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NJRonbo

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Well, the real question is, if they don't stand behind it, can you afford the time it will take to argue with them to get a fully working machine again ?

Again, I am not worried.

This would be a further HUGE embarrassment for Apple if the new 2018 models with a third-generation keyboard had the same issues.
 
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jerwin

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MacWorld's take:

https://www.macworld.com/article/3289507/macs/macbook-pro-apple-custom-processor.html

A speed boost is nice and all, but the MacBook Pro will spend at least another year without adding much to the general laptop conversation. While brands like Microsoft, Lenovo, and Huawei have been innovating with designs and concepts that push the PC into the future, Apple’s laptops are still stuck in the past, despite their individual performance gains.

If that’s going to change, Apple needs to take control of the MacBook Pro’s most important component: the processor.
 

The Mercurian

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A speed boost is nice and all, but the MacBook Pro will spend at least another year without adding much to the general laptop conversation. While brands like Microsoft, Lenovo, and Huawei have been innovating with designs and concepts that push the PC into the future, Apple’s laptops are still stuck in the past, despite their individual performance gains.

If that’s going to change, Apple needs to take control of the MacBook Pro’s most important component: the processor.


Wow can't agree with that
 
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eltoslightfoot

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For me it is a personal machine so 16GB is fine. It comes down to screen real estate vs weight trade off in the 13 v 15 debate. With Quad Core 13s, the 13 v 15 CPU difference will be lost on me. And I don’t believe I need the dGPU.
Most people honestly don't. Intel's GPU is honestly decent these days.
 
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MichaelDT

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Laptops are becoming niche products for Apple. It’s not going to get much cheaper, to justify development they have to charge through the roof. It’s become obvious that within 10 years the Mac as we know it is headed to the grave with the Apple II and Lisa. Soo... just wait for that. Or you could just make a pretend one out of cardboard and imagine all it’s cool features, that may be your best scenario at this point with all your disappointment with Apple. A sort of CardboardBook Pro.
 

roland.g

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Most people honestly don't. Intel's GPU is honestly decent these days.
So I went by a store yesterday and looked at them. No doubt the 15” is nicer for movies and Photos. That might really make the decision. Quad Core 13 is nice. But the bigger screen is hard to overlook and the weight difference is not that noticeable. I know 15s get cramped on a tray table which is likely the only time I would watch a movie on it, but the larger screen is quite nice.

My options are:

13” 2.3 Quad-Core 16GB 1TB $2,599
15” 2.2 6-Core 16GB 1TB $2,999

But the $400 gives you bigger screen, 6-Core, DDR4 RAM, dGPU.

15” seems to be better value too.
 

nordique

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Wow can't agree with that

Agreed. It’s not the processor that’s their biggest issue, the design is already Looking outdated with the big bezels next to other laptops ... and they need to revisit the keyboard drawing board

Processing power is fine...in fact they surprised with the i9 being a configuration. That’s pretty awesome.
 

linkgx1

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The only reason why I'm getting a Mac is because I'm interested in becoming a developer. So my hands are tied if I want to develop for iOS.
 

eltoslightfoot

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So I went by a store yesterday and looked at them. No doubt the 15” is nicer for movies and Photos. That might really make the decision. Quad Core 13 is nice. But the bigger screen is hard to overlook and the weight difference is not that noticeable. I know 15s get cramped on a tray table which is likely the only time I would watch a movie on it, but the larger screen is quite nice.

My options are:

13” 2.3 Quad-Core 16GB 1TB $2,599
15” 2.2 6-Core 16GB 1TB $2,999

But the $400 gives you bigger screen, 6-Core, DDR4 RAM, dGPU.

15” seems to be better value too.
I would probably eat the $400 and go big when you put it that way. :D
 

macgeek18

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Honestly I'm at a point I can't stomach buying a new MacBook Pro period. I do not like the fact I can't upgrade RAM and storage in my own time and when I need the upgrade. My 2012 13" MBP has been upgraded multiple times over the last 5 years of ownership and I want the ability to do that again. But that is the new world we live in. Even Thinkpad's have soldered on RAM now.....
 
