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Sorry to hear this. Last time I got rear ended there was only minor damage. The lady was driving a Tesla.
I got rear ended in May but only minor damage to my car, made an absolute mess of the VW Polo that hit me. He was not looking at the road and was too busy watching his speedometer to make sure he was doing 20 mph apparently and hadn’t realised the traffic had stopped lol. Apparently 20mph is a safer speed and reduces accidents, according to law makers in Wales.
 
I got rear ended in May but only minor damage to my car, made an absolute mess of the VW Polo that hit me. He was not looking at the road and was too busy watching his speedometer to make sure he was doing 20 mph apparently and hadn’t realised the traffic had stopped lol. Apparently 20mph is a safer speed and reduces accidents, according to law makers in Wales.
If a driver can't quickly see their speed *and* what's in front of them, it doesn't really matter what the speed limit is to their bad driving. At least at 20mph neither of you were killed or badly injured.

Well, apart from the VW Polo, but I'm dismissing its feelings on the matter. It was probably too busy faking the mpg values to know what's going on.
 
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I got rear ended in May but only minor damage to my car, made an absolute mess of the VW Polo that hit me. He was not looking at the road and was too busy watching his speedometer to make sure he was doing 20 mph apparently and hadn’t realised the traffic had stopped lol. Apparently 20mph is a safer speed and reduces accidents, according to law makers in Wales.
I thought the 20 mph was due tge most people in Wales still using a horse and cart? 😀
Glad you were both ok. My Golf would alert me if I needed to brake and hadn’t. Usually earlier than it needed to imo.
 
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If a driver can't quickly see their speed *and* what's in front of them, it doesn't really matter what the speed limit is to their bad driving. At least at 20mph neither of you were killed or badly injured.

Well, apart from the VW Polo, but I'm dismissing its feelings on the matter. It was probably too busy faking the mpg values to know what's going on.
The issue with the 20mph is it’s so abnormally slow to what drivers are used to doing, they tend to bunch up and are only a couple of metres off each others bumpers. There’s usually someone doing 15mph too so travelling in towns at the moment can be extremely frustrating. I must admit I’ve overtaken at times out of frustration and most of the time if I know there’s no cameras or police, I’ll do 30mph but most people do. It’s been an immensely unpopular measure here judging by the petition but it’s here to stay sadly.
 
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Not following...is that a UK thing? Regulatory requirements or limitations? Cuz FSD does all that now, at least here in CA. Very smoothly too.
I guess so because in Texas, it is also fully functional

No idea tbh. I’ve never really looked into it as a Tesla would never be a car I would consider buying.
I just noticed the screenshot you posted. Everyone has their preference on brand so that’s understandable. Tesla is not for everyone.


I believe a regulatory thing. Obviously the UK government has some reason for limiting the functionality. Safety most likely.
Some governments are more restrictive on what their citizens are allowed to do. Sometimes it is with the thought of protecting them. Just like you’ll see people here mention the Apple Watch afib feature or Airpods hearing protection not being available in their country. Usually these governments allow their citizens to have whatever it is after some further investigation. It just takes a little bit longer.
 
I guess so because in Texas, it is also fully functional


I just noticed the screenshot you posted. Everyone has their preference on brand so that’s understandable. Tesla is not for everyone.



Some governments are more restrictive on what their citizens are allowed to do. Sometimes it is with the thought of protecting them. Just like you’ll see people here mention the Apple Watch afib feature or Airpods hearing protection not being available in their country. Usually these governments allow their citizens to have whatever it is after some further investigation. It just takes a little bit longer.
Some things might take longer. Some things might never happen. For example the Cyber truck would not pass UK regulations as it needs more rounded corners etc for pedestrian protection. Plus it’s a bit big for our roads!
 
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The levels are the industry accepted definition of autonomous driving, if they don’t make sense to you, that’s fine.
Fact is what I stated above, whether or not you agree with that is up to you

Fact is Mercedes L3 cant work above 40mph, cant work outside of premapped areas, cant work with low traffic density, cant work outside of highway (lmao when do you drive below 40 on the highway), cant work in rain, cant work when theres construction, etc

Did you not know how incapable Mercedes is or did you just blindly buy into the bigger number?
 

