Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk
- Thread starter PracticalMac
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
I am not on FSDs 13 yet. Both my Teslas are HW3, which will be delayed (as I understand it) to dumb it down for our hardware.
As far as I can tell V13 hasn’t been released to wider beta testers yet. Plus it appears to be HW4 only. Maybe around new years?
Yes, clearly some differences. To us that is no dynamic pricing that is just a dual tariff. Dynamic pricing is where at anytime during the day the prices can vary, that can even go to negative pricing
And when coupled to storage solution you can have your setup be part of trading the balance in the supply. Smart charging that is.The Tesla Wall Connector cannot deal with such systems, but to be fair I know of one energy provider where they get around it and the integration is with the Tesla car, but NOT the wall connector as that one is dumb for such things I'm afraid.
Now whilst it is cool and nice that the car itself can do that, it is not a smart investment (in my opinion) to have such a wall connector as if you have another car that may no longer work, or if you have visitors that may no longer work, or even if there is a mistake like with JLR where they secured the API's and thus customers were locked out of such smart charging capabilities.
Hence my comments and stance, that is is best to not do that at the consumer level (the car), but at the supply level (the unit providing the charge). Then you have compatibility that lasts, is under your control, and compatible with multiple vehicles.
Our charger is open and 'free' to use if anyone wants to help themselves. Naturally, they have to drive up our driveway, wave to the security cameras. And if they can connect at the maximum speed, then that would cost us in the UK 50 pence ($0.63) maximum per hour. So, hardly the crime of the century.
In all the years we've had a smart charger, that has never happened, our neighbours have their own, and guests are even too polite to ask. But we always offer that can hook up. And no, there is no way I'm going to take like $1.80 when friends have been over for say 3 hours…
In our setup in the Netherlands, it looks like we'll might have overproduction, so please come and take it as the electricity net companies can start charging for feeding in electricity. A crazy system, but the reality is that they get overcapacity at times.
For us, this is a total none issue.
Yes, clearly some differences. To us that is no dynamic pricing that is just a dual tariff. Dynamic pricing is where at anytime during the day the prices can vary, that can even go to negative pricing
The Tesla Wall Connector cannot deal with such systems, but to be fair I know of one energy provider where they get around it and the integration is with the Tesla car, but NOT the wall connector as that one is dumb for such things I'm afraid.
Although not dynamic pricing, it can self-adjust (using a Tesla approved add-on) to when you are using less electricity.
Full dynamic pricing throughout the day seems like a nice feature, but definitely a low hanging fruit. I 100% bet you that your utility company has a pre-set lower charge time period every 24 hours. You simply use that time slot as your charging window. But for most people, the cheapest residential time slot will be while people are at work, so their vehicle will not be home... The next best slot, is late night or early morning.
Since you are using this as the judgement on if the TWC is smart or not, I assume all other, or most at least, competitor products available in UK/Europe contain this feature?
Dynamic "load balancing" or Dynamic Power Management can be done with a TWC v3 (how to):
DIY Tesla Wall Connector with Load Management
This weekend I installed a Tesla Wall Connector and a Neurio W2 Power Meter and configured them for dynamic load management. Dynamic load management means that the EV charger will dial down the charge rate from 48A whenever the power meter detects that total load is close to the maximum load of...
Source:
Wall Connector Power Management | Tesla Support
Power Management is a suite of three Wall Connector features: Static Power Management, Dynamic Power Management and Group Power Management. Learn more about the features for Wall Connector.
Last edited:
Have you listed your charger in any of the EV charging apps as a free-to-use destination charger open to the public?
I'm sure you are not in a charging desert. If I move to an area where there aren't enough public chargers, if I do an outdoor installation (hopefully I won't have to as I hope to have a 2.5+ car garage) I would consider listing it. As you said, it's cheap enough that it wouldn't be a major cost.
