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Why is Big Sur so ugly?
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I highly doubt it. This option is there for those with poor eyesight in the first place, not as the option to make it look sweeter.
well, the first part of your reply, "i highly doubt it" is incorrect, because i personally do like the buttons outlined by making the change and it has nothing to do with my eye sight not being good, i just prefer to see the buttons outlined.
Classic wasn't there for people who weren't ready, it was there for apps that weren't ready.
My point is that it's an accessibility setting. Not an option to customize interface. And some people with normal eyesight even like the greyscale mode or inverted colors for some reason. But that maybe is not even 0,5% of users.
why not let it go already? most of us know about accessibility, for the rest, it might be interesting. for newbies, these finds can have value...
i didn't say it wasn't an accessibility issue, in fact that's exactly what i said it was. all i said was that it changed the looks of the buttons, and that in and of it's self is a customization of the interface, a change from the default settings.
What are you doing, man? Let go what? All I said was that the option is not made for everyone and the vast majority of people would not find it useful or like the way it works. It's valuable for those who want it. That's good with me and good for those who find it useful. I wasn't like suppressing the information about it or saying it doesn't matter.
My response was actually very similar to yours. This whole thread you keep saying that Big Sur looks ok and we should just use it and focus on our work because that's all that matters. And now you have a strong opinion about a tiny feature, which intention is not to customize the user interface for design purposes, and telling me that I should let something go. That's interesting. So after all, are you saying that there's a value in buttons looking like actual buttons?
Yeah, because it's just an accessibility setting, not a theme. All it does is remove transparency - completely - and in some aspects it looks ok, but then there are these hard lines around windows where shadows are supposed to be, and other areas where the whole design looks broken. That's not surprising though, since it's just intended to be a workaround for visual impairment.
Maybe I would like Big Sur more if I was visually impaired.
Edit: It looks like I was a little behind on the accessibility thing. People have already pointed that out. I'll go ahead and take credit for all of it though.
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It's not a customization. There is no cohesive design principle behind that feature, so it's inconsistent and makes some elements look screwed up. By lucky accident, I actually like the look of high contrast finder windows in light mode (on Mojave), but I don't use that option because too many other things look pretty bad.
But since we're on this subject, when I look at Big Sur I'm reminded of the stark white colors of increased contrast, BUT without the benefit of more well-defined details. It's the worst of all worlds, basically.
Yes, and it has nothing to do with me not being able to figure out where buttons are, I just prefer a more natural and clear delineation of visual elements.
you were going back-&-forth, and i made a humble suggestion. this was not an opinion about a 'tiny feature', and i could care less if someone likes what that option does or not.
am also sure i mentioned nothing about 'buttons that look like actual buttons'.
am i repeating myself a lot on this thread? absolutely; i own it. were you stuck in a back-&-forth moment? absolutely
Oh how i miss the golden days of digital design, draw 16 pixels and you were done.
Where was the back-&-forth moment in those two posts of mine? I didn't say that you said anything like 'buttons that look like actual buttons'. Where did you get that? But you did say in this thread many times that buttons don't need to be looking like buttons.
i have NEVER said that 'buttons don't need to look like buttons'... ever. i don't even get what that means. if you think i said it.. find it (but, to save you time, it does not exist)
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casualfanboy.... haha... what? i wasn't responding to you about anything there (unless you're working in league with feyl.... hmmm....).
Man, you don't even understand a simple sentence and you like to often twist what other people say. Maybe it's because English is not my native language but I think I'm able to speak quite correctly and in simple terms. And I have to constantly explain to you the meaning of my posts. I'm not sure you don't get them or you're having fun.
And you said it. This whole thread is basically (but not only) about the need of visual clues and depth to easily recognize elements of different parts of the UI. Your opinion is that we don't need them and should just do our job, because that's what computer is about. And I'm still waiting on my back-&-forth moment.. It's just a page away here to find it.
i understand everything you wrote (i just don't agree with a lot of it).
and that's not my opinion at all... am not saying we don't need visual clues, am saying that your definition of a 'visual clue' is not everyone's, and that most big sur users are working just as they've worked in previous OSes.
i don't know why you need to make this personal, i have no issue with you. i do get annoyed with people who insist that their opinion is fact; but that's nothing new, and not specific to this forum.
i'll focus on the larger issues, and avoid getting into the personal; hopefully, you're good with that too 👍
Nope, that's not it. English is the only language I speak and I've had a hell of a time getting a point across. It's just the nature of the internet.
Response! Reasons! It's just a page away, it's just a page away.... (Gimme Shelter)
I don’t really mind it; it’s a bit more in keeping with various websites, a bit more contemporary looking. But I’m not keen on the weird vertical dialog boxes (especially as they can't be dragged around) nor the fact that it’s difficult to see which window has focus.
More importantly, I wish they’d fix all the bugs… everyday I encounter a little annoyance that wasn’t there before.
More importantly, I wish they’d fix all the bugs… everyday I encounter a little annoyance that wasn’t there before.
Get used to it. Whatever their focus is on these days, if they even have a focus, it's definitely not fixing bugs.
They're a small company with limited resources. Please! Give them time!
There is.
Paint a white or black stripe at the top of your wallpaper. Problem Solved.