Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk

[4sallypat]

@4sallypat

I’m ruminating here about the Lighting and had lots of discussion last night. Did you put a $100 deposit down, and if so; did they give you an expected delivery estimation? (I’ve read that some people are predicted 2023 already.)

I’m thinking this might be the alternative for the Rav 4 Prime I’ve been talking about. We’re looking at the XLT or Lariat, extended range.

@Relentless Power
Yes, put the $100 reservation deposit on the day it launched.
With about 50-60% of reservations expected to convert into orders, I should be in line for the Lightning in 2022.

My Ford dealer where they are holding my $100 says I am in the top 10 list of customers who are allocated to purchase so it all depends on when we can place our order online (rumors say late this month or December).

Finding a Ford dealer that will not charge above MSRP (ADM) is tough - I had to pass 8 Ford dealers into the next county over to find one that will only charge MSRP.

My main reason: HOV Carpool exemption sticker to drive solo in a carpool lane for my daily commute.

Haven't decided on the base Pro or XLT trim....

 

[davegoody]

I am SOOOOO ready to get an EV.
And while I looked at others, it is very hard to beat a Tesla.
Just the "gimmicks" alone are a attractive (and I am not a gimmick guy).
It is so UN-like a car.

I am not going in blind, Engineering Explained has great critical videos on his experience with EV's.
He does a good job of a neutral review of the basic, and is critical of somethings, but so far not enough salt to discount a Tesla.

In past I was considering a Leaf and a Volt (and other plug-in). Ironically Prius Plugin is not on lots in Texas, dealer does not say why.
And I do not go to country like I used to, so almost all in a (very big) city.

What you fine folks think?

I got a Tesla Model X a few months ago. Hand's-down the best car I have ever owned. Superb.

 

[Techwatcher]

I got a Tesla Model X a few months ago. Hand's-down the best car I have ever owned. Superb.

That's awesome! I test drove one. What an experience.

I sold my BMW X4 during the height of the pandemic since I was permanently working from home, but now since I'm going back to the office more often now I need a car again. Currently considering a Tesla Model Y.

 

[44267547]

@Relentless Power
Yes, put the $100 reservation deposit on the day it launched.
With about 50-60% of reservations expected to convert into orders, I should be in line for the Lightning in 2022.

My Ford dealer where they are holding my $100 says I am in the top 10 list of customers who are allocated to purchase so it all depends on when we can place our order online (rumors say late this month or December).

Finding a Ford dealer that will not charge above MSRP (ADM) is tough - I had to pass 8 Ford dealers into the next county over to find one that will only charge MSRP.

My main reason: HOV Carpool exemption sticker to drive solo in a carpool lane for my daily commute.

Haven't decided on the base Pro or XLT trim....

I think that’s advantage to living in the Midwest, there is no ADM here, as you probably can guess for many reasons, considering California is an entirely different situation. And that’s partially because I think some of the dealers were concerned that the Cybertruck would be launching around the same time, and that was to keep the advantage to Ford.

However, now with the Cybertruck inevitably delayed (With some consumers probably won’t receive theirs until late 2023), Ford has the advantage to recruit more consumers, I imagine they probably have better control over supply chain and manufacturing than Tesla does.

I think what I’m going to do, is just put down $100 deposit and see where I fall in line, because the Cybertruck is still on my priority list, and it might be you ‘whoever comes first’ in terms of availability that I will go with.

In my opinion, I do think Ford is going to have the better quality control over Tesla. By the way, there’s a really good manufacturing video on YouTube that shows the lightning being built in Michigan. Pretty fascinating stuff to watch.

 

[4sallypat]

I think that’s advantage to living in the Midwest, there is no ADM here, as you probably can guess for many reasons, considering California is an entirely different situation. And that’s partially because I think some of the dealers were concerned that the Cybertruck would be launching around the same time, and that was to keep the advantage to Ford.

However, now with the Cybertruck inevitably delayed (With some consumers probably won’t receive theirs until late 2023), Ford has the advantage to recruit more consumers, I imagine they probably have better control over supply chain and manufacturing than Tesla does.

