I said "EV owners" not general public with no EV experience. EV owners here are not the same as what you see/hear about in the news. What you see hear/see are articles designed to say EV bad, ICE good...
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I said "EV owners" not general public with no EV experience. EV owners here are not the same as what you see/hear about in the news. What you see hear/see are articles designed to say EV bad, ICE good...
Not too important for you then.
I have to charge every day. I use 40% of my battery per day (LR TMY). My wife uses typically 15%-20%. If I don't charge her vehicle every day, it would take 2x as long to charge on those days I charge. This risks not completing her charge before I need to go to bed on those nights.
It is more important for the winter months, with preconditioning. My wife's TM3 was pre-heat pump, my TMY has a heat pump.
No heat pump here either. But it doesn’t bother me too much. Charging is nearly all done at work. I’m there for more than enough hours to get it back to 100%.
We have a long way until the average household has 1 EV, and even longer until the average has 2 EVs. But at some point it will become something of an issue. I'm sure there will be more 2 cable connectors out by then.
But for me, I want to spend the least amount of charging when it comes to her vehicle, mine, I don't care about since it will have a minimum of 8 hrs for charging. My next house I hope to have a 2.5 car garage, and I will be sure to setup 2 Tesla wall connectors splitting 60 amps (for the max possible rate).
Indeed. Although 1 in 4 new cars sold in the UK is an EV apparently. Getting there.
It would be maximum of 32A aka 7kWh at a typical single phase installation. Two would be double that. Having a 100A main fuse is pretty normal. That leaves near 40kWh for the tennis court lights and swimming pool heating 😎🤣
Typically no problem for any home that has the space to charge two cars at the same time.
I’m just speccing up the system for the home we are building in a city in the Netherlands. Together with battery storage and solar power, ground source heating/cooling, and also air source. And dual charging. The property is on the heritage list so the local government and national government get a lot of input but they quite like what we are doing, and have been very helpful regarding restoring leaded glass windows to more sustainable versions. Weirdly the grid connection is three phase (like a commercial property, but I’m not complain about that 🤣).
I charge at on a single phase 220v 50 Amp circuit, so I get around 9 kWh. I could easily split that, or I could have done 220v on a 60 Amp circuit (11 kWh), but I set it up when I was a 1 EV household and have since gone all EV. The additional cost now, just isn't worth it. But if my wife used 30%+ daily, I would have to, or I would have to go to bed later, which I don't want to do.
Most houses here do not have the space/ratings for 2 x L2 at MAX charging (60 Amp Circuits x2) which would be 11 kWh each.
Unfortunately, having a tennis court & swimming pool is not something I have to worry about. I'm not in that tax bracket...
Exactly most people don’t have that, so my point being there is plenty of overhead for most people. Even with old fashioned airconditioning, and heat pumps etc.
Yep have the AWD model. Tested it while driving a few minutes ago and it sounds fine, or as fine as AM radio can sound.
EV's are definitely not as reliable as petrol or diesel cars (yet), although there are obvious benefits, the disadvantages outweigh this presently. Therefore from experience I'd advise anyone considering an EV to think twice.
My first car of my own was a handy down from my aunt in 2014, where I was kindly given a high mileage 2004 BMW 318i. I used it for four years, commonly commuting long distances (N.Ireland to Dublin), typical maintenance as expected where things like the timing belt, new springs, oil changes, brake pads, etc; and the A/C never worked that well, however nothing major ever failed. I changed in 2018 after the car was 14 years old with 252,000 miles on the clock. Just to emphasise a 14-year-old petrol car with 252,000 miles, never broke down once.
In 2018, as at this time I was assisting with my family farm after uni, I purchased a Ford Ranger Wildtrak, which I still own to this day in N.Ireland. Touch wood nothing has ever failed, standard services have covered all required maintenance with 76,000 miles on the clock.
Primary based in London now working in tech, yet traveling around a lot with work, with ULEZ and business incentives, I'm leasing an electric car, Mercedes EQB, where my lease started with a new car in February 2024. Since my lease started 10 months ago, I have driven 11,000 miles, surprisingly I have broken down twice, once with an overheating issue and the second time with a braking issue, where my brake become soft and unusable. Outside of this I have brought my car back to the dealership two additional times (where it has been drivable), due to a "battery conditioning" fault and software based issues, where I have lost most instruments & car monitoring. In addition I am concerned regarding battery degradation, where when new I could get roughly 280 miles on a charge, now I'm struggling to get 200 miles, 10 months later, yet battery capacity reports it has hardly changed reported by the system. Mercedes reports the car is fine and multiple factors maybe at play here, such as, season of year and driving style; therefore warranty will not cover my lost 80 miles of range and rapidly decreasing.
I love the concept of electric car, especially the drive with the instant torque. The range is more than I'll need any single day and charging overnight at home is easy. However, just the reliability issues, battery capacity and for anyone purchasing, rather than leasing, as of the expense of replacing your battery after a few of years, your car will lose an awful lot of value.
Just a heads up to anyone thinking about going electric, with the title of this thread "Who has or is planning to get an electric car".
My first car of my own was a handy down from my aunt in 2014, where I was kindly given a high mileage 2004 BMW 318i. I used it for four years, commonly commuting long distances (N.Ireland to Dublin), typical maintenance as expected where things like the timing belt, new springs, oil changes, brake pads, etc; and the A/C never worked that well, however nothing major ever failed. I changed in 2018 after the car was 14 years old with 252,000 miles on the clock. Just to emphasise a 14-year-old petrol car with 252,000 miles, never broke down once.