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leman

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Ah, welcome to the stagnating PC world. Yes, there is no doubt that next year revision will be better. Intel will hopefully figure out their 10nm process and we can have some new chips with new architecture and features (rather then still squeezing last drops out of the poor 3 year old Skylake). And Nvidia+AMD will hopefully manage to release some new GPUs, instead of constantly rebranding their 2+ year old GPUs.

Still, the current refresh is neat. Two additional cores can be useful for a large group of pros and the incremental efficiency improvements are quite welcome as well. I hoped for mobile Vega, but AMD is chasing some other goals, as it seems.
 
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Momo13Drums

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I think if you're in the market for a new laptop, specifically a Macbook Pro, the new 2018 models are a great option. They're a very decent upgrade from the 2017 models. The only thing I hate is the price.... yikes. I've personally never owned a MBP or any other Mac, and I've never spent more than $1200 for a laptop. Granted, this was 7 years ago.

I am now, however, at a point where I can stomach the price because I expect to utilize the MBP for many years to come to create income. At some point the cost of the MBP cancels itself out and continues to generate income when used as a creative device. So I can chalk it up to a business expense.

Plus, if they redesign in 2020 - I could wait until 2021 or 2022 to upgrade for them to work out the "kinks" in the new design. If you look at it this way, I think 2018 right now is the perfect time to buy. You'll get a solid 4-5 years out of a machine before moving onto a new design that's already been tested for a couple years and is somewhere in the middle/end of it's maturity cycle making it another solid product.
 

Mr. Dee

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I personally I'm going to hold out until the 2019 is released. My 2015 will have had a somewhat good run, then again, Macs have such a good longevity, I could probably take it beyond that.
 
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Queen6

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One of the most significant updates to the MBP ever. As long as they perform as advertised there's no reason to wait with the 2nd or 3rd iteration of design generally being the best.

Keyboard is clearly different, but how well it stands up remains to be seen. You either like or dislike the feel of the keyboard, port solution & Touchbar simple as that.

If my primary notebook was a 2015 MBP I would replace it with a 2018 with the sole caveat that the keyboard has no issue.

Q-6
 

Mr. Dee

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One of the most significant updates to the MBP ever. As long as they perform as advertised there's no reason to wait with the 2nd or 3rd iteration of design generally being the best.

Keyboard is clearly different, but how well it stands up remains to be seen. You either like or dislike the feel of the keyboard, port solution & Touchbar simple as that.

If my primary notebook was a 2015 MBP I would replace it with a 2018 with the sole caveat that the keyboard has no issue.

Q-6
I'll be in the states in early 2019, so we'll see. I have an issue with impulse buys, you never know. :)
 

Nozuka

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I would definitely not buy a new one if i had a 2015 or newer model, unless you really need a faster CPU. Most people don't.

To be honest, even my 2012 MBP Retina is still running fine. I just wanted a new machine after 6 years ;)
Also wanted a smaller device and the 13'' finally got 4 cores.
 

haruhiko

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The 2022 one will be even better. Hear me out, it will have new cpu, ram, storage! Just wait. Guess what? It will still be worse than the one in 2030, if your life is long enough, you should wait for the next few decades. There won’t be any notebook by the current form too.

I will keep using my paper notebook at the moment. :p
 

KensaiMage

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A lot of forum members are rejoicing today; it truly is a moment of relief. Many will finally upgrade their 2009 and even 2015 models. The 2018 revision is a substantial upgrade in many ways: 32 GBs of 'DDR4 RAM' (finally), T2 chip, Hey Siri, Bluetooth 5.0, Core i9, 4 TB SSD option, standard 4 GB video card. What more could you ask for?

Well, the new MacBook Pro feels like scramble to quiet the doubters. If you follow the community here on the forums and on social media, you read the comments. Apple is not innovating anymore; the touchbar is useless; the keyboard is crappy; everyone is doing DDR4 except Apple.

The new MacBook Pro starts to look more like a check box for feeds and speeds. Its not about bringing performance to the table with true value and innovation.

It still does not correct a lot of whats still wrong with this new generation:

- The keyboard is said to be better improved in terms of being quieter but it could potentially still fail. Its possible Apple was working on correcting it for this 3rd gen update, but time was against them, so they had to release what was available. This suggest, the actual improved keyboard will be coming in the June 2019 revision.

