Other Why do you prefer ios over android?

[dk001]

I have switched from android to ios, back to android en maybe back to iOS with the iPhones 2018.
Main reason to switch is the updates. Paying 1000 dollars for a phone (Note 9) that only get's one, maybe two updates doesn't feel right. And even then it takes 6-9 months.

A reminder that Google puts out two kinds of updates:
1 - OS updates / upgrades
2 - Monthly security updates

Both of these have to go through OEM and Carrier approval before sent out. However, for my Razer, I get them quickly and my roomies Galaxy S8 gets them routinely (security updates). It isn't all doom and gloom in the Android update world as many think.

 

[PCMacUser]

A reminder that Google puts out two kinds of updates:
1 - OS updates / upgrades
2 - Monthly security updates

Both of these have to go through OEM and Carrier approval before sent out. However, for my Razer, I get them quickly and my roomies Galaxy S8 gets them routinely (security updates). It isn't all doom and gloom in the Android update world as many think.

That's right. I'm in the fortunate position of being able to purchase new mobile phones to test before they are deployed into our enterprise environment, so I have the S6, S7, S8, S9, Note 8, Note 9, and every flavour of iPhone here at my disposal to work with. One of the things I have to consider before introducing any new model is what the lifespan is likely to be, and whether there will be security and OS updates in the long term. And basically, as long as you buy a premium Samsung handset, the OS will continue to be updated for at least a couple of years before they stop bothering (they are trying to sell new phones after all) - but the security updates will keep rolling in. I noticed the other day that my test S7, which originally shipped with Android 6.0, had updated to Android 8.0.

The Note 9 that I received yesterday is running 8.1, so I think an 8.0 upgrade for the S7 is pretty good.

 

[mib1800]

I’m not deflecting responsibility away from iCloud because the responsibility was always with the user storing information within their gmail accounts in the first place. For example using the same weak password for two applications. iCloud was never hacked, it was simply accessed via information obtained from another source and that was down to each user being careless.

If you find out a Hollywood stars password for gmail is ‘qwerty1’ or ‘12345’ and happens to be the same for their iCloud account or their online banking, who is at fault?

Most "hackings" (whether on iOS or Android) occur using password phishing. How many of these passwords were stolen with the fake icloud login box that affected iPhone?

Apple security doesn't seem that good (compared to the hype). Recent case of a child in Australia was able to hack in. Plus hundreds of users in Singapore reported unauthorized credit card transactions on their iTunes account.

Your questions ask why people like familiarity which is one of my reasons, trends and a rather bizarre question about being scammed. I don’t think you really take on board actual reasons given here which is why you consistently promote the hard sell for your chosen operating system. I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume you may be linked with some kind of sales career in real life. That’s not criticism either.

You got it wrong here too I am not doing anything related to sales. Even on this forum, I am mostly reactive in my postings. I just responded to bias/inaccurate posts about Android/Samsung. Most of the time, I just highlighted the capabilities of Android/Samsung that's all.

Hard sell is when you push something above and beyond what product really is. Imo, this is more applicable to ifans. E.g. the way ifans sell imessage/apple ecosystem or certain iPhone functions as revolutionary when those have been available for ages in competing phones or wrongly spinning Android as insecure when it is not.....do I need to go on?

 

[akash.nu]

If you are using this loose criterion, then a $100 Android fulfills the same needs as a $1000 iPhone. Is this what you are saying?

And this is exactly why Android user base is so huge. Not because of the features but because of the associated costs of ownership being low.

 

[akash.nu]

At the high end of the market the flagships are all close in capability. They are all fast, have stunning cameras, screens and are beautifully crafted pieces of product design. We all have different views on what is the best package for us and for me it’s the combination of iOS and the iPhone. Others like yourself have different needs and priorities but personally I don’t care what others use as long as they enjoy it. I have never needed to convince anybody my choices are better in order to feel good about what I’ve bought.

At the higher end of the spectrum, Apple is the clear winner by far. You forgot to mention.

