I cancelled my 14...because I forgot to apply the education discount >__<
Reordered with slightly better specs to make up for it
Reordered with slightly better specs to make up for it
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Who is returning their MBP Pro/Max 14/16?
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I shall play Devils Advocate and advance a conspiracy theory that Apple could have added a taper to the case, which makes it look thinner without actually doing so, and shaved off a few mm without compromising thermals.
A design that reverts everything introduced in the last gen (2016), goes back a decade, and has no innovation - and gets praised by everyone - only Apple could get away with this and it just shows how wrong Ive was.
I'm pretty sure Apple has overcorrected and thrown out the baby with the bathwater though - this had to have been the easiest design ever
Apple design team -
- dust off the 2012 blueprints and add its chassis
- add iPad screen
- add new SOC
- add 2019 keyboard, speakers
- send to manufacturing
- go off on 1 year vacation
A design that reverts everything introduced in the last gen (2016), goes back a decade, and has no innovation - and gets praised by everyone - only Apple could get away with this and it just shows how wrong Ive was.
I'm pretty sure Apple has overcorrected and thrown out the baby with the bathwater though - this had to have been the easiest design ever
Apple design team -
- dust off the 2012 blueprints and add its chassis
- add iPad screen
- add new SOC
- add 2019 keyboard, speakers
- send to manufacturing
- go off on 1 year vacation
A lot of cameras and a lot of drones use SD cards. SD slots aren’t going to be obsolete any time soon.
I visited the Apple Store and from my perspective, the 16 is way too large. The photo attached is from a video review that contributed to why I cancelled my order.
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Thank you for not being a cultist. I’m simply highlighting the obvious — the 16 LOOKS (not IS) CHUNKY
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Yes, but he was comparing to an M1 Air, and I was under the impression that the M1 only supports 2 displays, hence he requires an upgraded GPU that supports it, which the M1Pro does. Apple actually made two levels of GPU, Pro and Max, and expecting more to fill every GPU use case is unrealistic, as most pros do not complain about too much graphic power. Maybe M2 in the Air will support it next year, but M1 Pro meets that specific need now, so I thought it weird to say he had no use for it. Or, sure, he could just buy a 2016 MBP.
bummer as I also had to leave town immediately. I hope they still have in store inventory when I get back for an exchange
There’s a lot of concern about the weight of the 16" mode, which actually concerns me. If carrying something that weighs under 5 pounds burdens you, you might want to consider exercising a little bit. Maybe even do a little weight lifting.
I apologize if this offends anyone.
I apologize if this offends anyone.
I have been setting up my new MBP 16 tonight coming from the last gen MBP (Intel).
This machine is outstanding. Wow. Great display, FAST, and love the keyboard.
Yes it is a little more chunky than the previous model, but that doesn't bother me at all. And I do not notice the notch at all.
This machine is outstanding. Wow. Great display, FAST, and love the keyboard.
Yes it is a little more chunky than the previous model, but that doesn't bother me at all. And I do not notice the notch at all.
Mine arrived this afternoon. I booted it, installed Parallels and Windows 11 ARM, confirmed there is no possibility of USB to Serial connection through any form of adapter, and none of my Windows programs could communicare with any device. Before I boxed it back up to return, I performed a quick h264 export test against my 16" i9 Macbook Pro. 4K 60p 10 bit HEVC file stabilized 70% faster on nthe M1 Pro, but the Intel exported within 2% of the M1 Pro.
Considered scalping it for double what I paid for it, but then I remembered I am not a complete ******.
Paul
Considered scalping it for double what I paid for it, but then I remembered I am not a complete ******.
Paul
That‘s absolutely not true. The regular M1 is performance-wise on the same level as a Radeon 560. This card could easily drive 3 to 4 monitors.
The limitation (M1=1screen) is self-made by Apple. There is no technical need for that. They just want to seperate their product lines.
Ha good man!
