iPad mini Why I’m keeping my IPad Mini 6

[turbineseaplane]

I’m not pretending it’s not a real issue, nor are those of us who don’t see it. We’re saying it’s not an issue FOR US. Why should you care about us if we aren’t having the problem (for whatever reason)? Is your opinion more important than ours for our personal use? Nobody appointed you Grand Poobah.

You have correctly identified that it doesn't exist for you
Some people are claiming it doesn't exist - period - for anyone

That's who I'm taking issue with...because I want this to hopefully get fixed at some point by Apple
(probably not until next revision, sadly)

(Not taking issue with you or anyone who can't see it -- as long as they don't claim it doesn't exist)

 

[mizzourah]

You have correctly identified that it doesn't exist for you
Some people are claiming it doesn't exist - period - for anyone

That's who I'm taking issue with...because I want this to hopefully get fixed at some point by Apple
(probably not until next revision, sadly)

(Not taking issue with you or anyone who can't see it -- as long as they don't claim it doesn't exist)

But it doesn't exist on my machine - I can claim that all I want because it's true.

I have always agreed that it exits for others - it's all over the place. It clearly does. But that doesn't make it 'every'.

 

[vddobrev]

REMINDER: this thread is about why people are keeping their iPad mini 6. Enough with this jelly.

 

[bobcomer]

If someone can’t detect it, then it’s not a problem TO THEM. To claim that it’s a problem on every single device is to believe like there’s no possibility of variation from device to device. We know that tolerances aren’t so tight that every single device (of tens or hundreds of thousands) will perform exactly the same.

Now that I agree with! If you don't see it, or it doesn't bother you -- it's not a problem, period.

If you see it, it can be a problem, but for you only. Apple helped it along by switching to landscape and made it easier to see, but calling it a physical problem really isn't correct, as it's part of the design of LCD panels. Maybe it's time to design something better. We have electronics fast enough to handle it, so design a panel that refreshes the entire screen at once. (I don't particularly care how, with frambuffers or whatever) I'd kind of hate to pay for it though!

 

[philosophree]

If people disagree, they disagree. People agree to disagree for debate.

If due to the inherent side effects of the technology used we made the universal generalization that the mini 6s have jelly, that would be fine. But, there are also variances, however rare...

Also, we can accept that there are variances in perception/detection of jelly.

It doesn't seem like we'll get to inspect whether it's one or the other (or even a combination of both) when someone claims that their mini doesn't have it.


I see it on mine, but it doesn't bother me or affect my usage. It is still an overall upgrade over my mini 5. That is why I'm keeping it.

 

[Macintosh101]

As far as I can tell, every single Mini has this issue, it’s just about individual perception of it.

- My two returns have both had it (I’ve decided to see if I can get used to it.)

- every single Mini I looked at across 2 separate apple stores had it.

- my gf’s brother works in an Apple retail store- I asked him about it and he said all the new Minis he had seen exhibited it, but the extent to which he and different staff members could ‘see’ it varied wildly, with some not being able to see it at all.

 

[LibbyLA]

As far as I can tell, every single Mini has this issue, it’s just about individual perception of it.

- My two returns have both had it (I’ve decided to see if I can get used to it.)

- every single Mini I looked at across 2 separate apple stores had it.

- my gf’s brother works in an Apple retail store- I asked him about it and he said all the new Minis he had seen exhibited it, but the extent to which he and different staff members could ‘see’ it varied wildly, with some not being able to see it at all.

Sample size of what? 10, 20, 30? Of how many tens or hundreds of thousands?

 

[Realityck]

All I can say is shortly I will have purple mini 6 at home, some stores got a few more in, and it beats waiting for deliveries of Nov 1-8 currently.

 

[vddobrev]

Enough has been said about the jelly. I tried the ufo test on my 4K 27” Dell monitor, which is considered a very good monitor. In horizontal scroll, boy those lines are waves, and I mean huge waves. Do I use this monitor professionally every day? Yes! With my Mac Pro, and I swipe horizontally between full screen apps numerous times a day!!! Do I see the jelly? No!!!

I enjoy this thread because I will be buying the iPad mini when it is available in my country - Bulgaria - and we don’t have the privilege of returning! A purchase is considered a sales contract, binding and irreversible! Once you buy it, it is yours to keep. You have to make up your mind looking at the display iPad. Like it - buy it. You can’t return it! If defective it goes to repair, no exchange. So, people from other parts of the world, like USA, are privileged.