I think what I’m going to do, is just put down $100 deposit and see where I fall in line, because the Cybertruck is still on my priority list, and it might be you ‘whoever comes first’ in terms of availability that I will go with.

In my opinion, I do think Ford is going to have the better quality control over Tesla. By the way, there’s a really good manufacturing video on YouTube that shows the lightning being built in Michigan. Pretty fascinating stuff to watch.

Yes, must be nice where you don't have dealers gouging to make a buck.

I remember my favorite dealer in the midwest is Long McArthur in Salina, KS - they went out of their way to try and get me a Roush modified Ford F150 5L a few years ago when I saw them here locally. Pricing with this KS dealer was insane - I don't know how they stay in business but they are one of the largest.

They do weekly YT livestreams and I watched their Lightning Q&A where they answered my question:
Long McArthur Ford Lightning livestream

 

[pshufd]

I don't get the point of a $100 deposit unless they're collecting a ton of them from people they know can't really afford them.

 

[4sallypat]

I don't get the point of a $100 deposit unless they're collecting a ton of them from people they know can't really afford them.

$100 deposit is just to be placed in line with Ford's online ordering bank.
Totally refundable from the dealer.

Current North American estimates are over 160,000 deposits have been taken, not including fleet (commercial) sales.

If everyone who placed a deposit turns it into an actual order, it will take Ford about 3 years to fill the orders.

Past history (Mustang Mach E & Bronco) shows about 50-60% of actual reservations converting to actual orders.

I am 64,xxx on the waitlist and have a good shot at getting the 2022 first year model Lightning EV.

Order banks are supposed to open around December in waves, determined by when your reservation was made.

 

[Varking]

Current rate should have me with a Tesla in roughly just under two years. Really looking forward to moving onto an electric car. My gas Chevy will go to my daughter.

 

[44267547]

$100 deposit is just to be placed in line with Ford's online ordering bank.
Totally refundable from the dealer.

Current North American estimates are over 160,000 deposits have been taken, not including fleet (commercial) sales.

If everyone who placed a deposit turns it into an actual order, it will take Ford about 3 years to fill the orders.

Past history (Mustang Mach E & Bronco) shows about 50-60% of actual reservations converting to actual orders.

I am 64,xxx on the waitlist and have a good shot at getting the 2022 first year model Lightning EV.

Order banks are supposed to open around December in waves, determined by when your reservation was made.

And reserved!

I’m [113,xxx,xxx] in place. XLT variant is the primary choice. It’ll be while, but that’s fine. Actually, I’d rather be later in the que, reason being for any early on issues noted with first production models can tweaked as manufacturing progresses. Couple of Ford enthusiasts were also recommending waiting to be later in the ordering system for that very reason. Can’t freakin wait for my first truck!

Edit:

The RAV4 Prime we ordered is now showing July 2022. So that’s a plus on the order shifting slightly ahead of schedule.

I’ll likely order the Cybertruck in addition, just depends what comes first.

 

[SactoGuy18]

I would consider a Tesla Model 3 or Y, but waiting nearly one year to get one is not my idea, though. 😒

 

[quagmire]

To add a datapoint, when my mom ordered her Model Y, it was an August ETD according to order page. Once the order was submitted, the next day the EDD was March and still is.

 

[44267547]

I would consider a Tesla Model 3 or Y, but waiting nearly one year to get one is not my idea, though. 😒

That’s with quite a few manufacturers right now. If you’re ordering a vehicle such as a hybrid, EV, even certain commercial trucks are showing a year estimation. This isn’t going to pan out anytime soon for the auto market. Custom ordering is now the new method -versus- ‘buying on the lot.’

I agree what Paul said earlier, if you’re going to consider ordering a vehicle, it would behoove you to order sooner than later, and you’ll likely be moved up as time progresses. Of course, that depends on the manufacturer, model, even regions make an impact depending on where you reside, etc.

 

[SalisburySam]

I would consider a Tesla Model 3 or Y, but waiting nearly one year to get one is not my idea, though. 😒

Understand. Perhaps used? Or one from inventory? For the latter, you almost have to go to a service center to see what if anything is available; there’s rarely anything online.

