Other Who really gives a damn about the camera? - give us something else new please Apple!

[Knowimagination]

You literally only said get rid of the notch and have 120hz screen. Neither of those things are exactly wow features either, it’s just that the most improved features don’t deal with your needs... who cares
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More excuses

lol this thread is pointless if you aren’t even going to engage with what I said.

 

[jcshas]

To each their own, but for me, the camera is probably the single most important feature when it comes to purchasing an iPhone.

 

[zipster]

Yea so that they can shoot a 4k 10 bit hdr to be compressed in 480p or 720p.😂

So, not sure your point here... Then if anything, these phones are future-proof.

 

[mdkdue]

You literally only said get rid of the notch and have 120hz screen. Neither of those things are exactly wow features either, it’s just that the most improved features don’t deal with your needs... who cares
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lol this thread is pointless if you aren’t even going to engage with what I said.

That’s because you just said ‘their versions suck’..a complete blanket statement with no basis to it. If they ‘sucked’ that bad they wouldn’t be included or be allowed to use them. They actually work perfectly fine, proving that the tech is there and ready to be used.

But again people just make/give Apple excuses for not using it.

 

[oVerboost]

Plenty of other brands have no notch, Face ID (an equivalent), under glass fingerprint sensors, 120hz...oh and shocker! Bloody decent cameras too!

Please stop accepting Apples shortcomings and call them out on it!

Other brands also don’t have the security level of Apple. Fact.
So by having no notch (it’s not just for cameras, there’s security scanners/radar built into that area), under screen finger print sensors which will fail and become problematic over time, mark my words (with no high street support or aftercare offered that doesn’t mean jumping through hips and being without a phone) Apple still is the market leader in device security.

120hz screens to the general public means nothing. Most aren’t even aware phones have different refresh rates! As long as the screen is of good quality, which it is, that’s what sells it on first impressions.

If you don’t like Apple, it’s fine. But we all do. Even with their shortcomings, because the overall product is better for most of us, than the alternative.

If you want something else, go and buy it if it’s all so amazing.

 

[Jro29]

Totally WRONG
The ‘gist’ of this post is why does Apple think it’s ok to churn out virtually the same tech year on year whilst at the same time claiming that they are leaders in the industry for innovation and ideas.

If other manufacturers were doing the same then fine, clearly there is a valid reason for things not changing, but we all know this is not the case. The tech is there as everyone else is using it, just not Apple, so WHY? Are we not entitled to ask this question and be annoyed that it’s not ?

Plenty of other brands have no notch, Face ID (an equivalent), under glass fingerprint sensors, 120hz...oh and shocker! Bloody decent cameras too!

Please stop accepting Apples shortcomings and call them out on it!

But I don’t care about the notch. Why would I complain about it? Or demand it.
if there is a phone that performs how you want and doesn’t have a notch, you should buy that one. That would probably spur them to get rid of it more than complaining on a message board.

 

[laptech]

Totally WRONG
The ‘gist’ of this post is why does Apple think it’s ok to churn out virtually the same tech year on year whilst at the same time claiming that they are leaders in the industry for innovation and ideas.

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And here is the reason why Apple focus so much effort on it's camera's in the iphones

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Among other things, the devices sport a new LiDAR Scanner designed to allow for more immersive augmented reality (AR) experiences. Snapchat today confirms it will be among the first to put the new technology to use in its iOS app for a lidar-powered Lens. As Apple explained during the event...

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Snapchat has millions of users and if Apple can tap into that, it will make millions of $$$ from snapchat users buying Apple phones.

As I said in one of my posts, it's all to do with social media.

 

[Knowimagination]

That’s because you just said ‘their versions suck’..a complete blanket statement with no basis to it. If they ‘sucked’ that bad they wouldn’t be included or be allowed to use them. They actually work perfectly fine, proving that the tech is there and ready to be used.

But again people just make/give Apple excuses for not using it.

they weren’t even in the same ballpark security wise and speed of use.

 

[Rogifan]

So basically you’re saying hey Apple give me what I care about.

LOL at thinking normal users don’t care about better cameras but do care about 120Hz refresh rate.

 

[mdkdue]

If you don’t like Apple, it’s fine. But we all do. Even with their shortcomings, because the overall product is better for most of us, than the alternative.

Oh believe me I 100% know what everyone is like on these forums, god forbid anyone who has a bad word to say about Apple. Thats ok, I know how it is.

I probably would change to an alternative if they could run IOS. I firmly believe other manufacturers have far superior hardware, it’s just Android I can’t be doing with.

 

[Knowimagination]

We’re fine with saying bad words about Apple.. just justify them. If you do a crap job at justifying yeah you’re going to get pushback.

 

[CarolG]

The camera is probably the single biggest feature I look forward to every year. But I'm a photographer who shoots primarily with an iPhone these days.

I agree. I’d upgrade for extra camera features alone. We travel to Europe a couple of times a year and the photos I take with my iPhone are priceless. Glad I don’t have to lug around another camera now.

 

[Rogifan]

OK. I reread your OP. You wanted the notch gone and that’s a very valid ask.
Unfortunately that won’t happen as the notch differentiates an iPhone from other phones.

That’s not why the notch exists.

 

[Feyl]

I recently deleted all social media apps from my phone except for Twitter and I realised that I have nothing to do on my phone. It's kinda amazing. I want something new to do with my phone that I couldn't done 10 years ago but I still use it almost the same. I appreciate a good camera but the improvements are so insignificant year after year that it would be foolish to pay for a new phone every 1-2 years just for a tiny bit better camera.

