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Back to cars. Just sold my 2018 Model 3 mid-range with 100K miles on it. Only paid service:

12V batter replacement. Done at my house by Tesla mobile tech...$112 parts and labor.

No brakes. No fluid changes. No anything else besides tires, wiper blades, wiper fluid, and cabin air filters for 6 years and 100K miles. Most reliable and funest car I ever had, except for a 1973-1/2 Porsche 911 (Fun? Hell yes!..Reliable? Not so much).

What did I replace it with you ask? 2024 Model 3 long-range. After federal incentive and referral discount, $34,130 + tax and DMV.

20224 is better in every way so far. So many small but noticeable improvements. Hopeful to smile through the next 100K miles and beyond.
Enjoy. That’s a good price for it. We pay a lot more this side of the pond.
Happy motoring.
 
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Saw the Europe only Ford Explorer EV, which is actually a rebodied VW underneath.

Very sharp looking vehicle, and I wish it was sold in NA. I don't care for the iD4 styling, but Ford nailed it with the looks on this one IMHO.
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diamond.g

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GM EV's can use the SC network in the US now. Just need a $225 adapter.... Sadly GM didn't want to implement plug and charge...
 

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GM EV's can use the SC network in the US now. Just need a $225 adapter.... Sadly GM didn't want to implement plug and charge...

Is GM not providing the adapters like Rivian/Ford?

Sucks to be a GM owner and not have plug and charge. Are v3/4 non-magicdock chargers even setup for in Tesla app "charge your other vehicle"? I have so many questions...

EDIT: I'm seeing reports that you can use the Tesla app "Charge your other vehicle" for sessions.
 
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In Europe on the Tesla supercharger opened up for other car manufacturers, they just have a contactless panel for payment. Most EV’s don’t have a payment card connected with the car.

In Europe I see plenty of other cars charging on Superchargers. They can do it because most cars are using the same CCS2 standard as the Superchargers. They also charge on existing SCs without a contactless panel, because it's the Tesla app that they use to activate the stalls.
 

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And I agree - the prospect of buying ANY new vehicle isn't appealing to me. It's not just limited to an EV. But the thread topic is, "Who has or is planning to get an electric car". My answer is "not me". That answer would be the same if the question was "Who is planning to get ANY new car". I didn't claim that many of the reasons had to do with the power source of the vehicle.

People love to go out of their way to explain why they dont like or want something.

When the thread ask "who plans to get an electric car", the intent of that question is to signal and identify those people who do want one, to participate in the discussion. It is not meant as a survey of who doesn't want one.

When you gather friends over and ask "who wants a drink", the purpose is to know how many drinks to serve. People wouldnt answer "not me", because that's not a very useful answer.

This is very normal social convention, it is not something complex and sophisticated.
 

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Interesting. Makes sense from a weight perspective but I wonder if they are cherry picking video, TMYs don't seem to cross 4500lbs and they claim guardrails are rated at 5000lbs. The Ford Lightning is just a hair over 6000lbs.

Thoughts?
 

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People love to go out of their way to explain why they dont like or want something.

When the thread ask "who plans to get an electric car", the intent of that question is to signal and identify those people who do want one, to participate in the discussion. It is not meant as a survey of who doesn't want one.

When you gather friends over and ask "who wants a drink", the purpose is to know how many drinks to serve. People wouldnt answer "not me", because that's not a very useful answer.

This is very normal social convention, it is not something complex and sophisticated.

Well, to go a little further. One can say, "not me" and be part of the party. But if you go "not me" then spend all your energy saying how bad drinking is for you, you are going to have to expect some push back.
 
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In Europe I see plenty of other cars charging on Superchargers. They can do it because most cars are using the same CCS2 standard as the Superchargers. They also charge on existing SCs without a contactless panel, because it's the Tesla app that they use to activate the stalls.
I used a contactless panel the other day on a Tesla Supercharger.
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You can also pay via the Tesla app as well.
 
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Interesting. Makes sense from a weight perspective but I wonder if they are cherry picking video, TMYs don't seem to cross 4500lbs and they claim guardrails are rated at 5000lbs. The Ford Lightning is just a hair over 6000lbs.

Thoughts?
Isn't the most popular car in the USA the Ford F150 pickup truck? Base model is what 4,069lbs and fully specced version is 5696lbs...Case closed I'd say :p
 

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Well, to go a little further. One can say, "not me" and be part of the party. But if you go "not me" then spend all your energy saying how bad drinking is for you, you are going to have to expect some push back.
And typically don't get an invitation to come for drinks the next time :)
 
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Is GM not providing the adapters like Rivian/Ford?

Sucks to be a GM owner and not have plug and charge. Are v3/4 non-magicdock chargers even setup for in Tesla app "charge your other vehicle"? I have so many questions...

EDIT: I'm seeing reports that you can use the Tesla app "Charge your other vehicle" for sessions.
Not for free. Yeah I dunno why they chose to not implement plug and charge. You have to click on your account bubble and choose charge your other vehicle option.
I used a contactless panel the other day on a Tesla Supercharger. View attachment 2420651
You can also pay via the Tesla app as well.
Could you take a pic of the panel? I saw some V4 chargers on my way to Charlotte this past weekend, but they were fenced off so I couldn't get a good look.
 

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Not for free. Yeah I dunno why they chose to not implement plug and charge. You have to click on your account bubble and choose charge your other vehicle option.