- After Phil Schillers insistence on going with LPDDR3 RAM then backtracking by going around it with a larger battery, there will be a potential for impact on battery life. We don't know for sure, but we will likely see the results over the coming months. In 2019, we will see the right type of DDR4 RAM accompanied by Canonlake which will lead to guaranteed performance and improved battery life. Apple might also pull out another surprise, built to order 64 GB configuration.

- Apple is still doing 256 GB of storage on the entry level 15 inch. Maybe, just maybe, Apple will bump this to 512 on the 15 inch model in next years rev.

- We have been on 14 NM process technology since Broadwell; since then, its been only 14+++. The 10 NM technology is coming for sure with Canonlake with guaranteed performance improvements across the board. Wouldn't you rather just jump from that Early 2015 MBP 13 inch with Broadwell to that? You would certainly be seeing more bang for your buck.

- Graphics seems to be at a stand still on the MacBook Pro, its not considered the best of breed. Its possible the work between Intel and AMD will require a little more time to deliver the value Apple needs. This would suggest we will see a more uniform lineup instead of the have and have not configurations we now see on 13 and 15 models.

- Bluetooth 5.0 is the only substantial network upgrade, but Apple is likely to introduce 802.11AD which will promise GB downloads. So, thats something you might want to wait for.

- The default and customized configurations are very expensive, even if you can afford it. I think Apple is using the best, but the best cost a lot. If you want to rollout all of these to a team of videopgraphers, its an expensive investment. The new generation has yet to see an attractive price drop. With 2019 likely to be the last of this generation, I think Apple will for the first time introduce a price drop and or more affordable specs.

- The year 2019 will be the last of this revision before Apple embarks on a redesign. This itself would make it worth the wait. The 2015 was the last revision of the MBP introduced in 2012 and so far it has been a reliable purchase. I think if you want to avoid 2016 all over again, the 2019 would be the best way to save yourself from the disadvantages of early adopter syndrome.

- Knowing that macOS 10.15 will be our first full taste of running iOS optimized apps for Mac, there is likely to be exclusive synergies between the 2019 MBP and 10.15. Yes, upsell, which means, if you want to use whatever new snazzy feature Apple introduces in 10.15 exclusive only to 2019 MBPs, example: Continuity requiring certain model Macs; or Apple Watch used to authenticate on your Mac.

So, those are just some of my thoughts. If you have been running a 2013 or earlier MBP, you will likely find the value out of the 2018 revision, but if you can stretch and squeeze a little more, you might get a way better reward in 2019.

Do you think we will see Ice Lake processors and LPDDR4 memmory in 2019 MBPs?
 

Ethosik

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You have posted these since the 2016 release. I guarantee you we will be seeing this same post in 2019.

If you need one now, get one now

What I find so hilarious about these "too expensive" or "wait" posts, is that other people come in mentioning that they are using ~2010 laptops to get their work done. Did the 2010 laptop have 64GB of RAM? Did it have 8GB+ of GPU? Did it have more than 6 cores? If not, how are you possibly getting work done but demand that 64GB of RAM is needed for your work yet you mention I am still using 2010-2013 laptops?
 

satchmo

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If at all possible, don't buy a first gen product...even from Apple.

This MBP is the 3rd iteration of the resdesign in 2016. I think it's safe and a decent buy (still a tad expensive IMO).
No device is going to satisfy everyone...and you can't keep waiting because technology is constantly changing.
 
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Ethosik

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If at all possible, don't buy a first gen product...even from Apple.

This MBP is the 3rd iteration of the resdesign in 2016. I think it's safe and a decent buy (still a tad expensive IMO).
No device is going to satisfy everyone...and you can't keep waiting because technology is constantly changing.

Thank you for saying it is "expensive" and not "overpriced". I wish people would stop doing spec comparisons because it is more than just 5 components that makes a Mac a Mac compared to the other systems out there.

You get what you need. If someone only plays Terraria a GTX 1080 is "too expensive" for them and they can get by with really just iGPU from the processor.
 
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