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Some things might take longer. Some things might never happen. For example the Cyber truck would not pass UK regulations as it needs more rounded corners etc for pedestrian protection. Plus it’s a bit big for our roads!
I understand that. As someone from the USA I try to avoid being arrogant when it comes to what people do in other countries. I’ll let the people in the UK decide what’s good for people in the UK. I like the cybertruck on our roads, but it’s just not the vehicle for me to drive. Maybe if they made a slightly smaller version I’d consider it.


Fact is Mercedes L3 cant work above 40mph, cant work outside of premapped areas, cant work with low traffic density, cant work outside of highway (lmao when do you drive below 40 on the highway), cant work in rain, cant work when theres construction, etc

Did you not know how incapable Mercedes is or did you just blindly buy into the bigger number?
Sometimes people see something on TV and believe it without doing research. It’s kind of sad because when I was growing up, that was understandable because you didn’t have the Internet. Now you have the Internet so you can research anything and find out anything. It’s like this unlimited knowledge base. I totally agree, though. Tesla is miles ahead of anything else when it comes to self driving but other car manufacturers are catching up quickly. I’d say in five years it’s going to be much closer. If Tesla isn’t your brand of choice, just wait a few years and your favorite car brand will have some version of full self driving similar to what Tesla has
 
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In other news, I dunno if this was posted here, but apparently the Taycan is the best road tripping EV in North America. The crazy charging curves just kill any competition

Everytime they have a Tacan in the mix it ends up the fastest to charge for road trips. Your only concern is that you don't hit an inoperable charge station.
I understand that. As someone from the USA I try to avoid being arrogant when it comes to what people do in other countries. I’ll let the people in the UK decide what’s good for people in the UK. I like the cybertruck on our roads, but it’s just not the vehicle for me to drive. Maybe if they made a slightly smaller version I’d consider it.



Sometimes people see something on TV and believe it without doing research. It’s kind of sad because when I was growing up, that was understandable because you didn’t have the Internet. Now you have the Internet so you can research anything and find out anything. It’s like this unlimited knowledge base. I totally agree, though. Tesla is miles ahead of anything else when it comes to self driving but other car manufacturers are catching up quickly. I’d say in five years it’s going to be much closer. If Tesla isn’t your brand of choice, just wait a few years and your favorite car brand will have some version of full self driving similar to what Tesla has
I think GM was slated to be next with a system that can drive handsfree every where. It was supposed to be called Ultra Cruise but I think they scuttled that branding. No other maker is talking about having a direct FSD competitor (explicitly the city streets portion) for customer vehicles as far as I am aware.
 
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Everytime they have a Tacan in the mix it ends up the fastest to charge for road trips. Your only concern is that you don't hit an inoperable charge station.

I think GM was slated to be next with a system that can drive handsfree every where. It was supposed to be called Ultra Cruise but I think they scuttled that branding. No other maker is talking about having a direct FSD competitor (explicitly the city streets portion) for customer vehicles as far as I am aware.
Thing is if I could have partial self driving, it would definitely be for motorways rather than city driving. That’s where you need it the most imo.

With adaptive cruise control quite common, it’s only the lane changes and driving most manufacturers need to deal with.
 
Thing is if I could have partial self driving, it would definitely be for motorways rather than city driving. That’s where you need it the most imo.

With adaptive cruise control quite common, it’s only the lane changes and driving most manufacturers need to deal with.
At this stage of the game I don't get why no one else offers auto lane changes and auto interchange taking. I can understand the hesitance to auto take exits though (at least where you guys are).
 
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Everytime they have a Tacan in the mix it ends up the fastest to charge for road trips. Your only concern is that you don't hit an inoperable charge station.
Yeah, I wouldn’t want to be unable to access the Tesla charging network just to theoretically be able to use a charger that may or may not work or even be there at all. Maybe if you know the routes you travel have the specific chargers. I’ll take reliability over some speed upgrade any day of the week. In about five years, maybe things will be different though.