Still waiting for more 2025s and maybe longer to 2026s ... for more choices. Last cars I've looked at are the Toyota Camry hybrid and the Hyundai Ioniqs EVs (still expensive). But I like the mundane VW Jetta ICE? (they seem to be around $23k). Just so simple to go back to ICE. Except for the environment. Toyota hybrids are getting 50 mpg.
No I haven't. I have done in private groups in the early days for emergencies. But as it is AC at home, it is relatively slow. I don't fancy strangers sitting on our driveway in their car, whilst we may need it. Sorry, but I'm selfish like that
Yes, definitely not in a charging desert, in fact, in the UK I'd say 2 out of every 5 houses in our street have got a charger. At our place in the Netherlands there are so much public road destination chargers that it annoys ICE drivers
And even in our apartment they are moving to build chargers in the underground car park. But if anyone were to knock on the door and say they have an issue, they can use it, no problem.
I hear you, but dynamic power management is a different thing, and as per your link requires additional power meter. That feature is 100% on all devices in our region, it is not allowed to be sold and installed without it. It is a part of building regulations. The kind of smart balancing is with the demand on the grid, as at times you can be paid to use electricity if nobody is using it.Although not dynamic pricing, it can self-adjust (using a Tesla approved add-on) to when you are using less electricity.
Full dynamic pricing throughout the day seems like a nice feature, but definitely a low hanging fruit. I 100% bet you that your utility company has a pre-set lower charge time period every 24 hours. You simply use that time slot as your charging window. But for most people, the cheapest residential time slot will be while people are at work, so their vehicle will not be home... The next best slot, is late night or early morning.
Since you are using this as the judgement on if the TWC is smart or not, I assume all other, or most at least, competitor products available in UK/Europe contain this feature?
Dynamic "load balancing" or Dynamic Power Management can be done with a TWC v3 (how to):
DIY Tesla Wall Connector with Load Management
This weekend I installed a Tesla Wall Connector and a Neurio W2 Power Meter and configured them for dynamic load management. Dynamic load management means that the EV charger will dial down the charge rate from 48A whenever the power meter detects that total load is close to the maximum load of...www.friism.com
Source:
Wall Connector Power Management | Tesla Support
Power Management is a suite of three Wall Connector features: Static Power Management, Dynamic Power Management and Group Power Management. Learn more about the features for Wall Connector.www.tesla.com
View attachment 2463645
So that kind of load balancing isn't really within the property. Octopus energy is the most common one in the UK where they have dynamic pricing, which can become a negative value (good for a consumer). For Tesla, that integration is with the car, not the charger. So the car becomes the controller in such a situation, directed by Octopus. Therefore, it still does it, but only if you actually connect a Tesla car and not when another car is connected. As in that case, the car will determine whether the charger switch on or not, based on a signal by the energy provider.But realistically, for any half decent property, this shouldn't be a problem and considering we are talking AC, most properties in the UK are single phase so won't draw more than 7.2 kWh regardless. But granted there are some older non updated houses, ours literally had only a 60A fuse and wire around the fuse board that you had to rewind yourself as breakers 🤣 That was quickly replaced for a 17 gang RCD modern fuse board.
I moved from "planning to get" to "has", took delivery of my new TMY today!
Welcome to the EV family. And welcome to the Tesla family. What did you get? SR, LR, P? Color? 5/7 seater?
My Brother just bought a Ford F150 Lightning and just being able to sit in it, it is nice. I still don't really understand the charging situation or getting over the anxiety of traveling long distances on a single charge and feeling like I will get trapped over the mountains because of dead battery, but asthetically, it's a really nice car. Also, I'm jealous of these new infotainment systems. Mine is so small in the Accord (2017 car, bought in 2016).
that is a very generic statement, and you could end up in that situation with an ICE car too, couldn't you?
Granted, not as many charging stations as there are gas stations, but plenty in California, and every EV out there shows you in the dash how many miles of range you have left and the charge of the battery. And some have built-in tools that show you where to stop and charge, and there are apps doing the same.
