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Why do people hate on android
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Yeah, but those same people hate Hillary Clinton even more. She's a real bitch, while Apple is just bitchy about letting you use iOS.
Seems both sides hate on each other. I might even say that Apple is hated on MORE than Android...to be honest. Besides that, Apple and Android are rivals in the smartphone business. I do not hate on Android phones/users. Android wasn't my cup of tea, so I have an iPhone. Just like the iPhone wasn't your cup of tea, so you have your Android. Pointing fingers and asking "why do people hate on Android" is pretty hypocritical and asinine. I see PLENTY of iPhone hating in this section, and most of the time I don't even chime in because it's not even worth the time. I mean, seriously, YOU ARE ON AN iPHONE FORUM. It's just a little contradicting that you are asking this. I would never find myself signing into an Android forum and feeling the need to try and "educate" them on why my iPhone is better than their Android. I have things to do, offline. Discussing your Android phones, and the benefits and features, and how much you like them...that's fine. But I see soooo much trash talking it's ridiculous.
I am not trying to start a war, just calling a spade a spade.
I am not trying to start a war, just calling a spade a spade.
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And/or they dislike change. Also could be brand loyalty, which could drive them to not like the OS because they may not have a liking for Google.
I like change just fine.
When I changed from the Asus Transformer to iPad, it was great.
When I changed to the iPhone after 3 years of slogging it with Android, it was even better...
Ah, but the question is, once you're completely comfortable in your environment, what's the likelihood that you'd be willing to change for the possibility that you would be even more satisfied?
Change is obviously welcome when people are in a bad condition.
That's not the overall answer. Sure, some people are just...weird and irrational and hate something just because its different, but many people know what they don't like and that's fine. It doesn't mean they're being irrational. What works for iPhone users doesn't work for me and vice versa.
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Depends on your IQ.
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Disliking change is fine...if the change is bad.
Brand loyalty is irrational.
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I do prefer Android right now, yes. Hating an operating system is just silly. Only people deserve hate.
Sounds like my iPhone. Safari crashes, random spinning circles, don't get me started on the horrible task manager that doesn't tell you what is running at all and the sometimes abnormal frame rates in games while no other app is opened (validated with the afformentionned piss poor task manager).
No platform is perfect. Don't hyperbole to make it sound "horrible". A lot of people were very satisfied with Froyo, Gingerbread and even others before it. Look at iOS 2, iOS 3 and compare them to what we have today in iOS 5. It will also look horrible.
I agree. It's funny how iOS users are usually labeled as snobby, entitled know-it-alls who hate anything non-Apple. Yet as you also noted, I feel I cant go on any Apple site, or read any article related to a new Apple product without a barrage of Apple haters calling everyone "Fanboy" or "Sheep" or a number of other disparaging remarks. And calling on how their product is notably better. Go on an Android forum, or a Samsung or Google forum and do a comparison on how many Apple "Fanboy's" are on there talking crap about their products. It's nowhere near as much as a MacRumors forum.
So for me, I don't hate Android... But I don't like people coming into our forum and unprovokingly (is that a word??) insulting us. You have great phones and a great OS, but the truth is we honestly don't care as much about your OS and your phones as you think we do.
I think you are confused.
The Android owners here are usually Mac owners or iPhone owners too, like myself. Now look at who starts the hate threads to troll an argument, iOS users. Then the Android people argue back. I mean come on, this is a thread asking why the people here hate on Android so much.
Don't worry though I'm confused too. You said we don't care about their OS and phones in the "Alternative to iOS and iOS devices" section of Macrumors? I'd think if people really didn't care about an OS or a phone then there wouldn't be this section.....
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The slide to answer the same on practically all touch screen phones. On my Android phones and my old Nokia Symbian phone, there are indicators that tell you to slide to answer as well.
Since you are an iPhone user, you are obviously more used to an iPhone than an Android phone. As an Android user, I had similar difficulties the times I had to use an iPhone. Both have some differences and familiarity with one device will make another device a little unfamiliar. Android and iOS devices have enough differences that once you get used to one, you expect things to work a certain way. When you use a different device, it does things differently.
A classic example is how you delete something from a list. On Android, many of the functions other than selecting or lauching something is done by tapping on the object and holding your finger there for a second. Then a menu pops up. On Android to delete an object, I would long tap the object to bring up the menu and then select delete on the menu. On iOS, you swipe the object horizontally. I could not for the life of me figure it out. I kept long tapping on it. Finally, someone familiar with iPhones and iOS told me to swipe left. I did than and then the delete button appears. I then press the delete button to delete the object.
Like, how am I supposed to know that I have to swipe the object horizontally to get the delete button? There was absolutely no indication of how to do this at all. That seems totally unintuitive for me. When deleting icons, the process is completely different.
Of course ios2 is horrible compared to ios5. It's not hyperbole, it's a fact. How is that even a debate? How can anyone even deny it?