Therefore, let’s keep this thread on track so that people like me can benefit, i.e. I want to read the good stuff here in this thread. Peace.

 

[sparksd]

Got my 256GB Cellular today and it's a keeper - an excellent complement to my 2021 12.9.

 

[NoBoMac]

Moderator Note:

Posts have been deleted. Stop the bickering.

 

[ofarlig]

Sample size of what? 10, 20, 30? Of how many tens or hundreds of thousands?

Well it is just a matter of physics, the way we make our screens means that there will be a difference in time between when the first and last pixel is updated. So it is literally impossible to have no delay, the question is rather if the delay is perceivable by humans or not.

Since it is perceivable on the fastest displays available to consumers for any unit it stands to reason that the variances in unit to unit for the Mini won’t be large enough to push it into the territory where a human cannot perceive it anymore.

It is kind of important to be aware of what is causing this and that it is present on every device. Because that means you cannot replace the unit until you get a “good one”. If you see it you have to decide if you can live with it or not.

 

[LibbyLA]

If you see it you have to decide if you can live with it or not.

And that is it in a nutshell. There are legitimate reasons for not being able to live with it and if you can’t, you can’t, especially if it causes physical reactions like eye strain or fatigue. However, there are probably plenty of us who either don’t see it or see it and aren’t bothered by it. I use my iPads in landscape orientation 99+% of the time so it’s not a “thing” for me.

You can probably pick nearly any product at any price point and find some people who love it and some people who can’t stand it (whether it’s a preference or an actual negative impact from the product). You couldn’t give me a Mac but I’m probably in a very small minority here.

People drive certain makes/models of pickup trucks knowing full well that that particular model has more problems with (insert expensive component like engine or drive train) than others. Whatever they like about that vehicle outweighs that particular negative.

People can’t even agree on something simple and inexpensive like toilet tissue or paper towels or facial tissue. There are people who like extra soft or extra thick or aloe or wider sheets and are willing to pay extra for it and those who are happy with less expensive brands that aren’t as plush.

 

[Realityck]

Nothing about the one I received bothered me after couple of hours usage. The setup/transfer was easy, landscape stereo speakers really stand out compared to almost zero separation placed around the lightning port on the mini 5. Max and Min display brightness levels are the same. Just wish the 3rd party cases were available, give or take 2 or 3 more weeks that should happen. Current Targus case I used for the mini 5 does fit this mini 6, but cover the left speakers, volume controls and part of the camera, so shouldn't be much effort to produce newer cases.

 

[Fluttershy462]

Above all else, the cost was so minimal that it’s not worth going with the return process.

 

[1rottenapple]

We went on a road trip last Saturday from LA to Santa Barbara for 1:30 hrs to pick up a 13 pro, then drove 3 hrs to Bakersfield and then another 1.5ths back home. So yah I’m keeping my mini.

 

[ofarlig]

And that is it in a nutshell. There are legitimate reasons for not being able to live with it and if you can’t, you can’t, especially if it causes physical reactions like eye strain or fatigue. However, there are probably plenty of us who either don’t see it or see it and aren’t bothered by it. I use my iPads in landscape orientation 99+% of the time so it’s not a “thing” for me.

You can probably pick nearly any product at any price point and find some people who love it and some people who can’t stand it (whether it’s a preference or an actual negative impact from the product). You couldn’t give me a Mac but I’m probably in a very small minority here.

People drive certain makes/models of pickup trucks knowing full well that that particular model has more problems with (insert expensive component like engine or drive train) than others. Whatever they like about that vehicle outweighs that particular negative.

People can’t even agree on something simple and inexpensive like toilet tissue or paper towels or facial tissue. There are people who like extra soft or extra thick or aloe or wider sheets and are willing to pay extra for it and those who are happy with less expensive brands that aren’t as plush.

Of course not everyone will notice it or care, it is all very subjective. But it is very important to be clear on that this is something that happens on every display LCD/OLED display we make today (in varying degrees) and the differences are with the users. So people who notice it haven’t got a “bad unit” so a replacement wouldn’t work better. We don’t want to feed into some myth that makes people buy and return 5 units in search of “a good one”. They are all more or less the same.

 

[Realityck]

Of course not everyone will notice it or care, it is all very subjective. But it is very important to be clear on that this is something that happens on every display LCD/OLED display we make today (in varying degrees) and the differences are with the users. So people who notice it haven’t got a “bad unit” so a replacement wouldn’t work better. We don’t want to feed into some myth that makes people buy and return 5 units in search of “a good one”. They are all more or less the same.