Could you take a pic of the panel? I saw some V4 chargers on my way to Charlotte this past weekend, but they were fenced off so I couldn't get a good look.
Next time I'm there, sure. But it might be a while. I don't go that way very often.

It would just have looked like this though.
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Not for free. Yeah I dunno why they chose to not implement plug and charge. You have to click on your account bubble and choose charge your other vehicle option.

Could you take a pic of the panel? I saw some V4 chargers on my way to Charlotte this past weekend, but they were fenced off so I couldn't get a good look.

The main thing for plug and charge for me would be, I don't want to have an app for every charger company I use. Also, what if your cell phone has no signal? or you lost your phone (or battery died)?
 

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Next time I'm there, sure. But it might be a while. I don't go that way very often.

It would just have looked like this though. View attachment 2420698

There is no mandate here that requires our chargers to have payment incorporated like y'all do. So, we do have the QR code on them printed, not on a screen. We have to have a million apps for every possible charger manufacturer you may use.

I'm jealous of how things were implemented for you guys. I do like the NACS plug better than CCS2 though.
 

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The main thing for plug and charge for me would be, I don't want to have an app for every charger company I use. Also, what if your cell phone has no signal? or you lost your phone (or battery died)?
I prefer the way Tesla does it, but if you battery died on you iPhone, you can just charge it in your car no? Using apps is less common than it was back in the day. Most just have contactless payment now from your card or Apple Watch in my case.
 

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There is no mandate here that requires our chargers to have payment incorporated like y'all do. So, we do have the QR code on them printed, not on a screen. We have to have a million apps for every possible charger manufacturer you may use.

I'm jealous of how things were implemented for you guys. I do like the NACS plug better than CCS2 though.
Contactless payment has been common here for years (in shops not just at chargers). The US takes a bit of time to catch up on payment methods for what I can see. I don't really mind what plug they use. I'm just glad we all use the same over here without the need for adaptors etc. How it should have been implemented from the beginning worldwide.
 
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The main thing for plug and charge for me would be, I don't want to have an app for every charger company I use. Also, what if your cell phone has no signal? or you lost your phone (or battery died)?
RFI, Contactless, no need for the cell phone to have signal. Besides you've got a big battery underneath your bum, why run out of battery on the phone ;)
 

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There is no mandate here that requires our chargers to have payment incorporated like y'all do. So, we do have the QR code on them printed, not on a screen. We have to have a million apps for every possible charger manufacturer you may use.

I'm jealous of how things were implemented for you guys. I do like the NACS plug better than CCS2 though.
Sure, smaller plugs have like a size/weight advantage. But, I like 3 phase electricity at home and at destination chargers better. And even with DC there is a higher maximum speed. Both are still easily single-handedly operated, so I rather have a single cohesive system that is faster whithout having to introduce yet another connector.

And ofcourse V2X is already available using CCS2.
 

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I prefer the way Tesla does it, but if you battery died on you iPhone, you can just charge it in your car no? Using apps is less common than it was back in the day. Most just have contactless payment now from your card or Apple Watch in my case.

I like having my card on file with Tesla, I plug in and go on about my day. I like how Ford and Rivian now allows you to use SC the same way, the card is on file with Ford/Rivian, so no app needed, or card needed to RFID to. But now with GM gaining access to SC but you can't use your card on file with GM, you now have to setup a Tesla account as a GM owner.

When we use 3rd party charges, many of them require an app, there is no user interface (no card system) on the machine. So you have to have your phone to get an app, then create an account, and add funds. I still have a couple dollars on an account that I didn't use all up for a L2 charger.
 
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RFI, Contactless, no need for the cell phone to have signal. Besides you've got a big battery underneath your bum, why run out of battery on the phone ;)

Our chargers don't all take payments directly on them. I have yet to actually see one that does (they do exist). They all require you sign up for an app. So, you HAVE to have your phone. I can drive my car using my backup RFID card, but I can't charge outside of Tesla without a phone.

Not that I really NEED to charge outside of Tesla on a regular basis.
 

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I like having my card on file with Tesla, I plug in and go on about my day. I like how Ford and Rivian now allows you to use SC the same way, the card is on file with Ford/Rivian, so no app needed, or card needed to RFID to. But now with GM gaining access to SC but you can't use your card on file with GM, you now have to setup a Tesla account as a GM owner.

When we use 3rd party charges, many of them require an app, there is no user interface (no card system) on the machine. So you have to have your phone to get an app, then create an account, and add funds. I still have a couple dollars on an account that I didn't use all up for a L2 charger.
That's how it used to be here, but less so now.

What if you wanted to use a company card for some miles and a personal one for others? How does that work with Tesla? Is it easy to switch between two payment cards?
 

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Sure, smaller plugs have like a size/weight advantage. But, I like 3 phase electricity at home and at destination chargers better. And even with DC there is a higher maximum speed. Both are still easily single-handedly operated, so I rather have a single cohesive system that is faster whithout having to introduce yet another connector.

And ofcourse V2X is already available using CCS2.

Yup. I just like the plug better. I do agree 3 phase is nice.
 

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That's how it used to be here, but less so now.

What if you wanted to use a company card for some miles and a personal one for others? How does that work with Tesla? Is it easy to switch between two payment cards?

I'm not sure you can... I guess you could change the card on file, but I don't know how long the delay would be. But if I was going to have a business card, I would use a 3rd party charger and put that work card on file there.

But most people here with business milage, end up submitting miles and get reimbursed for mileage. Most people I know with company cards, also have a company car, so if it was a Tesla, you would use that card for the payment, and only drive the car for work.
 
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