 

[akash.nu]

I have used every OS that was and still is out there and I now pretty much stick to an IPhone. It just works out of the box without much tinkering (I’m not much into customization.). Security is the overriding consideration for me and I will pay for hardware from a company that makes it’s money from the hardware and not from ME as a product. Every time I have tried the latest android, I have to alllow Google to track everything I do just to use Google’s voice assistant and I just couldn’t stomach that. I have nearly every tracking thing turned off on my iPhone and I can still use Siri for mostly everything I need. I haven’t seen it mentioned but I like that there’s an option to let a particular app use my location only when the app is open. That’s missing from Android and is just another check against it in my book. Now, my son loves Android, has a Galaxy 8 that is still running as fast and smooth at the day he got it a year ago. No matter how much I try to cajole or bribe him with the latest IPhone, he refuses to switch....sigh..where did I go wrong. >

And just to put some more weight to your privacy arguments- https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/co...hard_to_escape_study/?st=JL4AQGTO&sh=7d4ab1f0

 

[bopajuice]

That's right. I'm in the fortunate position of being able to purchase new mobile phones to test before they are deployed into our enterprise environment, so I have the S6, S7, S8, S9, Note 8, Note 9, and every flavour of iPhone here at my disposal to work with. One of the things I have to consider before introducing any new model is what the lifespan is likely to be, and whether there will be security and OS updates in the long term. And basically, as long as you buy a premium Samsung handset, the OS will continue to be updated for at least a couple of years before they stop bothering (they are trying to sell new phones after all) - but the security updates will keep rolling in. I noticed the other day that my test S7, which originally shipped with Android 6.0, had updated to Android 8.0.

The Note 9 that I received yesterday is running 8.1, so I think an 8.0 upgrade for the S7 is pretty good.

I trust your real world experiences over those who "heard" or "read" that one platform is better than the other. Many responses here seem to belong to the camp that tried a particular OS one time and have formed an opinion based on their biased and limited experience. Small minded in my opinion. Being loyal to one brand seems so narrow minded.
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At the higher end of the spectrum, Apple is the clear winner by far. You forgot to mention.

Why?
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And just to put some more weight to your privacy arguments- https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/co...hard_to_escape_study/?st=JL4AQGTO&sh=7d4ab1f0

"So says a Vanderbilt University computer scientist who led an analysis of Google's data collection practices"

Who is the scientist? What controls were in place?

And further more:

"They say an iOS device does not typically send location data to the company unless using a Google product or visiting a website that uses Google tracking tools. It did not compare it to how much data an iPhone sends to Apple servers".

If you are going to claim something at least do your research and make it less biased. What information is Apple gathering?

Gathering random articles from a google search is easy. What proof do your have to back up your claims?

 

[akash.nu]

Why?

Because the data says so. Have you compared the sales figure of high end smartphones across Apple & Samsung?!

"So says a Vanderbilt University computer scientist who led an analysis of Google's data collection practices"

Who is the scientist? What controls were in place?

Details here - https://digitalcontentnext.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/DCN-Google-Data-Collection-Paper.pdf

And further more:

"They say an iOS device does not typically send location data to the company unless using a Google product or visiting a website that uses Google tracking tools. It did not compare it to how much data an iPhone sends to Apple servers".

If you are going to claim something at least do your research and make it less biased. What information is Apple gathering?

Gathering random articles from a google search is easy. What proof do your have to back up your claims?

Are you expecting me to start my own research group for gathering proof? iOS devices send tons of data to Apple but at least the company is not using it as the main source of their income and also you can choose to disable most of such tracking from within device settings. That says something.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Most "hackings" (whether on iOS or Android) occur using password phishing. How many of these passwords were stolen with the fake icloud login box that affected iPhone?

Apple security doesn't seem that good (compared to the hype). Recent case of a child in Australia was able to hack in. Plus hundreds of users in Singapore reported unauthorized credit card transactions on their iTunes account.

Hundreds of users in Singapore? I hadn’t heard of that unsurprisingly but a quick google search returns the figure being 58 users affected.

You hate untruths and iPhone users exaggerating points about Android remember?

You got it wrong here too I am not doing anything related to sales. Even on this forum, I am mostly reactive in my postings. I just responded to bias/inaccurate posts about Android/Samsung. Most of the time, I just highlighted the capabilities of Android/Samsung that's all.

Hard sell is when you push something above and beyond what product really is. Imo, this is more applicable to ifans. E.g. the way ifans sell imessage/apple ecosystem or certain iPhone functions as revolutionary when those have been available for ages in competing phones or wrongly spinning Android as insecure when it is not.....do I need to go on?

You are reactive and respond with your own examples of exaggeration and labelling, I see.

 

[mib1800]

Hundreds of users in Singapore? I hadn’t heard of that unsurprisingly but a quick google search returns the figure being 58 users affected.

You hate untruths and iPhone users exaggerating points about Android remember?


You are reactive and respond with your own examples of exaggeration and labelling, I see.

