Indeed. The fanboys have spent the past 10 years telling us that thin was the holy grail of everything and now they have to pivot on a dime to deal with the new reality. The whiplash must be severe.
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Who is returning their MBP Pro/Max 14/16?
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You've convinced me. I'll take that new MacBook Pro 14/16 with M1Pro/Max off your hands for 500 USD. Let's face it. It's utterly garbage and you may be glad you find anyone stupid enough to give you anything for it. If you don't agree in half an hour the price comes down to 400 USD.
Fun fact, the 14" is the same thickness as the 13'" M1BP, and the 16" is barely thicker than the 16" Intel
book. so liking the new Macs isn't really the pivot you gleefully think it is.
Users who value thinness over anything else have the M1Air, while users who value performance and quiet under load have the new computers.
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the 14 inch is the perfect "laptop". It's now got the same performance as it's big 16 inch brother, but with added portability. For the difference in price you can buy a 27" 4k monitor, at which point the 16 is a really hard sell for me.
In the US the price difference between the 14" and 16" 10/16, 16GB, 1TB is only $200.
You've got a lot of subjective, vague stuff loaded into your claims. First the actual measurements of size and weight completely refute the claims of "chunky and heavy". It simply isn't true. The battery life is outstanding if you look at real use, every objective reviewer that has tested it is extremely impressed.
These weren't "rushed". This is a product that was carefully considered and was years in the making. As far as the notch, touch base with reality. There either has to be a much bigger bezel in which case you'd be fainting about the huge increase in size or you have to have a notch. They've dealt with it well, it is not going to be an issue for the vast majority of users and for those for whom it is a huge deal simply buy another product and move on. The "ghosting" and "blooming" claims are utter nonsense and you have to really, really work hard to find it and see it. In common normal use it is regular humans won't see a thing.
As far as the obsession about the SDR brightness numbers here's a quote from a review that look closely at the real world impact and not focusing on an irrelevant number ...
"Still, the pure picture quality of the new Mini-LED screen is simple stunning. The black value ist extremely low at 0.01 cd/m² and therefore basically on par with OLED screens, which results in the extremely high contrast ratio. The subjective impression is great and the panel calibration is already excellent out of the box, so there are no further actions necessary and you can just start to edit pictures/videos in the P3 reference color space, which is covered completely."
The last major revamp of the MacBook Pro was soundly criticized and for good reason for a lot of folks. These new models address those issues. But by all means return this and buy an Intel based machine and carry on. The last thing any of us want is for you to be unhappy.
You forgot the /s, but in case you were being serious, it is smaller in every dimension than my old 15” MacBook Pro which is rather easy to carry and fits fine within my backpack and on the tray of every plane I’ve seen. And the dimensions do not change at home because that’s how not how reality works, so it still should be huge to you, but you just don’t move it. Until they come out with folding screen notebooks a 16” notebook is going to continue to have a 16” footprint, and apparently is not for you, but quite a few people actually liked the old 17” which had an even larger footprint because of, again, reality.
Apple can't release anything now without people b1tch1ng. iPad 12.9, Mini 6, now seeing some 14/16 Macbook Pro complainers.
These are premium, expensive devices marketed as the best. Why do you think people shouldn't complain or nitpick? The simple fact is an Android tablet or Windows pc costing 1/2-1/3rd would be more than enough for vast majority of people.
For many, myself included, they are the best. That doesn't mean they are going to be perfect though. They are still designed and created by man.
There are a bunch of 27" 4K monitors < $250, I saw some at 230 etc and I'm sure there have been deals for cheaper.
All I meant is that premium devices have higher expectations. I don't really understand how people are bitching too much, if anything Apple has a lot more blind fan loyalty and apologists.
Me promotion doesn’t work in safari and the sound is worse than my intel one, also the screen quality and brightness isn’t much better, but let down it’s to big and heavy for a machine with not main gains apart from speed but my intel i9 is fast enough never had an issue with it and it can also game 
Me promotion doesn’t work in safari and the sound is worse than my intel one, also the screen quality and brightness isn’t much better, but let down it’s to big and heavy for a machine with not main gains apart from speed but my intel i9 is fast enough never had an issue with it and it can also game
Haven’t you posted this several times? Maybe copy n paste next time. You’re starting to lose it.
I wouldn’t say being realistic makes someone an apologist. I would love to have the 16” be smaller, lighter, and cheaper than the Air, but I don’t think Apple is conspiring against us as customers because it isn’t, I just realize it isn’t currently possible. People complained about ports and they added them back, so other people complained. Having lived with computers for decades now, it just seems that a many people today expect a custom computer exactly to their specifications. Actually, they seem to expect everything exactly to their specifications! Even Dell didn’t do it to that level in their heyday, and I can see why even they barely customize anymore. It must be so frustrating to develop products these days and then read random people’s random comments on the internet.
I'm convinced @flapflapflap will fare well with an entry level Windows MACHINE. He'd better hurry though as my bid price dropped to 300 USD. Any lower and a ChromeBook is his fate.
I'm trying to drain it as we speak.
Spotify, fresh installing apps, some time in FCPX and motion to set everything up, a bit of xbox online with subnautica 2, few trading windows open in safari, brightness at +/-45%, backlit keys on, and I'm at 48% after about 5h.
I would say more or less what apple is stating. Perfectly fine for my needs as I'm generally near a power source at all times.
We used to use these bad-boys:
6.2lbs and didn't think too much of it at the time....
I also had a MBP15 that was about 5.5lb I think...but didn't have anywhere near the performance of the Dell c. 2008-2012
Times have changed with the M1 Pro/Max MBPs though!
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