Yes sorry I thought I should, but even the oldest Tesla on the planet (or in space!) is only 14 years old, so it's not like we have decades of data to trawl through. The vast majority of Tesla's on the road are under 5 years old, and from every article I've seen so far the Tesla's with 100k+ miles on them have had numerous battery replacements.
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Those articles are probably referring to the 12V battery, not the main high volt drive battery.
High voltage pack replacements are "uncommon". I think Fred from electrek has (had) the highest mileage Model X with something like 400k miles. I think his pack had been replaced twice though. I can't seem to find the articles in Electrek about it.
Found it: https://electrek.co/2020/06/06/tesla-battery-degradation-replacement/
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All the technicalities aside, I will put it in simple terms: compare the road-drive range of the 2022 eMini Cooper hardtop to the 2022 ICE Mini Cooper hardtop. These two vehicles are nearly identical. The only way possible for the electric Mini to double its drive range is by doubling its battery capacity, and this in turn will increase the battery's weight twofold. It also means that the new driving range can only be accomplished on a flat road since the motor is propelling a heavier vehicle. This is similar to loading your vehicle with passengers (carrying more weight).
You can also compare the drive ranges of hybrid/EV of any of the automobile brands (Honda, Toyota, and so on). You will notice that hybrid automobiles have longer drive ranges than pure EVs.
At the present time, and probably decades into the future, there isn't a way for electricity to reach the density of fuel. Nor for fuel to approach the density of uranium (for example).
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Last spring I was in the market for a new truck. My previous 5 trucks had been 4 Ford Superduty's with an F-150 throw in the mix for some reason I can't explain
. I had been checking inventory on the Ford site a couple of times a week hoping something would show up.But the GMC dealers seemed to have Denali HD's available to sell. Now the Denali HD is already $5K or so pricier than a Ford Lariat and I was OK with it as it does have more options. But every GMC dealer was adding an additional $3-5K Market Adjustment. Nope, I'm out. Not going to pay $8-10K more for a truck for options I won't miss and profit for the dealer.
I finally found a Ford that had been ordered for a client, but that client backed out when it came in so I was lucky enough to be the one who got it.
I did pay MSRP ($78K), but they also gave me $6K more for my trade than I had in my mind that I wanted. So it was kind of a wash.
So, yeah I get walking.
Range wise you are correct. The Mini EV has a tiny battery, 28.9kwh, whilst the mini ICE has a 44l tank. So, I agree that you can go farther with the ICE model but using the GGE (gasoline gallon equivalent) 1 imperial gallon equals 40kwh the EV mini seems to be getting 110 miles (Car&Driver review) to what amounts to less than a gallon of fuel. Efficiency vs range and also refueling time vs recharging time. If you want range I believe that the Tesla Model S is somewhere around 400 miles and the Lucid is around 500 miles. Both are hideously expensive but they do have the range. Don't know about you but my bladder isn't rated at 400 miles more importantly my wife's bladder isn't either. Cheers
But if you plan to drive the Mini Cooper ICE with a full tank until empty without a stop that would be an unusual scenario.
Normally you’d expect to drive much shorter journeys. Of course occasionally you will need to drive longer. But a comfort break and a quick bite to eat, and your good for another 100 miles or so.
That doesn’t get better with age does it?
Of course their are plenty of options between the mini and a Tesla that suit a wider range of needs and pockets.
Can that be achieved in a 10-15 minute stop? I keep hearing of 1 hour charge times on motorway services.
Depends on the car and size of battery. 25-30 minutes for example would be what I would do in the i3. But it’s a lightweight EV compared to others. Some charge quicker. It’s not as quick as filling up with petrol, but that’s the compromise. My long journeys are very infrequent.
Because fuel is so dense compared to the amount of electrical energy that can be packed in battery, the drive range of the internal combustion Mini Cooper is greater than the Electric Mini Cooper. This has nothing to do with having to take a break or not, but travel pre-planning. If I need to drive the eMini non-stop 150 miles away, then I have to stop along the way and recharge the battery, but if I drive the ICE Mini I can refuel at the destination point. A vehicle's drive range is one of the most important factors taken into consideration by most consumers.
In Alaska there isn't an electrical infrastructure for EV charging. There are some chargers in Anchorage Alaska where the weather is milder than Fairbanks, and I believe there is a fast charger between Anchorage and Fairbanks (perhaps 200 miles away from each city). Now, I can drive my Toyota Corolla from Fairbanks to Anchorage without having to refuel along the way. I could do the same if driving my son's Toyota Prius.
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This is true. EV in colder climates is going to be a challenge (as you definitely won’t get any advertised range), as will anyone owning an EV where the charging infrastructure isn’t there.
But for most people there are EV options if you can find the funding to buy the thing in the first place. But EV’s will be the future for many and is the fastest growing car segment here anyway.
All good for the planet.
I think the best option for me is to wait until 2030 where hopefully the technology, cost and infrastructure has improved. You guys can test them for now and help get this sector better lol. It’s just not practical enough for me yet unfortunately.
It is getting better everyday. By 2030 I expect things to be EV’s are the norm. My concern is what effect that will have on the resale value of ICE cars.
