they are level 4, and yes, robotaxi only, can't buy it for your own vehicle. And they are currently only in San Francisco, Phoenix and LA
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I’m sorry to hear that, but hopefully you will make a recovery. People don’t realize how dangerous it is operating a motor vehicle. I think if people took it seriously, it might be marginally acceptable but people drive their cars like they’re in this magic bubble. People think they’re safe until they’re not and then it’s too late. Even in some of the safest cars you’re not 100% safe.
I was watching a Chinese crash test video that included the Tesla Model 3. It was an offset crash at 35 mph into the back of a semi. That’s a bit slower than most people drive on neighborhood streets. Very slow and while in the Tesla and a few other cars, the passengers likely would’ve survived. It was a very violent crash. In several high end luxury vehicles, the passenger had zero chance of survival. I knew in my head if you crashed into the back of a semi at 70 mph, there wasn’t a chance of survival but at 35 mph? Realizing in a MB going only 35 mph, you would likely die in a crash even made me think about safety.
I just noticed this post about FSD coming to the UK. So it can’t turn, change lanes, stop at red traffic lights or stop signs, go at green lights or stop signs….
Ummm… What exactly does it do? If I’m not mistaken this sounds like TACC with autosteer. Do Teslas sold in the UK come with basic autopilot for free? I believe this will do that.
Yup.
I got the TM3 because of the following reasons:
Crash Test Rating
Driver Assistance Systems (FSD and collision avoidance systems)
Minimal service (I used to do my oil changes, and general maintenance which all stopped with the accidents)
Acceleration (in Long Island the on ramps can be VERY VERY short, you have to get from 0 - 65 mph in almost no time)
Automation (the car manages almost everything for you)
Price (to get this level of tech/safety it typically requires a high end MB).
It has always been that you needed a MB to be safer. Safety should not only be for those with money…
you misread. The levels are a standard. Autopilot is an option. My Model Y has HW4.
"I got lucky and didn't kill any pedestrians or other drivers so obviously this unproven, deliberately kneecapped technology is ready"
Good to see the UK recognizes how poorly FSD navigates corners. It loves to drive in medians and up curbs.
There's no evidence to suggest FSD makes you safer (in fact, your lack of attention likely makes you less safe), but if you feel more comfortable, good for you.
Glad you were okay in your accident, though.
I apologize.
I do not experience the same level of required interventions, even with HW3 in my TM3/TMY. I am on FSDs 12.5.4.2 OS 2024.33.5 on both.
Misspoke.
None of them work particularly well. My Model Y loves to brake when it gets near a bridge.
None of them work particularly well. My Model Y loves to brake when it gets near a bridge.
I go over bridges/overpasses and under overpasses, all with or without construction zones in the NYC area without issues. The only time it will “phantom” brake is out an abundance of caution when other vehicles start swerving into my lane. You will see their vehicle turn red in the visualization when it happens. When this happens, I press the go pedal to maintain speed (which I am always covering for safety).
Now the way FSDs acts seems to be regional. I am not saying you are not experiencing what you are saying, just that it doesn’t happen to me where I drive.
The AP stack hasn’t been updated since v10 (maybe a little later stopped tracking improvements when FSD started its split). Pretty sure if you had FSD you would be on 12.5.6.x and wouldn’t be having it stop by a bridge. (Depending on where you are you would be having other issues. Haha. )
I think they did a few tweaks in v11, but you are correct, nothing major since v10. With FSDs software the visualization no longer changes when you enter the highway like it did pre-V11. I think there also where some improvements to address phantom braking, as I haven’t had any actual phantom braking since v11.
It’s hard to tell what changes apply to those without FSDs or EAP since I have FSDs.
Maybe you’re doing that in your regular car while you’re texting and driving, but my Tesla has never driven up on a curb or a median. Also, it’s still supervised FSD so that’s why the steering wheel is there if it decides to do something crazy
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One of the sources is Tesla, and the other warns that humans are better in most scenarios with visibility issues.
So if that's the best you can do, it's clear FSD is just not close to production.
So if that's the best you can do, it's clear FSD is just not close to production.
In other news, I dunno if this was posted here, but apparently the Taycan is the best road tripping EV in North America. The crazy charging curves just kill any competition
What is this iPhone issue you speak of? Over 100K miles since 2018 with iPhones...totally unaware of what is lacking or not working.
Driving with the free trial version now...and it is absolutely better than a couple years ago. Much, much better.
Two years ago I was very skeptical that it would ever get past level 2. Now...I think they have a real shot.
Not following...is that a UK thing? Regulatory requirements or limitations? Cuz FSD does all that now, at least here in CA. Very smoothly too.
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Yup. The USA doesn’t allow god headlights in the form that has been used around the world for decades, but it does allow FSD 🤷♂️🤣 But to be fair I do think the EU and UK need to get with the Programme.
Sorry to hear this. Last time I got rear ended there was only minor damage. The lady was driving a Tesla.
No idea tbh. I’ve never really looked into it as a Tesla would never be a car I would consider buying.
I believe a regulatory thing. Obviously the UK government has some reason for limiting the functionality. Safety most likely.