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Why is Big Sur so ugly?
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I liked the previous UX better but the 'ugly' that irritates me more is slower restart/shutdown, beach-balling, and the degrading of functionality of the Messages app (WTF?).
I'm still enjoying Mountain Lion here...Still 'just works'
don't sell your Mac, find an older *.ISO image of your preferred OS and either run it in a VM or attempt to boot it on a USB stick..
Mountain Lion actually works on this thing. It's slower in a VM, but can run natively. Only issues are:
1. resolution is stuck at 1024x768, no display driver available.
2. closing the lid (putting Mac to sleep) crashes or kernel panics on wake. You have to login again and reload any apps (also pops up a message saying 'you shut your compuer down due to a problem')
3. No hardware acceleration. Since most of what I do on this is browse MacRumors or check my email, keep up with contact info, notes, and random Reddit, that's not really an issue.
4. Touchbar just acts like function row keys (Esc, F1, F2, etc)
Since it is older, I don't use banking, ebay, Amazon or the like or use accounts (no Apple ID association). But you won't instantly get hacked just for using old software (unless you do sketchy stuff such as view porn, pirate software, etc, then you're pretty much asking for it)
Firefox 30, as old as it is, works perfectly well with Xenforo-based forums such as this one. Even the dark mode option works. I never liked how Quantum-era Firefox became a browser that's intent on 'protecting me from myself'. I'm always more fond of the more open source, hackable Firefox of the pre-Quantum era, back when Mozilla was more like Netscape than trying to be Brave or Chromium.
don't sell your Mac, find an older *.ISO image of your preferred OS and either run it in a VM or attempt to boot it on a USB stick..
Mountain Lion actually works on this thing. It's slower in a VM, but can run natively. Only issues are:
1. resolution is stuck at 1024x768, no display driver available.
2. closing the lid (putting Mac to sleep) crashes or kernel panics on wake. You have to login again and reload any apps (also pops up a message saying 'you shut your compuer down due to a problem')
3. No hardware acceleration. Since most of what I do on this is browse MacRumors or check my email, keep up with contact info, notes, and random Reddit, that's not really an issue.
4. Touchbar just acts like function row keys (Esc, F1, F2, etc)
Since it is older, I don't use banking, ebay, Amazon or the like or use accounts (no Apple ID association). But you won't instantly get hacked just for using old software (unless you do sketchy stuff such as view porn, pirate software, etc, then you're pretty much asking for it)
Firefox 30, as old as it is, works perfectly well with Xenforo-based forums such as this one. Even the dark mode option works. I never liked how Quantum-era Firefox became a browser that's intent on 'protecting me from myself'. I'm always more fond of the more open source, hackable Firefox of the pre-Quantum era, back when Mozilla was more like Netscape than trying to be Brave or Chromium.
I've noticed almost every infotainment system in modern cars seem to still live as if it were 2010. The OS theme in my mom's Hyundai Santa Fe is straight from Android 2.3, down to the green highlights!
Car designs look like TV bezels from 2010 too. Gives me hope at least in the automotive dept. At least, until they go flat in the future (you know it's coming!) Ford's Sync 3 in the 2020 F-150 at work make me worry. It's white, mostly flat (although the LCD between the gauges is still largely skeuo). Then you got the 2020 Lincoln MKC with the gauges that 'grow out of the LCD' literally skeuomorphic. Those needles aren't real!
Aircraft are where Flat UI seems to be default. Airbus A320 'glass cockpit' displays are all flat. But then the standards for glass cockpits debuted in the late 1980s and haven't been updated for quite some time (the FAA knows at least when to leave well enough alone) Although I really loved the Boeing 707 cockpit with that steampunk style instrument panel, call me a lover of old things...I also thought the mechanical bells were superior to the 'whoop whoop pull up!' mess of today. Especially that firebell alarm for an engine fire. Used in a lot of movies incluiding the Airport series and Iron Eagle (used incorrectly though in the latter, and also in Airport '75). The 707 was also a very beautiful plane. Airbus today always feels like an office. Autopilot disconnect sounds like a phone ringing, and the Master Warning alarm reminds me of a seatbelt chime. Don't get me started on the modern 737-MAX MCAS failures. Sometimes newer isn't always better.
I really thought skeuomorphism worked best though in the WebOS of the Palm Pre era. That device was so ahead of its time. Wireless charging, slider keyboard, small size. The skeuo worked perfectly with its gesture navigation system (yes, it had that in 2009!).