I prefer the SUPREMO buggy style ones - way cheaper and enough for the philippines.
The 4 seater is around 3000 US$ and the 6 seater under 4000US$.
Add a tarpaulin to the sides to protect yourself from rain.
Add a solar panel on the roof (600W) and a hybrid inverter - to charge with sun and grid too.
The 4 seater is around 3000 US$ and the 6 seater under 4000US$.
Add a tarpaulin to the sides to protect yourself from rain.
Add a solar panel on the roof (600W) and a hybrid inverter - to charge with sun and grid too.
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Yes, EVs are good for the planet once you start driving it (no emissions). Now, the carbon footprint for building an EV is as high (if not higher) than the one for building an ICE automobile. The EV of the far future would be a hybrid that can generate enough electricity to keep a relatively small battery charged 100%, without producing any air emissions. In this case the traction battery would only be needed for accessory power, or for momentary traction power, and the generator power for traction. Another option would be to have an ICE that does not emit hazardous gasses, or one where the gases are filtered to trap the hazardous ones. I know that my imagination is at play here, but it's true that a clean-burning ICE is a possibility.
Yes, I am dreaming
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Mercedes GLC F-CellYes, EVs are good for the planet once you start driving it (no emissions). Now, the carbon footprint for building an EV is as high (if not higher) than the one for building an ICE automobile. The EV of the far future would be a hybrid that can generate enough electricity to keep a relatively small battery charged 100%, without producing any air emissions. In this case the traction battery would only be needed for accessory power, or for momentary traction power, and the generator power for traction. Another option would be to have an ICE that does not emit hazardous gasses, or one where the gases are filtered to trap the hazardous ones. I know that my imagination is at play here, but it's true that a clean-burning ICE is a possibility.
Yes, I am dreaming
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"The energy in 2.2 pounds (1 kilogram) of hydrogen gas is about the same as the energy in 1 gallon (6.2 pounds, 2.8 kilograms) of gasoline"
Hydrogen refueling more closely resembles the gas station experience. With an EV charging cable, you don't see or feel electrons coming out the connector. A hydrogen fueling station provides almost the same manly, phallic experience of squirting foreign matter into a female receptacle, which may help some guys feel more secure about their manhood when driving a clean energy vehicle. Another manly feature of fuel cell vehicles is that they produce water which drips onto the road, allowing drivers to mark their territory like petrol cars that spew fumes into the air.
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Sounds interesting! I believe that Toyota is working on a similar design. There have been reports about a clean burning internal combustion engine being developed in Spain. The aviation industries are also looking into cleaner burning fuels, since batteries are too heavy and would take too much cargo space. In reality the Lithium-Ion batteries of today take a lot of resources and labor hours to build.Mercedes GLC F-Cell
Mercedes-Benz Brand Experience
Innovative concepts, exceptional collaborations, background stories. Be inspired.
Alternative Fuels Data Center: Hydrogen Basics
afdc.energy.gov
"The energy in 2.2 pounds (1 kilogram) of hydrogen gas is about the same as the energy in 1 gallon (6.2 pounds, 2.8 kilograms) of gasoline"
Hydrogen refueling more closely resembles the gas station experience. With an EV charging cable, you don't see or feel electrons coming out the connector. A hydrogen fueling station provides almost the same phallic experience of squirting foreign matter into a female receptacle, except the hydrogen fuel is in gaseous form rather than a fluid.
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A recent study said that the carbon footprint is neutralised after two years of ownership, so that is better than nothing. But then the carbon footprint for building ICE cars varies a lot. The larger the car the higher it is. That’s before you start putting fuel in it of course.Yes, EVs are good for the planet once you start driving it (no emissions). Now, the carbon footprint for building an EV is as high (if not higher) than the one for building an ICE automobile. The EV of the far future would be a hybrid that can generate enough electricity to keep a relatively small battery charged 100%, without producing any air emissions. In this case the traction battery would only be needed for accessory power, or for momentary traction power, and the generator power for traction. Another option would be to have an ICE that does not emit hazardous gasses, or one where the gases are filtered to trap the hazardous ones. I know that my imagination is at play here, but it's true that a clean-burning ICE is a possibility.
Yes, I am dreaming
As an Apple fan forever, since the Mac Plus, I have always loved Tech. I really love Tesla, and aspired to one for a long, long time. Made the mistake to take one for a test drive. This was the result. Had it nearly a year (and I normally get fed up with a car after 6 months), and it's just superb in every way.
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Your timing is impeccable. Literally. Just as DeLorean is setting to release more details on their full EV.
Definitely fascinating and something to keep eyes on.
DeLorean EVolved Will Reportedly Debut Sooner, On May 31
Its reveal was planned for the 2022 Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance in August, but that apparently wasn't soon enough for some.
Ok, that's cool. Is Doc Brown* involved?
*I expect most here would have seen Back to the Future with Micheal J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd.
*I expect most here would have seen Back to the Future with Micheal J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd.
I remember when I was shopping around for prices for electrics last year and was like that’s expensive, but now when I checked the prices again a couple of days ago I almost had a heart attack, not only did they raise the prices by 20k, it’s almost impossible to get one now even if I wanted to. Just my luck.