In 2018, as at this time I was assisting with my family farm after uni, I purchased a Ford Ranger Wildtrak, which I still own to this day in N.Ireland. Touch wood nothing has ever failed, standard services have covered all required maintenance with 76,000 miles on the clock.
Primary based in London now working in tech, yet traveling around a lot with work, with ULEZ and business incentives, I'm leasing an electric car, Mercedes EQB, where my lease started with a new car in February 2024. Since my lease started 10 months ago, I have driven 11,000 miles, surprisingly I have broken down twice, once with an overheating issue and the second time with a braking issue, where my brake become soft and unusable. Outside of this I have brought my car back to the dealership two additional times (where it has been drivable), due to a "battery conditioning" fault and software based issues, where I have lost most instruments & car monitoring. In addition I am concerned regarding battery degradation, where when new I could get roughly 280 miles on a charge, now I'm struggling to get 200 miles, 10 months later, yet battery capacity reports it has hardly changed reported by the system. Mercedes reports the car is fine and multiple factors maybe at play here, such as, season of year and driving style; therefore warranty will not cover my lost 80 miles of range and rapidly decreasing.
I love the concept of electric car, especially the drive with the instant torque. The range is more than I'll need any single day and charging overnight at home is easy. However, just the reliability issues, battery capacity and for anyone purchasing, rather than leasing, as of the expense of replacing your battery after a few of years, your car will lose an awful lot of value.
Just a heads up to anyone thinking about going electric, with the title of this thread "Who has or is planning to get an electric car".
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Or, maybe just like an ICE, you got a defective vehicle. My 2 EVs have been flawless, and they were both off lease. No way I’ll go back…
My best friends parents got a Q7 that had to have the engine replaced within the first 10k miles. Then over the next 3 years had many many electrical problems. Maybe ICE isn’t just ready yet…
Gasoline car will always have their problems, I completely agree, however I believe EV's tend to experience shorter lifespans and more problems on average as of just the basic principles and volatility of batteries in general. Losing range as they ages, battery events which can occur, degraded within 100,000 miles typically, charging outside of recommended ranges 20%-80% can severely impact battery health. Incredibly expensive to replace batteries, usually more than the vehicle is valued at, resulting in beyond economical to service and a massive impacting vehicle value.
EV's lease, don't buy!!
EV's lease, don't buy!!
Do you have any studies that show this? Or experience with several EVs with 100k+ miles on them? Or are you just speculating?
There are significantly less parts that can go wrong with most EVs. Over my 30 years of owning ICE, I can’t tell you how many sensors I’ve had to change. I’ve written off two vehicles because of slipping transmissions, I’ve had stopped up heater cores that require the entire dash disassembly (12 hour job), failed turbos, failed fuel pumps, head gaskets, valve cover gaskets, sticky lifters. The list of problems are endless.
If every 100k I have to have the battery replaced (which is not the case with modern EVs) I’ll still come out ahead…
Dude, you've only been driving for 10 years in your car. And you think you can make unfounded sweeping statements like that with your experience? You've got a car that has some issues. Tough, it happens. One of our cars has been in the workshop for 3 weeks now waiting to be looked at, just what cars can do. There is no empirical evidence for what you are proclaiming. None of the points you are making have any foundation.
Not sure where you get your “information” from, but generally not true, plenty RVs out there with way more than 100k miles, and there are also ICE cars out there with way more than 100k miles.
I’m on my 2nd EV absolutely trouble free.
Batteries like engines can have issues. Recurrent has done an extensive study on EV batteries. You can search their website for more information.
My only real maintenance on a year of ownership has been on cabin filters for $45.
I had an alignment due to potholes, 2 tires replaced due to road debris such as nails. And loss of my car for a month due to being side swiped at 65 mph. Stuff that can happen to any vehicle.
So I reject the premise that in general evs are less reliable than ice vehicles. I agree like ICE vehicles a bad ev apple can surface. And like ice vehicles there are documented stories of evs lasting more than 250,000 miles.
On a side note downloaded the holiday update tonight.
I think your experience is not typical. Plenty of new ICE cars have issues requiring a return to the dealership.
When you mention battery degradation you are taking into account the weather? It’s winter now. Your range will drop in colder weather (I’m also in the UK). Couple of things you can do to help with this.
Preheat the car and battery.
Use the sheared seats to warm yourself not the blowers.
This will help with winter driving. What won’t is the cold and wet roads. If you are still seeing that sort of reduced capacity (which is a lot more than I do) then the battery is under an 8 year warranty. Get it checked and if faulty replaced. Won’t cost you a penny.
I suspect adjusting your driving habits will help a lot.
It seems like folks that do not have FSD are getting the update now(ish). Folks with FSD are having to wait.
For those Teslarians, the holiday update is pretty good. Some good features. The Sirius xm app is very good and comes with a 30 day free trial no signup.
I couldn’t find a toggle for cross traffic. So I assume it’s always on.
Not that there is any reason to turn it off…
But this should quite down another subset of Tesla haters that were complaining that Teslas lacked cross traffic alerts. It really is nice that a car I bought 2 years ago has consistently improved. Every other vehicle I’ve owned, I’ve had to live with issues/lack of features.