 

[AustinIllini]

To add a datapoint, when my mom ordered her Model Y, it was an August ETD according to order page. Once the order was submitted, the next day the EDD was March and still is.

They're trying to get people to buy the more expensive Models. Both the M3P and the Long Range Model 3 are December deliveries.

 

[SalisburySam]

They're trying to get people to buy the more expensive Models. Both the M3P and the Long Range Model 3 are December deliveries.

Sadly, the Model Y LR is out to next October delivery.

 

[quagmire]

Understand. Perhaps used? Or one from inventory? For the latter, you almost have to go to a service center to see what if anything is available; there’s rarely anything online.

I wouldn't go used for a Tesla. Not due to reliability/quality concerns, but they are a giant rip off. Especially if you do it directly from Tesla.

But even third party, used Tesla's are getting ridiculous. Carmax are selling them for prices higher than a new one!

With Tesla, there is no lot inventory. You have to have good timing when a vehicle hits existing inventory on your search on the site before someone buys it.

They're trying to get people to buy the more expensive Models. Both the M3P and the Long Range Model 3 are December deliveries.

No doubt there may be a bit of sales tactics going on. " Order now! Won't be able to get it until August!", order it, and boom gets here in March as my moms Model Y LR is projecting.

Sadly, the Model Y LR is out to next October delivery.

As stated above, not sure how accurate that will be. My mom ordered a Model Y LR in late October with the EDD being August before the order. Ordered the vehicle and day after, the EDD bumped up to March-April time frame. Tesla's EDD isn't the best, but it's something.

Another point is, wonder how many orders have "incomplete" profiles. Meaning they do not have things like delivery location selected, registration and payment information filled out. While it is a firm order, a bit of an unknown thing with Tesla is you get put in "higher" priority if you complete the profile. That is what I did when I submitted the order for my moms Y. I filled out registration and selected cash as payment. Once VIN is assigned, will have them switch it to financing.

 

[AustinIllini]

No doubt there may be a bit of sales tactics going on. " Order now! Won't be able to get it until August!", order it, and boom gets here in March as my moms Model Y LR is projecting.

That's definitely the uncharitable way of saying it (that was my first idea), however I do think you could say that they're putting the chips they can get in their most expensive cars to make more money.

 

[dsblack]

@4sallypat

I’m ruminating here about the Lighting and had lots of discussion last night. Did you put a $100 deposit down, and if so; did they give you an expected delivery estimation? (I’ve read that some people are predicted 2023 already.)

I’m thinking this might be the alternative for the Rav 4 Prime I’ve been talking about. We’re looking at the XLT or Lariat, extended range.

I put down a $100 deposit, and my wife put down a $100 deposit, at a different dealer. Not sure where we are on the wait list, but it was quite a few months ago. I'm looking to get the extended range version. I want to have that big battery available as a backup power source for my house, and I need something roomy and comfortable.

 

[44267547]

I put down a $100 deposit, and my wife put down a $100 deposit, at a different dealer. Not sure where we are on the wait list, but it was quite a few months ago. I'm looking to get the extended range version. I want to have that big battery available as a backup power source for my house, and I need something roomy and comfortable.

You don’t have to give me your exact number, but do you know where you are in terms of where you stand in the que? [Im in slot 113k….]From My understanding, dealers are supposed to be contacting buyers in waves starting in December for ordering, and manufacturing is slated late January.

I don’t need the 10,000 towing capacity (7,500 is more than enough for me), what I’m really looking for is the ride height, 4-wheel capability, external power outlets, but I want the acceleration. Sounds like Ford has the power output tweaked rather high for the Lightning, where there’s some videos showing some pretty insane 0 to 60 times. The interior shots look really good, and I think a lot of detail went into the design for the Lightning.

 

[4sallypat]

You don’t have to give me your exact number, but do you know where you are in terms of where you stand in the que? [Im in slot 113k….]From My understanding, dealers are supposed to be contacting buyers in waves starting in December for ordering, and manufacturing is slated late January.

