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But this should quite down another subset of Tesla haters that were complaining that Teslas lacked cross traffic alerts. It really is nice that a car I bought 2 years ago has consistently improved. Every other vehicle I’ve owned, I’ve had to live with issues/lack of features.
Well, it’s true that they keep on iterating the same old model with new features. Other manufacturers just bring a new model out. And it’s great that if they don’t need the sensors they can write the software to do it. But on the other hand others would have enjoyed that for the last decade and switched their car two times already 🤣

Me, if the car doesn’t have the features in the first place I wouldn’t buy it 🤷‍♂️☝️
 
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Well, it’s true that they keep on iterating the same old model with new features. Other manufacturers just bring a new model out. And it’s great that if they don’t need the sensors they can write the software to do it. But on the other hand others would have enjoyed that for the last decade and switched their car two times already 🤣

Me, if the car doesn’t have the features in the first place I wouldn’t buy it 🤷‍♂️☝️

I don’t have replace my car every couple years money to spend on cars lol. I’ve also never had a vehicle with cross traffic alerts.

FSDs here in the US is something I use WAY more than all the other features other vehicle manufacturers have, so, I wouldn’t buy them until they can compete.
 
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I don’t have replace my car every couple years money to spend on cars lol. I’ve also never had a vehicle with cross traffic alerts.

FSDs here in the US is something I use WAY more than all the other features other vehicle manufacturers have, so, I wouldn’t buy them until they can compete.
That is good that they add features to older cars. A lesson that other car manufacturers could learn from.

Mind you years ago I was having issues with a Ford Focus (petrol). Around 2009 I’m guessing. The garage replaced various sensors and such but still running like a bag of spanner’s.

Eventually I took it to the main dealer who fixed it with a software update. Paid obviously!

I could never quite understand why it would need that. Basically I was doing exactly the same thing the car was doing when it was new. It wasn’t like the petrol had changed!
 
Oh, so it's a Mercedes problem? I just miss leaving my house knowing I'll probably break down after 11,000 miles.
EV’s are typically more reliable than ICE cars. Less moving parts so less to go wrong.
This isn’t a Mercedes problem (as in all Mercedes). Just an issue with your particular car.
Read through any of the sub forums on MR. iPhone, AW MacBook Pro. You’ll read lots of people who have had issues with their Apple devices.
Does that mean Apple products are not reliable? Or that those particular Apple products are not reliable?

No. It just means that sometimes things don’t work like they should from new.

But your experience is not typical.
 
I don’t have replace my car every couple years money to spend on cars lol.
Most people don't have to, but want to :) And whilst you do benefit on some models from software improvements, and new features, which are great, you do not actually get the mechanical enhancements. Personally, I found the original model 3 not good enough, but the changes made to the highland version in a mechanical sense have transformed the car. Still not up to what I expect from a car, but a significant improvement.

And there are differences and limitations between the Autopilot ECU as in HW1, HW2, HW3, HW4 (not retrofit possible), and then of course there was MCU1, MC2, and even an MCU-Z. With some limited (granted more than most manufacturers do) hardware upgrades available.

The idea is admirable, undoubtedly, and is being executed within the limits of the hardware. However, there will be a limit to what is possible eventually.

Or in short, someone buying a second-hand 2017 Model 3, has a very different car than a 2024 Model 3 despite them looking rather similar. No software update is going to resolve that.

I’ve also never had a vehicle with cross traffic alerts.
Sure, fair enough, it has existed for a very long time though.
FSDs here in the US is something I use WAY more than all the other features other vehicle manufacturers have, so, I wouldn’t buy them until they can compete.
Fair point, and if I was in the USA, I may feel the same. I still find it weird how good headlights aren't on cars in the USA, but FSD is allowed.
 
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Most people don't have to, but want to :) And whilst you do benefit on some models from software improvements, and new features, which are great, you do not actually get the mechanical enhancements. Personally, I found the original model 3 not good enough, but the changes made to the highland version in a mechanical sense have transformed the car. Still not up to what I expect from a car, but a significant improvement.

And there are differences and limitations between the Autopilot ECU as in HW1, HW2, HW3, HW4 (not retrofit possible), and then of course there was MCU1, MC2, and even an MCU-Z. With some limited (granted more than most manufacturers do) hardware upgrades available.