Also the fact there seems to be no shortage of machines available is nice. My local Apple store/Best Buy/Costco has more stock than they do customers wanting one ?
Actually, it is absolutely true, as the M1 has the ability to drive only one extra display. Performance doesn’t play into this, the actual ability to address more than two displays does. Hypothetically it has the performance to drive a million displays really slowly, but if it doesn’t have the output controllers, the point is moot.
Yes. And that‘s exactly my point. It‘s a decision by Apple not to add a controller that can handle multiple displays. And this decision is not of technical nature.
It‘s pure marketing.
They clearly want to position the M1 as a consumer chip while the M1Pro and M1Max are „professional“ chips. But they targeted these new MacBooks to video professionals, leaving out at lot of other professions who dont‘t need 32GPU cores and a XDR display.
These other professionals now have only two options:
1) buying a MacBook Air having a good Performance but lacks a lot of professional features.
2) buying a MacBook Pro that is generally over-engineered for their needs (and very expensive) but has some features they need.
It‘s mostly that spot in the middle that is currently taken by the MBP 13“. A professional device that should have some features of the 14“ MBP and some features of the MBA with a price tag between 1400 and 1700$.
It just doesn’t not exist.
A base MacBook Pro 14" with the 8/14 arrangement is pretty close to a fit for that and would probably suit a lot of people in that niche.
won't be returning my 16, but I very much understand your gripe. if people hand not been so whiney about an hdmi port they absolutely did not need no matter what their caterwauling says, we would have a computer this thick.
but it is incredibly effective at what it does.
Over-engineered? Really? What does that even mean? Do you realize that you are exaggerating the GPU core count by double on the 16 inch (16 starting, not 32) and even more than that for the 14 inch? That might be why you think the price is high. You might as well complain that they are forcing 8 TB storage on professionals, if you are going to do that.
Have you ever considered that maybe it is due to engineering and not marketing? The M1 is basically a ARM chip for a phone upgraded to PC level. The integrated GPUs were originally designed to drive a single integrated screen (high DPI, but small.) Have you ever considered where they are building from, instead of assuming everything is intentionally crippled? The amount of conspiracy thinking these days is truly terrifying. The fact they managed to get that performance out of the M1 is amazing, but it wasn’t designed to output to more than two screens, which is one more than they ever had to deal with as an iOS chip. For a first shot at a PC level chip, they did spectacularly, yet all people do here is armchair quarterback. Their second version of that (same 1st generation) chip added most of the pro features requested, and still people complain. Maybe the M2 will be exactly what you want, but right now this thread just reminds me of Goldilocks.
Looking at the technical specifications the 16” is smaller and lighter than my 2011 15” MacBook Pro, which is probably my favourite notebook I’ve ever owned, and which was rather svelte in its day. The grumpy old man in me just wants to yell “you kids these days don’t know thick laptops!”
I think you and I are the only people who think this way.
Oh, and the 14 inch looks **even thicker** thanks to the smaller size.
My guess, if you're arranging these atrocities in order of their "ugly, dated looking piece of sh*t" factor, you'd rate the silver 14 inch as ugliest and 16 inch gray model least-ugly.
Seems like an app such as Space Engine could really fly if the developers were interested in using the hardware codecs in the M1 Max & Pro chips. A growing market?
It will only take a couple of years to have a base of Apple Silicon in the millions.
my 2010 13" mbp was probably about as thick as this thing is, and laughably nowhere near the performance as other than it being 11 years older, it ran a core 2 duo.
i'm irritated because it's thicker for no good reason. hdmi wasnt necessary, we already had many, many means of addressing usb-c to *anything else we wanted* for 5-6 years now. it's not even implemented in its most current and widespread form, making it obvious apple threw it in as the "here ya go, now ****", not because they genuinely wanted to put this back on.
absolute guarantee the next mbp form factor revision gets rid of it again. and i can't wait.