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Why I think the 2019 MacBook Pro is a Recommended Wait - Hear Me Out.

Bigger gpu in the same or thinner body. Higher res means more power usage. Where is the battery capacity for this ? where will the heat go ? Apple's obsession with thinness even for pro models does not make these things feasible.

Does anybody think there is a possibility for apple to release a totally new and really pro model which is not focused on being thin ?
 
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I'm not sure i'd recommend waiting. That has always seem sort of overly rational (like OCD or something).

Then again, Intel is presently pawning off old, repackaged tech, because they are......Intel :D
 
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You can get stuck waiting forever since there is always something better coming down the line. You’re basing your argument on a lot of assumptions, and what happens if they don’t pan out? Personally if I had the money to upgrade now I’d take the upgrade now and be happy with a solid upgrade instead of hoping for something better in a year and being stuck with a slow computer in the meantime.
 
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Mr. Dee said:
Redesigns require a lot of time and engineering. Also, Apple is not gonna include a significant technology technology like Face ID just yet. Reasons include, its likely to require a lot of work; maybe including a A11 Bionic chip to supply that functionality; Apple might want to make Face ID an exclusive up sell for the 2020.

Reducing bezels doesn't seem to be much a priority for Apple, but with iPhone X seeming to influencing the design of other apple products, we might see a near infinity display ala based on the mockups of the suggested 2018 iPad Pro.

As I mentioned, the AMD Vega/Intel is likely to be mature by next year. Between now and July 2019 and Apple could push this out to even late July.

Canonlake is already in production, but its mostly Core i3 yields. As I said, between now and July 2019 is a long time, thats 1 whole year away. Intel will certainly have it ready. Apple could mix things up and push out the launch to October 2019.
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cannon lake in production is a bit of a stretch. I've seen them in limited supply low end demo laptops but not scale and as you know not the high end chips we need. Like I hope they have CL next year but Intel hasn't met a deadline it hasn't missed yet. Especially those higher end chips have big yield problems.

I don't think Face ID takes any more chip wise than TouchId does in terms of security chips which the MBP already has. They just need the camera setup which is as small as existing camera on MBP. I'd guess it's more of a software issue getting MacOS ready than a hardware one.
 
The logic of "last model before a major redesign" is good, provided Apple don't surprise us and spring the redesign in 2019. And of course it will be months before we know empirically whether the new keyboard is more reliable, but if it isn't we won't be sure that the 2019 will be either. Eventually the storage tiers will be better priced, but will it be next year, or will they wait until the redesign and use that as an excuse to raise prices again?

There are risks in waiting as well.

Personally I'd say that if you don't need an upgrade this year, don't do one (but I'll always say that about anything: over-consumption is one of our species' biggest problems). If you do need an upgrade we've had a much more significant step up this year than recently, even if some things we'd have liked haven't happened, so this is not a bad time to do it. Personally I need to upgrade my storage and RAM and wouldn't mind a fresher battery, so I'm not unhappy settling for this year's models.
 
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I expect waiting an extra year to partially cancel out the 40-odd percent price increase since last time I upgraded will just mean I catch Apple’s next price increase, they can’t have me screwing their shareholders by paying more for a machine but less frequently now can they :p
 
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Well obviously you don't do much with your computer otherwise you would be sick of sending it back to get fixed and being without a computer when you could be getting work done.
Sounds like you could get by with an IPAD.

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And the same thing will happen with the 2018 keyboards if defective -- perhaps moreso since this was something Apple should have fixed. I am not worried.
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There is always 'NEXT YEAR', right. And I heard this every year that we should wait for a new update.
But some people will just buy it, they will not consider so much. Besides, they use their own monry, not yours.
 
Wouldn't you be better off using a desktop then?