I must say, I don't understand why it has to be a "Oh yea?? Well iOS was horrible too!" kind of discussion. This has nothing to do with iOS. The question asked was why do people hate on android, and the reason is it was horrible before ICS.
A lot of people were satisfied with Froyo and GB, they were also satisfied with iOS2 and 3. Does that somehow make them not horrible when compared to the current iterations?
I know being in denial about the obvious is a popular thing here on macrumors, but you won't find me defending iOS2 as some great OS just because it's Apple. iOS2 was just as horrible if not worse then GB and Froyo!
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"Horrible" is the hyperbole and you introduced it. Gingerbread was good, Froyo was good, iOS 2, iOS 3, iOS 4 were all good.
Both platforms have their ups and downs. There's people who hate on both, just got to learn to tune it out. Stick to the facts more, don't go down the road of petty "it's horrible prior to XX!". It wasn't. It was just fine.
Basically, I'm telling you not to be part of the problem.
Because you're in an Apple forum full of rabid iOS fanboys who constantly feel the need to disrupt constructive conversations regarding alternative mobile operating systems in order to inflate their e-penises.
I don't know if you've ever used an android phone but froyo was not good. At all. It was a glitchy slow inefficient mess. Google itself admitted these things when announcing the nexus and ics. I think people who are afraid to admit flaws in software are a far bigger part of the problem then those that recognize the positive advancement that both apple and google have made in improving their os's.
Gingerbread was not good either. In fact it may have been worse then froyo. The bionic when released had a major software update a month after its release that fixed a crapload of problems that simply should not have been present in a new os. Look up the changelog for that update it was around November 2011. Gb was horrible.
Ics was good. Leaps and bounds above froyo and gb. But i still had daily reboots and poor performance on my quad core transformer prime and my nexus.
Jellybean has fixed every problem that android has. I haven't had a reboot yet and I'm running a rom i compiled myself. It doesn't require any tweaks no customizations just vanilla jellybean. Have you used an android phone? Have you tried jellybean? On which device if you don't mind me asking?
So its a little disingenuous to ignore the inherent problems in these early versions of both ios and android. The denial needs to stop. Really it does. Ios and android have come a long way and compared to earlier versions i don't think calling them horrible is a stretch. But at the end of the day its an opinion. Not something I'm trying to pass off as fact.
This is all in hindsight though, the issues present were much less clear at the time as it's all relative. I upgraded from Eclair to Froyo on my HTC Desire and there was nothing wrong with it...at the time.
I don't think you and I are using the same Macrumors Site. Nearly every single pro-android, pro-webos, pro-windows phone was a flame festival of i-hate-non-apple-users. I and many others begged for this sub forum for quite a while and we finally got it. I am very great full to the admin for allowing get it and as such if I see anti-apple remarks, I will ask the offender to please change what he or she wrote that was offensive. If they continue, I will report their violations, just as I will with anti-android vitriol. I think we can all be civil here.
I would like to maintain a level of order herd so that anyone does not feel abused, regardless of OS they use, but 99 percent of the posts will probably revolve around android or wp8.
The problem here though, is that there is a whole host of Apple products, iPads, iPhones, iPods, Macs etc. Anyone could have any of those products and that may be the reason they're here. I joined because I'd owned an iPhone for a while, various iPod's and eventually an iPad. However I was on Windows because I find OS 10 not to my liking. But when I see people here spouting pure rubbish about Windows I feel compelled to correct them, or merely point out what a load of old tosh they're spouting. Often then I would get asked
"This is an Apple site! Why do you come here Windoze fanboy?!"
Or something along those lines, that person who feels compelled to correct someone about Android may well have a Mac or an iPad.
Here's my 2 cents...
I think for the most part, iPhone fans/Mac fans tend to be enthusiastic about their products for a couple of reasons. One is that they do enjoy them and even I can say that using a Mac is MUCH better than Windows, regardless of whether it is Windows 7 or not. Much less hassle. Secondly, is that included in that brand loyalty is the hype that was driven by Steve Jobs and the advertizing that Apple has shown over the years. Their marketing is brilliant and it really DOES effect how people think, if you don't believe it. Think on this:
Marlboro cigarettes filter tipswere initially pink and were sold as a product for women (pink filters so lipstick wouldn't show on the filters). The product didn't take off as well as they had hoped so Marlboro hired a new advertiser and the direction they took the cigs was the way of the Marlboro Man, shortly after the campaign was released, the product started selling like wild fire. And is still known as one of the top selling products that cater to manly men.
This is how powerful advertising is.
Most geeks (myself included) tend to be very enthusiastic about tech in general. Steve Jobs ( I think he was bi-polar and manic depressive, but I do admire the hell out of his accomplishments in spite of that) has become idolized by a tonne of people and when he spoke, it wasn't in a subtle way. He made very clear his opinion of Android, basically claiming he would go "thermo nuclear" on them and spend every last dime of Apple to crush them. These kinds of statements make an impact on an already loyal customer base. He was also amazingly charasmatic, intense and convincing.
