Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk

[jz0309]

Waymo is the king but not with private vehicles. Those things are just too expensive and too ugly for most people.

I also think they have pre-programmed routes rather than just driving, but I could be wrong about that one. I haven’t done any research on them.

they are level 4, and yes, robotaxi only, can't buy it for your own vehicle. And they are currently only in San Francisco, Phoenix and LA

 

[russell_314]

This.

I have been in 2 somewhat recent car accidents. 9/15/22 and 5/24/23. Both instances I was rear ended by drivers not paying attention in stop and go traffic on my way home from work. My son was with me both times in rear facing car seats, he was fine both times (THANK GOD). I however had a herniated lumbar disc from the first, and a herniated cervical disc from the second both compressing the nerve. I had to have a Lumbar microdiscectomy from the first and 2 weeks ago a cervical disectomy and fusion to resolve issues from the second.

The first accident caused so much pain and discomfort with driving I had to sell my stick shift BMW because I could no longer drive stick in 2 hours of traffic on my way home. This is why I got my TM3 with FSD (to help with my commute). I eventually sold my other vehicles and got a TMY and gave the TM3 to my wife. I have to take my son out of his car seat everyday, it was just easier to have the TMY.

The amount of time I have been in doctor’s offices, physical therapy, and operating rooms, all because people where paying attention.

I’m sorry to hear that, but hopefully you will make a recovery. People don’t realize how dangerous it is operating a motor vehicle. I think if people took it seriously, it might be marginally acceptable but people drive their cars like they’re in this magic bubble. People think they’re safe until they’re not and then it’s too late. Even in some of the safest cars you’re not 100% safe.

I was watching a Chinese crash test video that included the Tesla Model 3. It was an offset crash at 35 mph into the back of a semi. That’s a bit slower than most people drive on neighborhood streets. Very slow and while in the Tesla and a few other cars, the passengers likely would’ve survived. It was a very violent crash. In several high end luxury vehicles, the passenger had zero chance of survival. I knew in my head if you crashed into the back of a semi at 70 mph, there wasn’t a chance of survival but at 35 mph? Realizing in a MB going only 35 mph, you would likely die in a crash even made me think about safety.

 

[russell_314]

It’s only an issue in the US. We don’t have FSD in the UK. Plans to introduce it next year apparently.

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I just noticed this post about FSD coming to the UK. So it can’t turn, change lanes, stop at red traffic lights or stop signs, go at green lights or stop signs….

Ummm… What exactly does it do? If I’m not mistaken this sounds like TACC with autosteer. Do Teslas sold in the UK come with basic autopilot for free? I believe this will do that.

 

[JT2002TJ]

I’m sorry to hear that, but hopefully you will make a recovery. People don’t realize how dangerous it is operating a motor vehicle. I think if people took it seriously, it might be marginally acceptable but people drive their cars like they’re in this magic bubble. People think they’re safe until they’re not and then it’s too late. Even in some of the safest cars you’re not 100% safe.

I was watching a Chinese crash test video that included the Tesla Model 3. It was an offset crash at 35 mph into the back of a semi. That’s a bit slower than most people drive on neighborhood streets. Very slow and while in the Tesla and a few other cars, the passengers likely would’ve survived. It was a very violent crash. In several high end luxury vehicles, the passenger had zero chance of survival. I knew in my head if you crashed into the back of a semi at 70 mph, there wasn’t a chance of survival but at 35 mph? Realizing in a MB going only 35 mph, you would likely die in a crash even made me think about safety.

Yup.

I got the TM3 because of the following reasons:

Crash Test Rating
Driver Assistance Systems (FSD and collision avoidance systems)
Minimal service (I used to do my oil changes, and general maintenance which all stopped with the accidents)
Acceleration (in Long Island the on ramps can be VERY VERY short, you have to get from 0 - 65 mph in almost no time)
Automation (the car manages almost everything for you)
Price (to get this level of tech/safety it typically requires a high end MB).

It has always been that you needed a MB to be safer. Safety should not only be for those with money…

 

[AustinIllini]

FSDs is NOT standard. You are talking about Autopilot, which hasn’t change in over a year. So clearly you do not have a Tesla with FSDs or you are unaware of what you have. So you are correct that Autopilot hasn’t gotten better. If you are using Autopilot on the city streets, you would also not be experiencing FSDs.

I have FSDs in 2 vehicles with hardware 3. While it is not perfect it IS and continues to greatly improve.

I use FSDs in the NYC, Long Island NY area on a daily basis.

I just used FSDs to drive me to the camera store 8 miles away in Long Island with a mix of Highway (Autopilot stack), local highways (FSDs) and city streets where it drove me to the parking lot. Once in the lot I took over and selected the spot for autopark to park. After I was finished, I used Actual Smart Summons (A.S.S) to have my TM3 meet me in front of the storefront so I could load the trunk. I then got in and selected my home in the GPS and it drove me to my driveway. All intervention free.

you misread. The levels are a standard. Autopilot is an option. My Model Y has HW4.

