Only where the manufacturer exposes charge status of the car using a special protocol. So far, only BMW has done so.
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Placed order for a 21’ Rav 4 Prime XSE back in early fall. Estimated delivery date was July 22’. (Originally was August 22’ direct from factory).
Now, Checked to see any updates, only to find out my order was shifted to a 22’ Rav 4 Prime, new estimation is November 22’. [Unknown why].
What’s even more frustrating, our local dealer was aware of the model year shift change and failed to notify, given any delivery scheduled changes, is their responsibility. They owned the error, but now we are likely canceling, and moving forward with Volvo XC40 Recharge instead. Similar build date, but more options and long term savings. (Matt Moran Motoring has an excellent review on his week long experience with it.)
Placed order for a 21’ Rav 4 Prime XSE back in early fall. Estimated delivery date was July 22’. (Originally was August 22’ direct from factory).
Now, Checked to see any updates, only to find out my order was shifted to a 22’ Rav 4 Prime, new estimation is November 22’. [Unknown why].
What’s even more frustrating, our local dealer was aware of the model year shift change and failed to notify, given any delivery scheduled changes, is their responsibility. They owned the error, but now we are likely canceling, and moving forward with Volvo XC40 Recharge instead. Similar build date, but more options and long term savings. (Matt Moran Motoring has an excellent review on his week long experience with it.)
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are you in a non-CARB state? have read that Toyota in certain areas is not really interested selling plug-ins ...
my local dealer has them coming in, sometimes listing 5-6, today only 1 (https://www.tvtoyota.com/new-vehicles/rav4-prime/), they sell before hitting the lot. We were interested but Toyota currently seems to be making 98% XSE and we did not want the Softex seats ... we ended up getting a Hyundai Tucson plug-in just before xmas, but every plug-in is very hard to get here in CA ...
The SE is the most popular of the RAV4 Prime series, because it’s essentially the same vehicle without the niceties that the XSE offers. But the problem with SE, because it is so popular/cheaper, it’s also marked up even higher than the XSE, and you’re looking at an extra $6-$7,000 more for that model. The XSE, even though more limited in production, I think it’s worth the value with everything it adds (The performance is exactly the same though, between both models). I live in the Midwest, so you can’t find these vehicles really anywhere that are new, [most of them are slightly used or a year older], which I won’t purchase anything use when it comes to electric (Or in combination form). We wanted factory new.
I understand production delays are inevitable and is across-the-board for every manufacturer, but to go for six weeks without being notified that the delivery is even later, just doesn’t work for us. I’d rather find something sooner than the end of 2022, if that means having it shipped from another dealer on site to our door, we’re fine with that. At this point, The Volvo Recharge can be delivered significantly sooner than fall 2022.
I am waiting for more diverse options at cheaper price points to come out. Currently, I am driving an ICE, but my goal is to sell it by 2030 and replace it with a cheaper electric car, and the EV platforms of the major car companies have become more reliable.
There is also that supply chain and chip shortage issue that plagues this market currently. This should be sorted out by 2030 and will lead to parity between supply/demand leading to more homogenous prices...
There is also that supply chain and chip shortage issue that plagues this market currently. This should be sorted out by 2030 and will lead to parity between supply/demand leading to more homogenous prices...
I don't own a car right now but co-use one (ICE) that we share. I would be interested in new super efficient clean ICE cars with more range than battery cars have and easier refuelling compared to long charging.
I see no solution for me getting any possible EV ever charged at home or at work or at specific places I go to. EVs won't work for me.
I see no solution for me getting any possible EV ever charged at home or at work or at specific places I go to. EVs won't work for me.
You made up your mind a while ago and aren’t really interested in having your opinion changed. Not sure why you need to keep repeating it.
Bought a new car just last year, although it will most likely be my last petrol vehicle. I intend to keep it until the electric charging infrastructure really develops, and prices for electric vehicles fall somewhat. Basically I'm waiting for the tech to mature more before I decide to jump aboard.
Er, no. I agree with your first point about technology, though I think modern tech is creeping into most cars priced at Tesla’s price points. While it is true there are two electric batteries in a Tesla, they may not be what you think. There is a large traction battery that propels the car. It is high-voltage (~400v) and is made up of thousands of small AA-size batteries built together to create the pack. My Model 3 for example has over 4400 of these little cells in its large traction battery.
Then there is the second battery: a 12v lead-acid battery identical to the 12v batteries in most cars used for starting. In an EV, the 12v doesn’t really “start” the car in the traditional sense though, it turns on the electric controls, runs the lights, runs some of the accessories, and so on. And the lead-acid part is being replaced with AGM and even Li-ion batteries but still 12v. Importantly, the 12v battery is NOT a backup for the 400v traction battery, and vice versa. Both are required to operate the vehicle normally.
This might be a stupid question, but why can't the traction battery also be used to turn on the controls, lights, and accessories? Why does an EV need this additional lead-acid battery?
some manufacturers have done that, I know Hyundai in at least some of their models. It is technically possible but I think it is cheaper to have a dedicated 12V battery
12V is still necessary as a lot of components run on 12V and redesigning them to hi voltage would be quite expensive and not bring benefits at this point.