Most iOS users, do not scan both OS forums, they stick with what they are familiar with and where they feel at home. Therefore, many have never even touched Android OS devices. Some of those that have, may have gone with earlier Android OS versions, which were less than polished than iPhone. They come back and feed the trolls with food on how bad the OS is and combined with the mindset used from Steve Jobs and Apple, it snowballs.
Android now is just catching up to the fluidity and ease of use that iPhone has almost always had (closed system had helped with that). I for one have had bad experiences with early smart phones (can you say windows 6.5?) when I got my first iPhone (iP4) it was heads and shoulders above the windows phone and BB that I had. It is just after 2 years of owning one that I felt that based on personal research and Youtube videos that I believed that something different might be in order. So yes, iPhone or rather iOS had ease and pleasure of use going for it which also helped deliver product loyalty. People don't like to see their beliefs/brands challenged. (if this were never true, there would never be sports teams and sports fans).
So as a basic answer to why do people hate on Android:
1) Brand and company loyalty (including sharing SJ's beliefs)
2) Product that despite the hype DOES deliver, reinforced by great customer service.
3) They view Android as a threat to their preferred company/device.
4) Possible bad experiences in the past.
5) People gobble up advertising like fat kids eat cake they get hooked on the hype. (mob mentality in a gentle way).
Just my opinion though.
I think for the most part, iPhone fans/Mac fans tend to be enthusiastic about their products for a couple of reasons. One is that they do enjoy them and even I can say that using a Mac is MUCH better than Windows, regardless of whether it is Windows 7 or not. Much less hassle. Secondly, is that included in that brand loyalty is the hype that was driven by Steve Jobs and the advertizing that Apple has shown over the years. Their marketing is brilliant and it really DOES effect how people think, if you don't believe it. Think on this:
Marlboro cigarettes filter tipswere initially pink and were sold as a product for women (pink filters so lipstick wouldn't show on the filters). The product didn't take off as well as they had hoped so Marlboro hired a new advertiser and the direction they took the cigs was the way of the Marlboro Man, shortly after the campaign was released, the product started selling like wild fire. And is still known as one of the top selling products that cater to manly men.
This is how powerful advertising is.
Most geeks (myself included) tend to be very enthusiastic about tech in general. Steve Jobs ( I think he was bi-polar and manic depressive, but I do admire the hell out of his accomplishments in spite of that) has become idolized by a tonne of people and when he spoke, it wasn't in a subtle way. He made very clear his opinion of Android, basically claiming he would go "thermo nuclear" on them and spend every last dime of Apple to crush them. These kinds of statements make an impact on an already loyal customer base. He was also amazingly charasmatic, intense and convincing.
Most iOS users, do not scan both OS forums, they stick with what they are familiar with and where they feel at home. Therefore, many have never even touched Android OS devices. Some of those that have, may have gone with earlier Android OS versions, which were less than polished than iPhone. They come back and feed the trolls with food on how bad the OS is and combined with the mindset used from Steve Jobs and Apple, it snowballs.
Android now is just catching up to the fluidity and ease of use that iPhone has almost always had (closed system had helped with that). I for one have had bad experiences with early smart phones (can you say windows 6.5?) when I got my first iPhone (iP4) it was heads and shoulders above the windows phone and BB that I had. It is just after 2 years of owning one that I felt that based on personal research and Youtube videos that I believed that something different might be in order. So yes, iPhone or rather iOS had ease and pleasure of use going for it which also helped deliver product loyalty. People don't like to see their beliefs/brands challenged. (if this were never true, there would never be sports teams and sports fans).
So as a basic answer to why do people hate on Android:
1) Brand and company loyalty (including sharing SJ's beliefs)
2) Product that despite the hype DOES deliver, reinforced by great customer service.
3) They view Android as a threat to their preferred company/device.
4) Possible bad experiences in the past.
5) People gobble up advertising like fat kids eat cake they get hooked on the hype. (mob mentality in a gentle way).
Just my opinion though.
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So you were okay with the reboots and poor performance? I wasn't and didn't need hindsight to come to that conclusion. I don't know i thought they were crap but maybe I'm just picky. I just expect a phone like the bionic with the specs it has to not perform poorly. The conclusion I drew was that it was a software problem and not hardware. Ymmv I suppose.
Wait...what? I didn't have reboots and performance was generally Ok. It was never as fluid as iOS was at the time but I was willing to compromise on that...
I had a number of phones around that time (HTC Desire, Nexus One etc) and never had problems like that. So what... you had one phone with either poor software implementation or a hardware flaw or something and you're willing to generalise that experience across dozens of different handsets?
The one thing that I have learned from the whole iOS/Android debate is that no matter how good the hardware specs, if the software isn't up to scratch then this will severely limit the experience. This is the reason why my Android device of choice will aways be Nexus - it's almost always the best software and the best user experience and they aren't plagued by the poor software and crapware of third party manufacturers.
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There are Android forums in which you would be free from such disruptions and are no doubt full of rabid Android fans (bless). If you are going to discuss anything in MR, expect to see debate.