That's the number of cases found for one bank only . Many other banks are reporting many such cases. Some accounts were billed tens of times. People are still continuing to report such transactions.

Are you trying to toe apple's line in saying it is not its problem?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

That's the number of cases found for one bank only . Many other banks are reporting many such cases. Some accounts were billed tens of times. People after still continuing to report such transactions.

Are you trying to toe apple's line in saying it is not its problem?

I’m not toeing any line other than refraining from laying the blame at any particular party until the cause has been determined.

You’re keen to blame Apple without any facts and that’s fine, but it’s a little rich considering you’re complaining about a few unidentified people here suggesting things you say are untrue about Android.

 

[mib1800]

I’m not toeing any line other than refraining from laying the blame at any particular party until the cause has been determined.

You’re keen to blame Apple without any facts and that’s fine, but it’s a little rich considering you’re complaining about a few unidentified people here suggesting things you say are untrue about Android.

I am just highlighting the fact it is not all rosy with apple security. Of course, there maybe uncontrollable reasons that apple can't prevent (just like in Android), but fact is, it happened on apple turf. Some ifans will brush this incident aside and pretend that it didn't happen.

When talking about "security" you can't be selective. Some will argue away and play down and say there is no problem with apple security due to this and that. Still, iTunes accounts got hacked and those apple users were billed fraudulently.

 

[FFR]

I trust your real world experiences over those who "heard" or "read" that one platform is better than the other. Many responses here seem to belong to the camp that tried a particular OS one time and have formed an opinion based on their biased and limited experience. Small minded in my opinion. Being loyal to one brand seems so narrow minded.
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Why?
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"So says a Vanderbilt University computer scientist who led an analysis of Google's data collection practices"

Who is the scientist? What controls were in place?

And further more:

"They say an iOS device does not typically send location data to the company unless using a Google product or visiting a website that uses Google tracking tools. It did not compare it to how much data an iPhone sends to Apple servers".

If you are going to claim something at least do your research and make it less biased. What information is Apple gathering?

Gathering random articles from a google search is easy. What proof do your have to back up your claims?

It actually did. Android sends 10x more.

It’s a 55 page document.
Seems through.

 

[temna]

Just curious.

10 years of experience in iOS and Android, that's why..
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I agree...also the user experience will be affected by the device you choose as well. If you buy a cheap low end used Android phone chances are you will not enjoy the experience. Same could be said of some IOS devices but to a lesser degree imho.

Well, actually, I buy top of the line every time I buy an Android device, and doesn't matter which one, once the novelty of a new device wears off, I see the cracks in Android.. And by definition, Android sucks.. Honestly, after MANY years of dealing with mobile devices, I can honestly (and professionally) say that Windows Mobile was one of the best mobile OS out there..

 

[jamezr]

10 years of experience in iOS and Android, that's why..
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Well, actually, I buy top of the line every time I buy an Android device, and doesn't matter which one, once the novelty of a new device wears off, I see the cracks in Android.. And by definition, Android sucks.. Honestly, after MANY years of dealing with mobile devices, I can honestly (and professionally) say that Windows Mobile was one of the best mobile OS out there..

Well that is YOUR opinion...not shared by the rest of the world....Android is used by more people than any-other mobile OS.
I use both IOS and Android and see the pros and cons of both.
It comes down to user preference. By definition Windows Mobile was horrible.........in my professional and not so professional opinion. Windows Mobile is dying a slow horrible death

 

[mib1800]

It actually did. Android sends 10x more.

It’s a 55 page document.
Seems through.

That 10x is when iOS device is idle which is obvious as there are very littlr background activities in iPhone.

But in active use, iPhone send 70-80% (50% data to Google and 20-30% to apple) of the amount an Android sent. This despite no Google apps were being used in iphone.

So from this you can throw out the fallacy that iPhone has more privacy blah blah

 

[FFR]

That 10x is when iOS device is idle which is obvious as there are very littlr background activities in iPhone.

But in active use, iPhone send 70-80% (50% data to Google and 20-30% to apple) of the amount an Android sent. This despite no Google apps were being used in iphone.

So from this you can throw out the fallacy that iPhone has more privacy blah blah

Yeah....thats not what was in the report.
There was even a chart.

 

[mib1800]

Yeah....thats not what was in the report.
There was even a chart.

That chart shows when idle. There is another similar one that show for a typical day usage which like I said iPhone sends 70-80% the amount an Android sends.