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If I get a Mac for my next laptop, I will probably just get a 2020 16" mbp, maybe go for 32mb RAM. It's the only way I can avoid Big Sur. But I'll wait until the next release and see if there is some much-needed back-pedaling on the current design disaster. Knowing Apple, it will take at least 2 years for them to silently and tacitly admit how bad they screwed up. There's still no guarantee they won't just double down though.
that's so ridiculous, that apple will, in "at least" 2 years 'silently' admit they screwed up. how does one 'silently' admit something? and just because you don't like the GUI hardly means it's a 'disaster', it's just a 'disaster' for you.
you'll avoid the architecture of a new OS because of some icons and menu-bar spacing, and similarly ignore the power, speed, and capabilities of the M1, for the same reason. i wish i understood people better...
but i admire your insistence on being right, and knowing what's best... for everyone
The 16" is 20% faster in Cinebench over the M1. Nice big screen too. More RAM/disk options too.that's so ridiculous, that apple will, in "at least" 2 years 'silently' admit they screwed up. how does one 'silently' admit something? and just because you don't like the GUI hardly means it's a 'disaster', it's just a 'disaster' for you.
you'll avoid the architecture of a new OS because of some icons and menu-bar spacing, and similarly ignore the power, speed, and capabilities of the M1, for the same reason. i wish i understood people better...
but i admire your insistence on being right, and knowing what's best... for everyone
you're saying a 16" screen is bigger than a 13" screen? i didn't see that coming. 🤔
let's see how things go with the upcoming macbook pros; either way, most people move forward, not backward. but really, whatever makes someone happy is ok with me... 👍
Apple has their own unique and hilarious way of doing this.
- Release a defective and universally panned butterfly keyboard.
- In the following 3 years, don't ever acknowledge the failure. Instead, create a low-key repair program that is hit or miss in terms of whether Apple will judge your keyboard worthy of fixing.
- 4 long years later, go back to the old keyboard and call it the new and vastly improved keyboard
Then of course we have the tabstrip. And the removal of magsafe which is supposedly coming back. Does Apple ever actually admit anything? No, they revert and call it innovation. 😂
Well yes, I was surprised how you missed that.
hmmm. i was being sarcastic. will assume you're being sarcastic as well. so we're doing good
all of that is pretty clear; but what does this have to do with the big sur GUI... that most people just use, many people like, and a few don't? making something up doesn't make it fact (a fact i admit i to posting often)
Goodness no, I love your laser-like attention to detail.
no? we're not doing good?
ok, will focus on the real discussions, and not waste any more time with these petty posts. and/or i can just watch you & casualfanboy 'like' each others's posts, back & forth, every day.... 🤔
I meant — no sarcasm from me — I enjoy your insights.
Ah, c'mon fisher. Roll with it. Besides, you're stuck with us now. We won't even allow you to leave this discussion.
so it's your fault i keep posting? that explains a lot... 🤣
That's alright. This isn't a strictly fact-based clinical discussion. It would suck pretty bad if it was.
Apple today I can just imagine what goes on there. It's like that Spongebob episode where his brain was full of those little guys and they couldn't figure out his name and then ended in chaos.
Apple in 2021:
Apple in 2021:
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or, it's a giant corporation, with lots of bright, creative people working hard on their projects, business being taken care of, and a future being planned that will drag you even further ahead, thus giving you more to whine about.
is it like that spongebob image, or is it a real business? hmmmm...
Haven’t you yet learned to say never say never?
Better start prepping yourself continued progress back towards non-flat more-intuitive and prettier interfaces.
Admittedly, this is just icons and not an OSX or mobile app, but it’s another obvious cue how the flat design fad/scab is drying up.
Apple's Revamped Apple Music for Artists Icon Leads to Speculation About iOS 15 Design Plans
Apple yesterday updated its Apple Music for Artists app with some minor bug fixes and improvements, but also one other notable change -- a new icon. ...
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this is not neuomorphism.Haven’t you yet learned to say never say never?
Better start prepping yourself continued progress back towards non-flat more-intuitive and prettier interfaces.
Admittedly, this is just icons and not an OSX or mobile app, but it’s another obvious cue how the flat design fad/scab is drying up.
Apple's Revamped Apple Music for Artists Icon Leads to Speculation About iOS 15 Design Plans
Apple yesterday updated its Apple Music for Artists app with some minor bug fixes and improvements, but also one other notable change -- a new icon. ...
😀
I'm not a huge fan of the rounded-square, uniform look for all icons, but hey I'll take a step in the right direction.