I think GM was slated to be next with a system that can drive handsfree every where. It was supposed to be called Ultra Cruise but I think they scuttled that branding. No other maker is talking about having a direct FSD competitor (explicitly the city streets portion) for customer vehicles as far as I am aware.
I bet every automaker is secretly working on this. It’s going to be nice if GM is successful because they have quite a few vehicles that are popular in the USA.


Thing is if I could have partial self driving, it would definitely be for motorways rather than city driving. That’s where you need it the most imo.

With adaptive cruise control quite common, it’s only the lane changes and driving most manufacturers need to deal with.
I think that’s a start because it’s easier just to make a system to keep distance and maintain lane. I don’t think that’s a solution though. I really think car manufacturers that don’t work on this are going to be like blackberry.

For me more than half of my driving is on city roads and that’s the most involved and stressful part of the drive. Stopping at traffic lights, watching people pull out of driveways in front of me, etc. On the highway if I want to avoid people who can’t merge, I get into the second lane and go.

I used to really get annoyed by driving because some people either can’t drive or drive very aggressively. Now when my car is driving I don’t stress about it. Yeah I know that’s a psychological thing, but it annoys me less because I’m not the one dealing with them. One day cars will be fully autonomous so when one wants to change lanes, it will signal the other car and the appropriate merge will happen. Humans are capable of this, but some get emotional and feel the portion of road they’re on belongs to them. Anyone who gets near that section of road is trespassing on their property. Just watch enough dash cam videos and you’ll see people intentionally crashing into other cars because they had “the right of way”
 
At this stage of the game I don't get why no one else offers auto lane changes and auto interchange taking. I can understand the hesitance to auto take exits though (at least where you guys are).
Auto lane changes just don’t work with our driving style unless it’s 4am or something like that. It simply can’t keep up with the pace of the traffic. Even if they would, then it’s not legal as you need to be in control of the vehicle at all times. The US never signed up to the UN Vienna convention on road traffic. But the ROW did and now we have incompatible laws.
 
Auto lane changes just don’t work with our driving style unless it’s 4am or something like that. It simply can’t keep up with the pace of the traffic. Even if they would, then it’s not legal as you need to be in control of the vehicle at all times. The US never signed up to the UN Vienna convention on road traffic. But the ROW did and now we have incompatible laws.
What do you mean by it doesn't work for your driving style?
 
Yeah, I wouldn’t want to be unable to access the Tesla charging network just to theoretically be able to use a charger that may or may not work or even be there at all. Maybe if you know the routes you travel have the specific chargers. I’ll take reliability over some speed upgrade any day of the week. In about five years, maybe things will be different though.


I bet every automaker is secretly working on this. It’s going to be nice if GM is successful because they have quite a few vehicles that are popular in the USA.



I think that’s a start because it’s easier just to make a system to keep distance and maintain lane. I don’t think that’s a solution though. I really think car manufacturers that don’t work on this are going to be like blackberry.

For me more than half of my driving is on city roads and that’s the most involved and stressful part of the drive. Stopping at traffic lights, watching people pull out of driveways in front of me, etc. On the highway if I want to avoid people who can’t merge, I get into the second lane and go.

I used to really get annoyed by driving because some people either can’t drive or drive very aggressively. Now when my car is driving I don’t stress about it. Yeah I know that’s a psychological thing, but it annoys me less because I’m not the one dealing with them. One day cars will be fully autonomous so when one wants to change lanes, it will signal the other car and the appropriate merge will happen. Humans are capable of this, but some get emotional and feel the portion of road they’re on belongs to them. Anyone who gets near that section of road is trespassing on their property. Just watch enough dash cam videos and you’ll see people intentionally crashing into other cars because they had “the right of way”
I very rarely drive on City roads. I live in the countryside. My commute to work is through country lanes and then some dual carriageways before I get to the motorway. My office is less than 2 miles from the motorway and even though it’s in the second biggest city in the UK, is bizarrely also down country lanes.

I don’t drive much apart from my two trips to the office every week.
 
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I very rarely drive on City roads. I live in the countryside. My commute to work is through country lanes and then some dual carriageways before I get to the motorway. My office is less than 2 miles from the motorway and even though it’s in the second biggest city in the UK, is bizarrely also down country lanes.