I'm on my 2nd EV, really enjoy not too have to visit gas stations anymore and I can easily do 500miles+ in a day if needed. Lots of newer EVs charge rather fast too, in 20-30 min you can regain 200 miles or so of range which is plenty for most people til they have to stop again anyway.
EVs don't work for everyone yet, but for the average driving needs they do just fine.
Thank you! I got a blue LR 5 Seat, I barely fought off going P.
I suppose it depends on which mountain roads you are talking about. If you are taking I 70 to the Eisenhower Tunnel, you might as well be in New York - there are charging stations everywhere. But the more distant roads, IDK. They still struggle to get electricity to houses sometimes.
Last edited:
There are 60k+ charging stations and 168k+ individual chargers as of 04/24, source below.
Of course these are not all “fast chargers” but the Electrify America, EVGo and such have fast chargers along the travel corridors, and that network is growing. And, more non-Tesla EVs get access to the supercharger network…
And I have not yet seen a statistic how many folks have charging at home, m guess is 75+%.
It’s not perfect yet but getting better
U.S. public EV charging stations and charging outlets | Statista
In April 2024, the U.S.
www.statista.com
As far as I understand, the Silverado EV has a much larger battery than the F-150 Lightning. In this case the Silverado is supposed to reach a drive range in excess of 400 miles. But one has to consider that even with its large battery, it cannot achieve the drive range of a 6-cylinder (gasoline) F150. For example, the following video, both the Silverado EV versus that 6-cylinder F-150 tow heavy loads. Keep in mind that these trucks aren't being driven over the mountains, but on flat roads, and also that to charge the Silverado on the road when traveling long distances can be as expensive, if not more, than refueling the ICE F-150.
The end result is that the Silverado had a very good drive range, but at the 205 mile range the battery's remaining capacity could have only provided 25 miles of range, versus 158 miles for the 6-cylinder F-150. Fueling the ICE F-150 = $68,680, and for "partially" charging the Silverado (full charge on the way out, and partial charge on the way back) = $79,80. That's why the driver of the Silverado decided to partially charge the battery just enough to to reach the charge station at home.
Last edited:
In case anyone is bored over the festive season. Here is a list of 124 EV ranked and reasoned by CAR magazine. I got to admit (following a quick scan), that it is mostly agreeable, in my opinion.
I hope the link works, it is part of my Apple News+ subscription.
I hope the link works, it is part of my Apple News+ subscription.
Getting a ‘25 Kia EV6 AWD next summer.
Built in the new Savannah, Georgia plant.
Built in the new Savannah, Georgia plant.
Some good deals out there on pre owned EVs.
As a car salesman we never referred to used cars.
Pre owned sounded newer than used. 🤣
The Bolt and Leaf are extraordinarily affordable ways to get into EVs.
www.topspeed.com
As a car salesman we never referred to used cars.
Pre owned sounded newer than used. 🤣
The Bolt and Leaf are extraordinarily affordable ways to get into EVs.
10 EVs That Depreciate The Most After 2 Years Of Ownership
Depreciation is a big concern when it comes to EVs, and these 10 models go down in value faster than any others.
www.topspeed.com
Last edited:
I gather that pre-owned EVs are a hard sell though. The technology improves quickly, and there is the big question of how much life the old batteries have left in them.
Is there any free market for replacing batteries in EVs? Or do the automakers have it all locked up?
Is there any free market for replacing batteries in EVs? Or do the automakers have it all locked up?
It’s not that much of a concern. Most have an 8-10 year warranty. More than you get on any engine.
So a 2-3 year old EV is a real bargain. Plus you can check on the battery health in the cars information.
Batteries are lasting much longer than originally expected in EV’s according to all the research. I’d avoid a first gen Nissan Leaf, but other than that they are very reliable.
Even if the battery does deteriorate, at most you are going to lose a few miles of range in most cases. So a used EV that could do 250 miles will do 230 or so. No ICE car will perform as well after 8-10 years than it did when new.