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[gadgetfreaky]

I've gone back at point on Android and iOS the last few years and about 3 years ago I full out switched to an Android phone exclusively. I always come back for a few reasons:

iOS PROs

1- The apps are more polished on iOS since Android is so fragmented.
2- the Coherence across your laptop and mobile is pretty helpful. In specific, Notes, Safari browsing/bookmarks, files, photos and even copy paste is handy and slickly done.
3- The hardware for mobile devices will be better than Android at least the next 2-3 years. Apple's advantages in chips make their devices better
4- the small little details and polished experience. Lots of little things add up.
5- iMessages I love it as a messaging tool and wish Apple would release the Android version so I can chat with my Android friends (they won't because it keeps a lot of people on iOS)
6- I'm a little bit of an insane Apple fanboy and love the launches every year. To give you an idea- I started looking forward to the 6.5 plus launch coming next month last year at the launch of the X.
7. Safari and Notes on Mac and iOS are great apps- same with Wallet and Apple Pay
8. I trust Apple more with my data.

Android Lures:
1- Default apps. I'd rather be able to pick my own favorite apps for maps (Google Maps), Google Photos and email (Edison Mail). Generally a lot of the Apple default apps are not great. Google services are generally better and you can pick whatever apps you want. Apple maps is still about 5 years behind Google maps.
2- Siri is still pretty dumb. I can use it for cooking timers but that's about it.
3- the AI for Google is about 10-15 years ahead of Apple and it's not clear that Apple is even remotely getting closer. Something in the DNA over there is just wrong for this. the idea of Apple doing a self driving car seems fanciful since Siri and their maps apps are so behind. Siri Driven car=deathwish.
4- Google Assistant. SLICK. There is an iOS Version of Google assistant but it's nowhere near as cool and integrated as the Android version.

If Android actually got an iMessage app it might consider me to switch again but I think the next 3 years at least it will be unlikely I'd try Android and Apple has actually increased it's lead in many areas.

 

[ANTAWNM26]

iMessage plain and simple. If google can get their messaging right n on par with iMessage I would def go back. It’s kind of tiresome keep hearing reliability etc Android is reliable they iOS/Android have their issues

 

[FFR]

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That chart shows when idle. There is another similar one that show for a typical day usage which like I said iPhone sends 70-80% the amount an Android sends.

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The chart doesn’t show that.

iPhone 1.4MBa day at 17.9 requests an hour
Vs
Android 11.3MB a day at 90 requests an hour

If an iPhone uses google services, requests and data is half that of android at 5.6MB per day at 50 requests per hour.

Good thing I stopped using google services.

So iOS vs android 10x is right.


Now we know why android battery life is so terrible at idle, well compared to the iPhone.

 

[mib1800]

The chart doesn’t show that.

iPhone 1.4MBa day at 17.9 requests an hour
Vs
Android 11.3MB a day at 90 requests an hour

If an iPhone uses google services, requests and data is half that of android at 5.6MB per day at 50 requests per hour.

Good thing I stopped using google services.

So iOS vs android 10x is right.


Now we know why android battery life is so terrible at idle, well compared to the iPhone.

Did you not read or just doing selective reading?

That diagram where iPhone sends 50-80% amount is when Google products are NOT used.

Those usage/requests are accounted for by other typical 3rd party web sites, apps or services which use Google.

So yeah... iPhone is also pretty screwed for those who have Google or privacy phobia.

 

[Grimham]

So my reason for why iOS is my preference over android has been restrengthen recently with visual proof.

The new Note 9 which is an overclocked snapdragon 845 is faster than the Samsung S9 which beat the iPhone X in real world test when opening and closing apps when the first S9 released.

Now with an iOS beta 12 update, we see last years X beating the Note 9 that was just released.

Wow.

Not to mention ALL iPhones back to the 5S will see an increase in performance when iOS 12 goes live!

Looks like they improved the hell out of RAM management.

He didn't say he had it in High Performance mode. He should have switched that on. But between my S9+ and my iPhone X, the S9 kills it in speed.
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Thanks for the video.

After processing that 8k video the note 9 couldn’t really keep Any apps open in the background even with double the memory compared to the x.

The iPhone X plus is shaping up to be a beast.

It's okay, not like anyone would produce an 8k video anyways. He did that to make the X win anyways.

 

[akash.nu]

I mean reports just keep coming out and some people still couldn’t care less.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/08/22/android-sends-data-google-10-times-ios-to-apple/

 

[m0sher]

I mean reports just keep coming out and some people still couldn’t care less.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/08/22/android-sends-data-google-10-times-ios-to-apple/

Sure iOS collects some data but Google is 10x worse. Debate over.