The idea is admirable, undoubtedly, and is being executed within the limits of the hardware. However, there will be a limit to what is possible eventually.

Or in short, someone buying a second-hand 2017 Model 3, has a very different car than a 2024 Model 3 despite them looking rather similar. No software update is going to resolve that.

Just an FYI, so far, buyers have been able to upgrade their Teslas at a level unmatched by other manufacturers. People can go from HW1 to HW3. The first break is HW4+. The CEO has indicated that if FSD reaches it limits with HW3, they will develop a retrofit for a newer HW4 or later for vehicles on earlier HW. This has been the case for FSD buyers in the past, so it will fall right in line with the past. There are limits to what OS you have based on if you choose to retrofit the newer hardware or not. Being HW3, I’m at the current limit, but I’m fairly confident that I will be able to upgrade the HW at some point.

Because of how Tesla has developed their platform, and maintained the same or very similar body and electronic components owners have the ability to extend their upgradablity. For example, I have retrofitted the Biodefense mode (large hepa filter), Sirius XM satellite radio (actual satellite radio, not the new streaming platform), Matrix Headlights (on both my TM3 & TMY), latest revision (prior to HW4) side repeaters on my TM3, latest (prior to highland) drivers wiper arm (added an additional washer nozzle), and CCS charging retrofit. Many people have replaced center console, dash, and doors to the latest.

Every vehicle has upgrade limits, they aren’t going to be upgradable forever. So far, with Teslas, owners have had an unmatched level of added new features, tweaks, and retrofits. The drive to reduce manufacturing costs, means there are very little part differences by trim level. So the wiring harnesses are the same. This is the first vehicle I know if where the upgraded headlights have the same plug as the lower trim headlights. All it requires is changing the vehicle headlight code (which an owner can do on their own by renting toolbox).


Sure, fair enough, it has existed for a very long time though.

A lot of things have existed, but are not standard…. It wasn’t until 2018 that reverse cameras were required in the US. I have only bought 2 cars since 2018, my TM3 and my TMY. My 2017 Ram had an OEM Backup camera, I had to add it to my other vehicles.

Fair point, and if I was in the USA, I may feel the same. I still find it weird how good headlights aren't on cars in the USA, but FSD is allowed.

FSD exists because the driver is responsible. It is no different than having adaptive or dumb cruise control. If I take any non-FSD vehicle and drive down the street on cruise control it is perfectly legal anywhere in the world. If I fail to stop and hit someone, just like with FSD I would be responsible. We have no regulations that prevent the use, which there is no reason to.

We have the exact same headlights. The exact same matrix headlights in Europe are here. It is simply because of an old regulation that was in place preventing a specific number of forward facing lights on at one time. But this has been lifted. There may be some other regulation that are slowing the activation by manufacture’s design, but the hardware is here.

We need it, because manufactures and car owners would put all kinds of lighting and blind oncoming traffic (It’s almost on every drive through NYC I see LED light bars installed and used). Manufacturers would add these, because customers would ask for it.
 
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People should make their decisions and buy counting on what is available and not some pie in the sky.
But for exemple I'm quite happy to have bought a car with regular headlights which some months latter became matrix lighting.
Of course I knew the hardware was there and could come but I was ok with what I got just like now I'm ok never getting FSD.
But in a following car I will certainly give a few extra points to Tesla because I know something will show up in the future.
 
I just seem to like the hybrids over the EVs ... I know they are more complex. I like the Camry ... may buy.
 
I might have asked this before but things change... I travel for work and my company currently pays my gas. I am considering a TY but would need to be able to be able to produce receipts for charging. I assume that Supercharging while on the road produces a receipt or tracking of sorts but what about home charging? Does the app track kwh usage that I can then multiply by what my provider charges? If I can't accurately track my charges to bill back to my employer, my thoughts of an EV are dead in the water. Many thanks!
 
I might have asked this before but things change... I travel for work and my company currently pays my gas. I am considering a TY but would need to be able to be able to produce receipts for charging. I assume that Supercharging while on the road produces a receipt or tracking of sorts but what about home charging? Does the app track kwh usage that I can then multiply by what my provider charges? If I can't accurately track my charges to bill back to my employer, my thoughts of an EV are dead in the water. Many thanks!
Get a smart charger at home, so you can properly track the supply into the vehicle. Or if your company for whatever reason don’t accept that, charge for more publicly.
 