Far from it. I constantly check the situation. The car per charger relation is deteriorating where I live not improving. My early concerns get confirmed by what actually happens.
I am a bit fed up by this attitude everybody not liking or using EVs is bad informed, hesitant, stupid or whatever. There are practical concerns preventing many people to ever consider them. It would be better to improve this first. While doing so the same level of technology can be used to make ICE cars greener and more efficient as well.
The key difference though is the cost of adding the tech to ICE is getting more expensive while in time costs for the EV will go down. More complexity= more cost and more points of failure.
The real reason manufactures are changing over to EV's are not due to a government agenda or wanting to be green, it's the cost of development is cheaper. You only need 2-3 vehicle platforms to develop for your lineup( a car platform, a truck/SUV platform, and sports car if desired) and then modulate to fit the desired size. That is huge money savings compared to the multiple engines to be designed and certified, transmissions, platforms, etc.
Your point is still valid though. There still needs to be more charging stations to handle the increased number of EV's. In terms of charge time, I think it would be better getting more range for a 10-15 minute stop. Right now 10-15 minutes can get you 170-200 more miles at a fast charger. Improve that to 350-400 miles, that 10-15 minutes becomes a smaller factor, IMHO.
I think @jz0309 is on the money…lots of 12v accessories from blowers to lighting to wiper motors, etc., already in the supply chain (somewhere?) anyway so no need to reengineer them. But I think there might be another reason: do you really want high-voltage throughout the cabin for things like controls, displays, seat motors, electric door locks, window motors, and so on? What would be the wiring and fusing requirements? Would something as simple as changing the bulb in the glovebox require disconnecting the high-voltage battery altogether? How would first responders at an accident get around that? I guess there are ways, as Hyundai has done, but is that cost effective? I don’t know, but don’t think so. Good discussion topic though.
I hope I won’t be needing to get a new car anytime soon, but when I do, I do think I want to go electric. I always thought my next car would be a muscle car or something just sportier, but electric cars are appealing to me more and more despite them not being known for being sporty cars. Sure, they are quick, but I love cars that are really great at handling too and are driver-enthusiast cars.
However, I’m just so tired of inhaling pollution both while I’m driving around and it comes in through my vents or going for walks/runs around neighborhoods. If I can be a part of reducing that pollution, I’m happy to do it. Of course, doing my small part to reduce climate change would be nice too.
I also don’t want to have to deal with the maintenance that ICE cars have. I would love to never have to get an oil change again. I so look forward to the day that I have an electric car, have an electric car charger installed in my garage, and can just charge my car every night overnight and come out to a full battery every morning.
However, I’m just so tired of inhaling pollution both while I’m driving around and it comes in through my vents or going for walks/runs around neighborhoods. If I can be a part of reducing that pollution, I’m happy to do it. Of course, doing my small part to reduce climate change would be nice too.
I also don’t want to have to deal with the maintenance that ICE cars have. I would love to never have to get an oil change again. I so look forward to the day that I have an electric car, have an electric car charger installed in my garage, and can just charge my car every night overnight and come out to a full battery every morning.
But the cost of a replacement is also high, so no real benefit. It’s like house prices. The fact that they go up all the time is irrelevant unless you don’t need to buy another one.
Sort of. Let’s assume one is thinking about a new Tesla at say $57,000. Yes, that price can change over time but likely has more stability than used car prices. So, I’d rather get that Tesla with a trade-in worth a higher amount due to whatever market conditions make that trade-in value more than another time with less value meaning I have to pay more for the new vehicle. My trade-in investment has already been made and now the market determines its value at any point in time.
It’s a bit of the reverse of housing prices in that housed can, but don’t always, appreciate in value. Cars rarely do and are considered a depreciating asset.
And yes, if you don’t need to get a new car, it might be better to just keep the existing transportation until it quits. Maybe. I think most people switch when they want to rather than need to with the obvious exceptions of an accident that totaled the existing vehicle, stolen car, repossession, etc.
I hear what you are saying. But generally with new car purchases (perhaps excluding the Tesla model), you buy from a dealer and different dealers will discount off the RRP. Right now with the shortage of cars (chips), they are charging RRP or even above.
Maybe, don’t really know. But sometimes dealer markups or other resistance fades away at end of month, end of quarter, or because the local market is just unwilling to buy the dealer’s cars at full MSRP or more. That inventory car is still costing a dealer every day it remains unsold.
Yep, my son bought a new Corolla in Dec 2019, in Dec 2021 he got rear-ended, significant damage but was repaired even though the frame was impacted. He decided to get a new car (Corolla hybrid), he sold his old one to carmax for more than what he paid 2 years prior, ended up paying no markup on his new one - that was a good deal for him…
This whole car buying/selling situation depends quite a bit on personal circumstances at the moment
Exactly why I bought my Tesla in November. Before a bunch of price hikes and while my Tacoma trade was still crazy high.
My Mom just purchased a 2022 Camry XSE 3.5L [Cold weather package] OTD for $41K and even if you trade in a 2021 or even a 2020 with low mileage/one owner, they’re going for above MSRP right now. Absolutely insane for a two year old car that actually is worth more than it was manufactured for. In general, Toyotas just have stellar resale value across-the-board.