I don’t drive much apart from my two trips to the office every week.
You got lucky. I don’t have to deal with big city traffic, but there are a few city roads I have to deal with. Maybe one day we’ll all be able to jump into a cybercab or waymo and it will take us to our jobs. I like having a car but for going to work I would take public transportation if it was available. Perhaps UK drivers are a bit more polite than drivers in the USA though.
 
You got lucky. I don’t have to deal with big city traffic, but there are a few city roads I have to deal with. Maybe one day we’ll all be able to jump into a cybercab or waymo and it will take us to our jobs. I like having a car but for going to work I would take public transportation if it was available. Perhaps UK drivers are a bit more polite than drivers in the USA though.
They aren’t! Had a guy punch me in the face due to his road rage one morning.

Personally I think the biggest change we will see in the next 5-10 years will be more working from home. Obviously doesn’t work for every profession, but your luck if 4-5 turn up in our office every day. Not sure why the boss hasn’t ditched the office or at least moved somewhere smaller.
 
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They aren’t! Had a guy punch me in the face due to his road rage one morning.
Wow, that’s crazy! I’ve always said if someone starts approaching my car on foot they better not get in front of my car. I’m getting away from the situation.

Personally I think the biggest change we will see in the next 5-10 years will be more working from home. Obviously doesn’t work for every profession, but your luck if 4-5 turn up in our office every day. Not sure why the boss hasn’t ditched the office or at least moved somewhere smaller.
Maybe in the UK but I don’t think that’s going to happen in the US. Many US companies to include Apple have called back their work from home employees. Employers don’t like the fact that they can’t directly supervise their employees. I think some people were doing other things on the clock rather than work. Usually it’s a small percentage of people that ruin it for everyone.
 
Wow, that’s crazy! I’ve always said if someone starts approaching my car on foot they better not get in front of my car. I’m getting away from the situation.


Maybe in the UK but I don’t think that’s going to happen in the US. Many US companies to include Apple have called back their work from home employees. Employers don’t like the fact that they can’t directly supervise their employees. I think some people were doing other things on the clock rather than work. Usually it’s a small percentage of people that ruin it for everyone.
I was boxed in. Two guys got out of the van in front. I had nowhere to go.

I agree the bosses would prefer the staff in. But truth is you can be sat in an office not working just as easily as you can be at home. Better ways to monitor what’s going on than watching them from the same office.
My least productive days are the ones in the office. That’s not an opinion. It’s a fact.
But from a car point of view, the less cars on the road (regardless of fuel type or self driving) is better for us all.
 
I was boxed in. Two guys got out of the van in front. I had nowhere to go.
That’s crazy! Where I live people stay inside their cars to road rage. They usually driving aggressively or brake check rather than physically getting out and attacking. There’s one difference I can’t mention in the forms, but that’s why I think it’s not as common here. Even when I was mild road rage person I would never get out of my car. My extent of road rage was yelling out the window or maybe giving someone the finger. Looking back I think I was silly for doing it. I’m older and calmer now.

I agree the bosses would prefer the staff in. But truth is you can be sat in an office not working just as easily as you can be at home. Better ways to monitor what’s going on than watching them from the same office.
My least productive days are the ones in the office. That’s not an opinion. It’s a fact.
I totally agree. If you can establish a proper home office, are able to make your family understand when you’re at work, and get employees that are committed to their jobs it’s the better solution. if you have employees that are scrolling on TikTok or chatting with their girlfriends when they’re supposed to be doing work, then it’s not good. I think it might require more mature employees but I’m not sure of the answer there.

But from a car point of view, the less cars on the road (regardless of fuel type or self driving) is better for us all.
Absolutely. I think the absolute ideal situation would be employees that live within a few miles from their job and infrastructure existed to allow those employees to either ride a bicycle or walk. This would promote exercise and be environmentally friendly. Then just have accommodations for employees with disabilities that can’t walk or ride a bike. Some countries have this housing and transportation infrastructure setup, but not in the USA. In the USA we spray paint a white line on the road and call it a bicycle lane 😂
 
That’s crazy! Where I live people stay inside their cars to road rage. They usually driving aggressively or brake check rather than physically getting out and attacking. There’s one difference I can’t mention in the forms, but that’s why I think it’s not as common here. Even when I was mild road rage person I would never get out of my car. My extent of road rage was yelling out the window or maybe giving someone the finger. Looking back I think I was silly for doing it. I’m older and calmer now.