All retailers use a datebase to identify parties that abuse the return/exchange process that stores offer. So you can't buy and return 5 units, one after another. This database also is accessed by multiple store chains, so really abusing the return/exchange can lead to sales being final when a customers purchase is being verified. Yes you are warned beforehand. This is what's known as banned from making returns. One of the companies that sells this service is https://www.theretailequation.com

 

[ofarlig]

All retailers use a datebase to identify parties that abuse the return/exchange process that stores offer. So you can't buy and return 5 units, one after another. This database also is accessed by multiple store chains, so really abusing the return/exchange can lead to sales being final when a customers purchase is being verified. Yes you are warned beforehand.

That might be true in the US but the vast majority of the worlds population does not live there, what you are saying is not true here in the EU for example. It can be tracked by the store itself of course but there are no databases shared between the stores, such databases would most likely be illegal to keep in the EU to begin with.

In the EU the returns are even mandated by law when purchasing online so every online retailer will have a 14 day return period which opens up for a lot of places to buy once and return if you believe the units you have been receiving are a bad one.

Either way it is a very unnecessary idea to spread around since it isn’t factual, just decide if you like the device or not because it is what it is.

 

[Realityck]

Either way it is a very unnecessary idea to spread around since it isn’t factual, just decide if you like the device or not because it is what it is.

One would think worldwide consumers laws don't permit unlimited non-faulty product exchanges. Otherwise it would put some vendors out of business. Remember in this example it has to be repackaged, tested, before it can be resold as refurbished.

see https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...cts-returned-in-14-day-return-period.2093597/

 

[ofarlig]

One would think worldwide consumers laws don't permit unlimited non-faulty product exchanges. Otherwise it would put some vendors out of business. Remember in this example it has to be repackaged, tested, before it can be resold as refurbished.

see https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...cts-returned-in-14-day-return-period.2093597/

I mean a store can always just refuse to sell to you again if they think you abuse it, but then you can always go to another store instead. Sharing such things in a database wouldn’t fly here.

What I meant was that it is unnecessary to spread an idea about there being good and bad units just because it will just make some people buy and return units in search of the good one. Better to be clear about every unit being the same and the difference is in wether or not you as a user can notice it or not.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Nothing about the one I received bothered me after couple of hours usage. The setup/transfer was easy, landscape stereo speakers really stand out compared to almost zero separation placed around the lightning port on the mini 5. Max and Min display brightness levels are the same. Just wish the 3rd party cases were available, give or take 2 or 3 more weeks that should happen. Current Targus case I used for the mini 5 does fit this mini 6, but cover the left speakers, volume controls and part of the camera, so shouldn't be much effort to produce newer cases.

I bought a Moko one for now. I will probably end up getting one of the Apple folio cases but I haven’t decided on the colour yet. I like the cherry one, the purple one and the orange one. I’ve got a purple moko case and it goes well with the space grey. It does the job for now.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I mean a store can always just refuse to sell to you again if they think you abuse it, but then you can always go to another store instead. Sharing such things in a database wouldn’t fly here.

What I meant was that it is unnecessary to spread an idea about there being good and bad units just because it will just make some people buy and return units in search of the good one. Better to be clear about every unit being the same and the difference is in wether or not you as a user can notice it or not.

Some people will always do that in search of perfection, even without any identified issues. We have the usual iPhone threads about doing 13 exchanges in pursuit of the perfect screen. Personally I would have given up after the second. I would either live with it or just return it and never buy it again. I don’t have a lot of time to waste going backwards and forwards to the Apple store and I’d only end up buying other things that I didn’t need.

 

[davidako]

Above all else, the cost was so minimal that it’s not worth going with the return process.

You just click “request return” in the Apple Store app then drop it off.

 

[MrGimper]

Wow, this thread de-railed!

One person's jelly is another person's normal
One person's p*ss yellow screen is another person's normal warm screen
One person's "no scratches on my display" is another person's "hundreds of micro-scratches in the right light"
One person's no backlight bleed is another persons "terrible bleed at 100% brightness on a black scrren in a pitch-black cupboard
One person's Antennagate is another person's no Antennagate (I'm left-handed, never affeted me)

The only way to establish if jelly is universal is to take 2 people, each with a mini 6, one that can see jelly on theirs and another who can't .... and then get them to swap devices.