"I got lucky and didn't kill any pedestrians or other drivers so obviously this unproven, deliberately kneecapped technology is ready"

 

[AustinIllini]

I just noticed this post about FSD coming to the UK. So it can’t turn, change lanes, stop at red traffic lights or stop signs, go at green lights or stop signs….

Ummm… What exactly does it do? If I’m not mistaken this sounds like TACC with autosteer. Do Teslas sold in the UK come with basic autopilot for free? I believe this will do that.

Good to see the UK recognizes how poorly FSD navigates corners. It loves to drive in medians and up curbs.

This.

I have been in 2 somewhat recent car accidents. 9/15/22 and 5/24/23. Both instances I was rear ended by drivers not paying attention in stop and go traffic on my way home from work. My son was with me both times in rear facing car seats, he was fine both times (THANK GOD). I however had a herniated lumbar disc from the first, and a herniated cervical disc from the second both compressing the nerve. I had to have a Lumbar microdiscectomy from the first and 2 weeks ago a cervical disectomy and fusion to resolve issues from the second.

The first accident caused so much pain and discomfort with driving I had to sell my stick shift BMW because I could no longer drive stick in 2 hours of traffic on my way home. This is why I got my TM3 with FSD (to help with my commute). I eventually sold my other vehicles and got a TMY and gave the TM3 to my wife. I have to take my son out of his car seat everyday, it was just easier to have the TMY.

The amount of time I have been in doctor’s offices, physical therapy, and operating rooms, all because people where paying attention.

There's no evidence to suggest FSD makes you safer (in fact, your lack of attention likely makes you less safe), but if you feel more comfortable, good for you.

Glad you were okay in your accident, though.

 

[JT2002TJ]

you misread. The levels are a standard. Autopilot is an option. My Model Y has HW4.

"I got lucky and didn't kill any pedestrians or other drivers so obviously this unproven, deliberately kneecapped technology is ready"

I apologize.

I do not experience the same level of required interventions, even with HW3 in my TM3/TMY. I am on FSDs 12.5.4.2 OS 2024.33.5 on both.

 

[diamond.g]

you misread. The levels are a standard. Autopilot is an option. My Model Y has HW4.

"I got lucky and didn't kill any pedestrians or other drivers so obviously this unproven, deliberately kneecapped technology is ready"

AP is standard. FSD is an option.

 

[JT2002TJ]

AP is standard. FSD is an option.

x2.

Autopilot is standard, Enhanced Autopilot was an option, FSD is an option.

 

[AustinIllini]

Misspoke.

None of them work particularly well. My Model Y loves to brake when it gets near a bridge.

 

[JT2002TJ]

Misspoke.

None of them work particularly well. My Model Y loves to brake when it gets near a bridge.

I go over bridges/overpasses and under overpasses, all with or without construction zones in the NYC area without issues. The only time it will “phantom” brake is out an abundance of caution when other vehicles start swerving into my lane. You will see their vehicle turn red in the visualization when it happens. When this happens, I press the go pedal to maintain speed (which I am always covering for safety).

Now the way FSDs acts seems to be regional. I am not saying you are not experiencing what you are saying, just that it doesn’t happen to me where I drive.

 

[diamond.g]

Misspoke.

None of them work particularly well. My Model Y loves to brake when it gets near a bridge.

The AP stack hasn’t been updated since v10 (maybe a little later stopped tracking improvements when FSD started its split). Pretty sure if you had FSD you would be on 12.5.6.x and wouldn’t be having it stop by a bridge. (Depending on where you are you would be having other issues. Haha. )

 

[JT2002TJ]

The AP stack hasn’t been updated since v10 (maybe a little later stopped tracking improvements when FSD started its split). Pretty sure if you had FSD you would be on 12.5.6.x and wouldn’t be having it stop by a bridge. (Depending on where you are you would be having other issues. Haha. )

I think they did a few tweaks in v11, but you are correct, nothing major since v10. With FSDs software the visualization no longer changes when you enter the highway like it did pre-V11. I think there also where some improvements to address phantom braking, as I haven’t had any actual phantom braking since v11.

It’s hard to tell what changes apply to those without FSDs or EAP since I have FSDs.

 

[russell_314]

Good to see the UK recognizes how poorly FSD navigates corners. It loves to drive in medians and up curbs.

Maybe you’re doing that in your regular car while you’re texting and driving, but my Tesla has never driven up on a curb or a median. Also, it’s still supervised FSD so that’s why the steering wheel is there if it decides to do something crazy

There's no evidence to suggest FSD makes you safer (in fact, your lack of attention likely makes you less safe), but if you feel more comfortable, good for you.

Actually, there is.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/reports-confirm-self-driving-cars-safer-than-human-drivers-imagry