in era green and black, this quite good. nobody known much apple those 198X 199X era. While that era "prince of persia " hahah
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Seems you are looking at Apple as a kind of god like entity, so everything they do is right, and everyone has to follow suit or leave. (Ironically, this stance is actually totally "un-Apple-ish" if you look where they are coming from. It just like reversed roles in the 1984 commercial.)
So it seems you have a hard time accepting that not everyone is on this train. And no I guess nobody here excepts that Apple changes their design just because of me or you. But you are totally missing the point here.
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I still know that area, around this time I had first contact with Mac. That design was indeed professional, and absolutely groundbreaking. I mean just compare this screenshot to your modern desktop and realize how little actually has changed. Truly withstanding the test of time!
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Exactly! I also fall in this trap from time to time when I assume others are using a GUI just like me ... so wrong. There were many occasions where I was really surprised what users actually do, things I would have never thought of.
uh.. no. i have my own issues with apple; there are things i love (and things i don't) about the OSes, & the hardware (both the macs and the iphones).
but i also live in the real world, and know that ranting on an internet forum is not going to get apple to change anything.
Please keep in mind though that you're on an online forum where tech enthusiasts come together to discuss Apple's products and that will always involve complaints. Perhaps unintentionally, but your posts are coming off a bit aggressive and dismissive to anyone bringing up complaints about the new OS. If your response is simply to "live in the real world and get over it" then you may want to avoid this thread (unless you just enjoy the complaining - which admittedly I do).
The internet offers people an outlet for the "rants" you describe, it's just how it is.
OK, so you imply that others do not live in "the real world" (what is this anyway)? And you again assume things that are simply not true, and only seem to exist in your "real world".
And, at least Apple has shown with their recent hardware designs that at least to a certain point they are indeed willing (or rather forced?) to listen to their customers, for example with the MBP 16". Not sure where the driving force to this changes actually and exactly came from, but you cannot rule out per 100% that Apple actually also scans some forums to get feedback (and MR is one of the biggest anyways).
PS: it also annoys me when someone is critising something - including the reason WHY someone has this POV, which is btw the difference between "just complaining" and "criticism" - and people say "you are just complaining".
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Same.
I hated icons in iOS 7, and I still hate them today.
macOS Big Sur looks pretty good overall, but those icons... at least the macOS counterpart looks better than on iOS.
Well, it's all a matter of taste, but I sadly have to admit that the interface looks very unpolished to me. I'm afraid that this is gonna be like that across all systems, that is macOS, iOS etc. The first thing I said after installing iOS 14 PB was, I miss Johny Ive...
I dont hate it. I dont like it but I dont hate it. There needs to be a bit of polishing. I hope that they remove the roundrect from the menubar drop-down hover. I would like for more contrast to be added to the light theme. The trash stands out on the dock as it does not conform to the icons being used in the dock.
Those are my only gripes about the UI.
Those are my only gripes about the UI.
Well not anymore, and your opinions are more ranting against others for their personal opinions/criticism about Apple decisions. Some people don’t have Apple as some god.
I dislike the design, icons are fugly, and the contrast make you blind.
you should probably read what i write before responding. i've pointed out that i have my own issues with apple, am not a fanboy.. just a fan. my point is, i discuss things here, i don't whine about what i don't like.
then there's this: "I dislike the design, icons are fugly, and the contrast make you blind."
but apparently, you're wrong! ppl here will explain why, then expect you to 'understand'. it's obvious, apple (a hugely-successful corporation, for some reason), spent a lot of time on big sur, but when they got to the GUI, said, 'ah, to hell with it, let some intern in accounting knock out a few icons') 🙄
Especially from you I expect absolutely nothing, and of course not any understanding in any way. It almost seems to me you are just a troll, at least you are acting as one. Nobody talked about interns btw, but for you the formula seems "huge corporation + (financial) success = ALWAYS good products, so users have to just shut up". And thats so far from reality, it is not even funny anymore.
"And thats so far from reality, it is not even funny anymore."
i full agree. as for the rest, i stand by my comments.
i've been on this forum a long time (i know that doesn't give me any special rights); but have gotten help here, and helped many as well. just find it tiresome that, beyond the help threads and lively discussion, there's so much whining and ranting. but so it goes, people need a place to vent, and what better place than an internet forum?
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Anybody remember CandyBar by Panic? 
It’s sad that security is reducing the customisability of our Macs. Didn’t OS 9 even let you change the system font?
It’s sad that security is reducing the customisability of our Macs. Didn’t OS 9 even let you change the system font?
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People have been saying this, but IMO it hasn't really been true.
Yes, SIP prevents you from modifying system files. But, you can turn SIP off in five minutes—it just takes one quick trip to recovery mode, and you will never be bothered again. Catalina made things a little bit harder with it's read-only boot partition, but you could work around that with a Terminal command. Place a launchd plist to remount rootfs every boot, and you'd never know anything changed.
"But turning off SIP reduces security!" people always point out. But, look dude, you can't have it both ways! Either you want Apple to prevent you from making changes to system files—in which case, leave SIP on, but don't be surprised when you can't change files—or you do want to changes those files, in which case, turn SIP off! If you know what you're doing, it's not such a huge risk.
Big Sur's authenticated root makes things a little more complicated than in Catalina, but it looks like the OS can still function without this, so I'm hopeful that once Big Sur is officially released and the dust has settled, they'll be a more straightforward way to turn off this nonsense.
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One thing I'd love is being able to click on an icon in the taskbar and have previews of all the open windows pop up visually in minuature. It's what Windows does and it makes switching between windows a hell of a lot easier. I recent switched to Mac from Windows. I haven't downloaded any of those apps that are meant to recreate the windows experience, but that is one functionality I truly miss. I would only use it if it was integrated.
In Snow Leopard we had Dock Exposé which was even better—hold down the mouse button on a icon for a few seconds, and you get a quick Exposé view for that app.
I don't know why they got rid of it in Lion. There's not even a defaults write command to turn it back on.
Ugh, that would be perfect for my uses. I often have 5-6+ windows open in several browsers and mission control is crap at letting me see them in a way that means I don't have to just click to open each one and look through it. It's a real productivity issue. I am enjoying MacOS otherwise (though the insanely loud fans on the 16 inch leave something to be desired).In Snow Leopard we had Dock Exposé which was even better—hold down the mouse button on a icon for a few seconds, and you get a quick Exposé view for that app.
I don't know why they got rid of it in Lion. There's not even a defaults write command to turn it back on.
...oh, I should mention, there is an alternative hidden pref you can use, although I don't like it as much. I think it still works...
Code:
defaults write com.apple.dock scroll-to-open -bool TRUE; killall DockInstead of clicking and holding down on a dock icon, hover your cursor over an icon and scroll up.
I sometimes end up triggering it accidentally though.
(and if you don't like it, of course, just run
defaults delete com.apple.dock scroll-to-open; killall Dock)---
By the way, the other thing you can do (in stock macOS without Terminal commands) is activate plain old App Exposé and then click the relevant dock icon. But that's more clicks.
You seem to know a lot about this stuff!
I’d rather have the security, but I do miss and remember fondly the days when “hacking” or skinning Mac OS was more of a thing. Either just swapping resources or using ResEdit etc. We had more time on our hands for that then.
I always liked seeing what people managed to come up with through skinning/themes and custom icon sets etc. There were some really cool ones!