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If you only need to track energy amounts in home charging that would be quite easy. Apps, wall chargers, dedicated meter in the circuit, several options are available.

But if you need a proper formal receipt that would depend on how electricity supply is set in your country. If I would need that I would try to have a separate contract.
 
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Does the Tesla Wall Connector count as such?

The TWC does include kWh charging sessions. I am going to refresh this post with a screen shot of mine:

Note, I have 2 Teslas, I charge my wife's first then mine. She drives considerably less than I do. Each session is displayed.

You also see a lot of short sessions, because I leave my TMY plugged in. Her TM3 is only plugged for charging. Whenever I get home and am not charing her car, my TMY is plugged in.

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Saw the thread on the right side of the main page, clicked on it and started reading.

Soonish I began to wonder what strange opinions were still prevalent ... only then did I notice the dates on the posts of the first page 🤣
 
The TWC does include kWh charging sessions. I am going to refresh this post with a screen shot of mine:

Note, I have 2 Teslas, I charge my wife's first then mine. She drives considerably less than I do. Each session is displayed.

You also see a lot of short sessions, because I leave my TMY plugged in. Her TM3 is only plugged for charging. Whenever I get home and am not charing her car, my TMY is plugged in.

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Thank you! That screen shot was very helpful and I submitted it to see if it would suffice for expense reporting.
 
Thank you! That screen shot was very helpful and I submitted it to see if it would suffice for expense reporting.

Good. I have a single rate plan with my utility company. If you have different rates at different times of day, it gets a little more complicated, but you can schedule charging to the cheaper time of night if you only have one vehicle.

I have to move the charger from my wife's car over to mine before I go to bed, so I want her car charged as soon as possible. If I had a cheaper rate, I would end up scheduling mine and paying the higher rate for hers.
 
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Thank you! That screen shot was very helpful and I submitted it to see if it would suffice for expense reporting.
Over here we tend to get a rate per mile. So you also claim some of the wear and tear on your vehicle.
If you are doing a lot of miles a Tesla is a good choice.

Nearly all home wall chargers are smart chargers these days.
 
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Does the Tesla Wall Connector count as such?
I don't know, but someone else will answer that, who is into Tesla. I've got another smart charger, and it is smart because it can react to variable pricing by the electricity grid, and follow different pricing structures. I mean, at times I get paid to use electricity :) And I also have a specific timeframe where it is contractually at rather low prices. So the smart device can track the pricing of the sessions as well.

You have to look at what is available in your region, but more importantly, how the expense system works in your area. A personal car over here would rarely be compensated just for the fuel, it would be on basis of the miles/kilometres driven as it should also cover depreciation, insurance, maintenance, and not just fuel. If you have a company car, but pay privately for the fuel, that is different indeed. But then you often need exact receipts. Talk to your employer to get the details on what is actually required.
 
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I don't know, but someone else will answer that, who is into Tesla. I've got another smart charger, and it is smart because it can react to variable pricing by the electricity grid, and follow different pricing structures. I mean, at times I get paid to use electricity :) And I also have a specific timeframe where it is contractually at rather low prices. So the smart device can track the pricing of the sessions as well.

You have to look at what is available in your region, but more importantly, how the expense system works in your area. A personal car over here would rarely be compensated just for the fuel, it would be on basis of the miles/kilometres driven as it should also cover depreciation, insurance, maintenance, and not just fuel. If you have a company car, but pay privately for the fuel, that is different indeed. But then you often need exact receipts. Talk to your employer to get the details on what is actually required.
The older Wall Connectors are dumb. The "new" WiFi enabled unit supposedly can do stuff like that, but I can't verify as I have one of the OG units (they have 80A charging capability before Tesla dropped it from all their cars).
 
The older Wall Connectors are dumb. The "new" WiFi enabled unit supposedly can do stuff like that, but I can't verify as I have one of the OG units (they have 80A charging capability before Tesla dropped it from all their cars).

It does have smart features. You also can schedule charging from within the vehicle's UI.

If you get the Universal Wall Connector, it will come with the NACS plug and a build in J1772 plug (even thought I am 100% Tesla and other OEMs are moving to NACS, I would have gotten this if it was out at the time).

Tesla's WC are probably the best value for the money connectors.
 
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