I don’t need the 10,000 towing capacity (7,500 is more than enough for me), what I’m really looking for is the ride height, 4-wheel capability, external power outlets, but I want the acceleration. Sounds like Ford has the power output tweaked rather high for the Lightning, where there’s some videos showing some pretty insane 0 to 60 times. The interior shots look really good, and I think a lot of detail went into the design for the Lightning.

I am officially Ford Reservation ID Number: 10864xxx

They had pre-production models when I took a look at them 2 months ago and interior was very plush (Lariat) trim.

I am looking at the base Pro model with standard battery just to get the HOV Carpool solo sticker so that I can commute in the carpool daily.

Not interested in the higher trims as I have my BMW that has all the creature comforts.

Don't know if the new Federal tax credit / POS will be in place when I get mine but I will at least be counting on the old $7500 that is real at this point.

 

[Adarna]

Hybrid first then EV. I live in a poor country so charging stations has an average of one per city in NCR or one per region.

 

[dsblack]

You don’t have to give me your exact number, but do you know where you are in terms of where you stand in the que? [Im in slot 113k….]From My understanding, dealers are supposed to be contacting buyers in waves starting in December for ordering, and manufacturing is slated late January.

I don’t need the 10,000 towing capacity (7,500 is more than enough for me), what I’m really looking for is the ride height, 4-wheel capability, external power outlets, but I want the acceleration. Sounds like Ford has the power output tweaked rather high for the Lightning, where there’s some videos showing some pretty insane 0 to 60 times. The interior shots look really good, and I think a lot of detail went into the design for the Lightning.

Order number is 10,xxx,xxx, so is the wife's (we ordered the same day). Not sure how that translates to where I am on the wait list.

I don't need the towing capacity either, and I don't intend to haul much stuff. Not to worried about range either, I'm retired so don't have a daily commute. I really want the seating position, comfortable seats, and the roomy interior. Plus that big battery as a power source. I've had a few trucks, and I prefer them to sedans, especially as I get older. Ideally I'd like to have an electric version of the Ford Expedition.

 

[MBAir2010]

people will buy these cars
when the make electric car jumper cables!

 

[44267547]

I am officially Ford Reservation ID Number: 10864xxx

They had pre-production models when I took a look at them 2 months ago and interior was very plush (Lariat) trim.

I am looking at the base Pro model with standard battery just to get the HOV Carpool solo sticker so that I can commute in the carpool daily.

Not interested in the higher trims as I have my BMW that has all the creature comforts.

Don't know if the new Federal tax credit / POS will be in place when I get mine but I will at least be counting on the old $7500 that is real at this point.

Actually, I was at Fords tech show over the summer, if you recall, I posted a photo of the Ford Lightning. It’s one of those vehicles have been in the back of my mind, and you kind of have to see it where it really resonates with you or not.

And right, once you add in the tax credit, that brings down the MSRP if you think about what you’re really spending. So there’s that.

I was looking at a 21’ Nissan Titan about two weeks ago, and I was reading a review, one of the owners said that he spends $80 twice a week to completely fill up, which translates to $640 a month. I’m not even slightly interested in paying those prices with the instability of fuel, which is one of the key advantages I’m really looking for a truck, and then add the EV factor.

 

[44267547]

Order number is 10,xxx,xxx, so is the wife's (we ordered the same day). Not sure how that translates to where I am on the wait list.

I don't need the towing capacity either, and I don't intend to haul much stuff. Not to worried about range either, I'm retired so don't have a daily commute. I really want the seating position, comfortable seats, and the roomy interior. Plus that big battery as a power source. I've had a few trucks, and I prefer them to sedans, especially as I get older. Ideally I'd like to have an electric version of the Ford Expedition.

This will be my first truck (Which is surprising, because I live in a ‘snow state’). And I’m sure Ford will really bridge off the F150, and we will probably see like you said, an Expedition EV, and of course some type of high-performance Raptor EV seems highly likely at some point. Lots of potential on the roadmap, and I’m very excited to be part of this new transition, and especially in a Truck that couples the ‘fun factor’ and cost savings.