Kevinfinity said:
As a content creator, I really need a Mac that has the new generation of configuration to provide me the smooth work flow capability. In my position, I cannot use a computer that’s out dated and I always tracing for the fastest machine I can get. People who saying something like 2013 MacBook Pro still work very fine and could still finish the job with no issue and suggest to wait one more year is just nonsense for me. So before giving such suggestion, please also clarify what you use the MacBook Pro for and how fast you can get your job done by using it. 2018 model is what I am looking for in the past three years and I ordered 15” with highest specs with no hesitation. Like what I said in the first page of this thread, I will using the 2018 15” Model and patiently waiting for the 2020 or 2021 version to be released if they have a big jump again.
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maflynn said:
I think I'll be able to get at least 100 dollars worth of usage out of my MBP by buying the 2018 over waiting and hoping for the 2019.
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Its just one of many variables, but I did mention component costs in another reply. So, a 4 TB SSD might not cost $3,200, instead a $1,600; a Core i9 might come standard on the $2,800 model.
 
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Its just one of many variables, but I did mention component costs in another reply. So, a 4 TB SSD might not cost $3,200, instead a $1,600; a Core i9 might come standard on the $2,800 model.
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At least on the CPU side: it's the case that the Core i9s have inflated price/performance from Intel, on account of the fact that the people opting for those are often doing so for business/professional purchases. As such, I don't expect future iterations to ever feature an i9 CPU as standard.

Having today's Core i9 performance as standard on the laptop of tomorrow - perhaps, but this has more or less always been the case.
 
greenmeanie said:
Wouldn't you be better off using a desktop then?
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I have a highest specs iMac 27'' late 2015 model it's still working perfectly for me. And I also travel a lot in a year. So I also need a powerful Macbook pro to be carried around with me. Personally, I do not prefer to spend a lot to buy a luxury car and upgrade it with the premium package. But for a computer as a tool, I am willing to pay a lot to save my time and make my day easier.
 
Bob1985 said:
Life is short.

I say:

1) Buy the 2018. Sell your current machine on eBay.
2) Buy the 2019. Sell the 2018 on eBay.
3) etc.

Enjoy your new machine every year.

Life is short.
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This would make more sense in a world without sales tax.
 
So, the thermal issues being tested on the Core i9 model is another one you can add to the list of reasons you might want to wait this out until Apple refines and gets it right with Canonlake.
 
Mr. Dee said:
So, the thermal issues being tested on the Core i9 model is another one you can add to the list of reasons you might want to wait this out until Apple refines and gets it right with Canonlake.
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2019 mbp will have cannonlake?
 
What about thermal in mbp 2019?
Possibly not even 2019 but 2020 mbp will have a better handling on this?
 
cool11 said:
What about thermal in mbp 2019?
Possibly not even 2019 but 2020 mbp will have a better handling on this?
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Anything is possible. I think everyone jumped to conclusions late Tuesday and Wednesday when this news broke. Lets step back a bit and see how a larger body of users push the machine and determine if throttling is a big issue.

Apple can change a few things inside the case without making major changes to the case, but if they are moving towards ARM cpus, that will presumably run cooler, I think they'll be less motivated to make a case change on the intel chipset knowing that they'll be switching over in a year or so. I'm just speculating of course but that's the thought process
 
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cool11 said:
2019 mbp will have cannonlake?
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Whiskey lake is more likely, CNL is causing a lot of issues and I’m not sure it’s even going to have the U and H variants that Apple would want for MBP - most likely only Y and lower end U more suitable for the MacBook and maybe what the MBA would traditionally have used
 
I am a Apple whore and could not wait any longer. Picked up my 15" SG 2.6/16/512 with AC+ yesterday and am loving it.

The big plus for me is it looks like BootCamp has now been updated so when my copy of Win10 Pro arrives tomorrow, I will be in laptop heaven!

Yes, I know I said I would not buy another until I knew for sure the keyboard was fixed but when I tested a keyboard at the store I could tell it was different, more quiet and if it causes any problems, it can be returned.
 
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I think the ARM story for future Macs is gonna turn out to be more practical and conservative. Hint, the T2 chip. Just like how the T2 chip is handling a lot of security in the 2018 MacBook Pro, that will expand to more areas of the system architecture. Intel CPUs are gonna be around primarily as a compatibility layer. Apple will use future WWDC's to encourage developers to target the A14X in the new 2020 MacBook Pro's.
 
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