I totally agree. If you can establish a proper home office, are able to make your family understand when you’re at work, and get employees that are committed to their jobs it’s the better solution. if you have employees that are scrolling on TikTok or chatting with their girlfriends when they’re supposed to be doing work, then it’s not good. I think it might require more mature employees but I’m not sure of the answer there.


Absolutely. I think the absolute ideal situation would be employees that live within a few miles from their job and infrastructure existed to allow those employees to either ride a bicycle or walk. This would promote exercise and be environmentally friendly. Then just have accommodations for employees with disabilities that can’t walk or ride a bike. Some countries have this housing and transportation infrastructure setup, but not in the USA. In the USA we spray paint a white line on the road and call it a bicycle lane 😂
Cycling isn’t an option for me as it’s around 35 miles to the office. That’s on the motorway. Probably longer on the backroads.
We have one guy who cycles in. Several who get the bus. But plenty who live less than 5 miles and drive petrol cars in the office. Of course an electric car would suit them perfectly. If I lived that close I’d probably get an e-bike.
 
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Cycling isn’t an option for me as it’s around 35 miles to the office. That’s on the motorway. Probably longer on the backroads.
We have one guy who cycles in. Several who get the bus. But plenty who live less than 5 miles and drive petrol cars in the office. Of course an electric car would suit them perfectly. If I lived that close I’d probably get an e-bike.
More than 10 miles is not practical for cycling. That’s why I said it would be ideal if people lived closer. You could likely cycle 3 miles without getting too sweaty unless it was 100°F out. Then just drive because it’s too hot 😂

Right now I live about 15 miles from my work so too far to cycle IMO. Even when I lived about 2 miles away I drove my car because there’s no cycling infrastructure. I tried cycling, but after getting hit twice with only very minor injuries I decided not to push my luck. We have a painted bicycle lane but it’s just a stripe so cars commonly drive in it. It’s illegal to ride on the sidewalk where I live. You can still do it without hassle from the police because they know how dangerous cycling is. Even on the sidewalk you have to be careful because drivers don’t pay attention when they’re turning into businesses.
 
More than 10 miles is not practical for cycling. That’s why I said it would be ideal if people lived closer. You could likely cycle 3 miles without getting too sweaty unless it was 100°F out. Then just drive because it’s too hot 😂

Right now I live about 15 miles from my work so too far to cycle IMO. Even when I lived about 2 miles away I drove my car because there’s no cycling infrastructure. I tried cycling, but after getting hit twice with only very minor injuries I decided not to push my luck. We have a painted bicycle lane but it’s just a stripe so cars commonly drive in it. It’s illegal to ride on the sidewalk where I live. You can still do it without hassle from the police because they know how dangerous cycling is. Even on the sidewalk you have to be careful because drivers don’t pay attention when they’re turning into businesses.
I cycled to work in my youth. But too old to do that now. And the thought of living closer to the city is my idea of hell. We moved to the countryside nearly 5 years ago. My next move will be into a box!

Couldn’t you have walked the 2 miles? Hardly seems worth a car ride.
 
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I cycled to work in my youth. But too old to do that now. And the thought of living closer to the city is my idea of hell. We moved to the countryside nearly 5 years ago. My next move will be into a box!

Couldn’t you have walked the 2 miles? Hardly seems worth a car ride.
I could walk but just have to leave a few minutes early. I probably should have
 
What do you mean by it doesn't work for your driving style?
People over here switch lanes a lot. They really return from the overtaking lane. And do it pretty tight after passing a car. So similar as with automatic cruise control when you leave the (safe) gap it will be filled, the car ends up braking to maintain its distance.

Once every car has a system like that, and enabled, and it’s the same system. Then it will work.
 
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