 

[1rottenapple]

Not it actually has in glass fingerprint sensor

Underneath Glass sensors are slow. Look at the current galaxy s20. That’s one of the cons reviewers list. Yes it works but it’s slow. But I’d take both authentication technology but that will likely increase cost since that tech would eat into profits. Ok I don’t mean to defend Apple lol. But just saying it would be a step back from Touch ID speed. I would take a side Touch ID like the iPad Air.

 

[aenflex]

I would rather have had 120hz, smaller bezels and a smaller notch over camera upgrades, 5G, and thinner chassis. While I understand the notch, to a point, I don’t understand the bezels. I guess it relates to the curved chassis. But either way, I’m well sick of them every time I look at my friends’ bezel-less displays.

I agree with your rant a bit, OP. I don’t care too much about camera improvements, glad they’re there, glad they make folks happy, but it’s a mobile communication device. It’s not a DSLR.

 

[mdkdue]

We’re fine with saying bad words about Apple.. just justify them. If you do a crap job at justifying yeah you’re going to get pushback.

But I have justified everything.
How many more times can I say that the tech is out there but Apple just aren’t using it. The proof is there on the shelves to buy!

You have come back with weak pushback like ‘it’s nowhere near as secure’..so what? You think that’s valid? It’s still secure! Do you really think Joe Bloggs on the streets cares that his iPhone can’t be hacked by the NSA? As long as it’s secure enough that someone can’t find it on the street or in a bar and get access to it..thats all that matters.

 

[geekiemac]

Listed in my OP...that would be a good start.
Not having to pay £800 for a phone with a screen from 2017 would be nice

Yeah, I had read it. So you're making all this fuss because of a... notch? and you call that innovation?
You have no idea how much innovation goes into that new SOC, the power management, the new Ceramic glass, etc. etc. There's some serious R&D behind all of that. Obviously, it's less visible than ... a notch. And like it was mentioned the notch is now what tells iPhones apart from other brands so iMHO it's here to stay for a while. (and I couldn't care less personally)

 

[menist]

Not a word about battery. Was hoping for a leap in battery life, but guess it’s a step back this year in mAh.

 

[5105973]

Again..not being a photo enthusiasts can you HONESTLY tell me you can see a huge difference in quality for just the odd social and travel snap? I highly doubt the majority of people can or even care

Which was exactly my point

In good lighting conditions, no, I don’t see loads of significant differences. What the new tech offers are fewer lost opportunities due to poor lighting or motion or other impediments.

 

[oVerboost]

Oh believe me I 100% know what everyone is like on these forums, god forbid anyone who has a bad word to say about Apple. Thats ok, I know how it is.

I probably would change to an alternative if they could run IOS. I firmly believe other manufacturers have far superior hardware, it’s just Android I can’t be doing with.

I’m happy to complain when I think there’s something to complain about, but I’m happy with what Apple have done. Plus the fact that there’s no major price increase on the Pro models, they could have done so easily. Everyone also got the new iOS which is great, widgets and things are still new but over time these things will get better and better.

I’d recommend a Google Pixel for you then... stock Android that’s actually very close to iOS, no notch (hole punch), 120hz screen, 3 years of updates but less secure and no resale value etc. But everything has its pros and cons.

 

[Rogifan]

Oh believe me I 100% know what everyone is like on these forums, god forbid anyone who has a bad word to say about Apple. Thats ok, I know how it is.

I probably would change to an alternative if they could run IOS. I firmly believe other manufacturers have far superior hardware, it’s just Android I can’t be doing with.

I criticize Apple plenty. But I have little time for people who complain about boring updates on mature products. For some reason this year 120Hz refresh rate is the thing that iPhone must have or it’s a boring update. Though if someone was given a phone with 120Hz refresh rate they probably wouldn’t even notice it. Is it really like a retina screen OR HD TV where the minute you see one you can’t go back to anything else?

 

[1rottenapple]

Well, over the XS you get lots of little incremental improvements that will add up:

• bigger screen in a thinner, lighter package
• Slightly refined design, if not earth shattering.
• Brighter XDR screen
• Longer battery life
• 5G
• better water resistance
• A14 chip
• Better protection from drops
• New MagSafe accessories

If you're coming up on a standard 2 year replacement cycle, you get a fresh battery with the new phone as well, and at a £200 discount over what you paid for the XS.

I think I get what you mean in the OP though, you think Apple puts too much effort into the camera to the neglect of other improvements? It does sometimes feel like that, but I think it's more that the camera is one thing they can improve year over year that a lot of people actually do care about, while phones in general have reached a bit of a plateau in other features.

I too get your point. But I hope OP takes into consideration if Apple neglected the camera technology, youtubers, verge, engadget reviewers would rake Apple into the fire.

Before the iPhone x, Apple had fallen behind the camera race. I remember comparing my phone to my cousins galaxy 7 and it wasn’t a contest. His was better! It wasn’t until Apple implemented computational photography did they pull even. I’d even venture it wasn’t until the 11 that apple really caught up with it’s night mode. Before it was Samsung galaxy/note and Google Pixel as the standard for photos that reviewers harped on over and over, and Apple was the 3rd or 4th place.

 

[mdkdue]

Yeah, I had read it. So you're making all this fuss because of a... notch? and you call that innovation?

No I don’t, that’s my point, it’s not even innovative to have no notch anymore, which is what makes it even more embarrassing that we still have it!

 

[Knowlege Bomb]

Please stop accepting Apples shortcomings and call them out on it!

Okay you win.

SHAME ON YOU APPLE!!! SHAAAAAAME.

Now what?