i don't understand how a dislike for the flat icons can make a person be so upset that they rage on and on about it. it makes me wonder what they are doing? are they just sitting in front of their computer and staring at the icons, and staring and staring, and saying, "i really hate these flat icons." i bet most are like me, you hardly even look at the icon before you click on it, and from what i read here most of you have almost every known program open anyway. browser with 15 tabs open, mail open, activity monitor open, and on and on, and for most of the time you are on the computer everything is already open anyway and you don't have to look at the icons. p.s. i love my car, but not to crazy about the maintenance icon, but then again i don't just sit there in my car staring at the maintenance icon.
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Why do people always tell us how many tabs they have open in a browser window? We get it.. tabs are a thing.
Does it make one more productive the more tabs they have open? How about saying how many they have open.
I think you are all hiding your eyes from the fact that Big Sur is an eye sore of dimensions. Or is it? There is no right or wrong answer. I have between 6 and 8 tabs open in my browser window that I don't have fullscreen.
Fight!
Does it make one more productive the more tabs they have open? How about saying how many they have open.
I think you are all hiding your eyes from the fact that Big Sur is an eye sore of dimensions. Or is it? There is no right or wrong answer. I have between 6 and 8 tabs open in my browser window that I don't have fullscreen.
Fight!
I don't even do tabs. I hardly open more than three sites and I have each one in a separate browser, that way I can easily swap between them via keyboard and not have to worry about a single browser crash taking all of the sites with it, and making me lose my place on a 300+ comment Reddit thread about why phones are so boring today compared with 2010.
Tabbed browsing (once an option, now mandatory) is yet another solution in search of a problem. Just like USB-C and tablet-sized phones.
My boss's work PC (which I am forced to use at times) has 20+ tabs open in Chrome, and 10 open in Edge. You don't even want to know the memory footprint of those browsers!
Tabbed browsing (once an option, now mandatory) is yet another solution in search of a problem. Just like USB-C and tablet-sized phones.
My boss's work PC (which I am forced to use at times) has 20+ tabs open in Chrome, and 10 open in Edge. You don't even want to know the memory footprint of those browsers!
It's not unusual for me to have 40, 50, or, even, 60+ tabs open when I do my daily rounds of my social media sites. (Oh, and I use Chrome because I'm pretty far into the Google ecosystem.)
How do you recover your spot if the browser crashes? Even if Chrome can successfully recover the tabs (about 10% the time in my case!) you will not be where you were--such as my reading comment #148 of that aforementioned Reddit thread--it just refreshed back to the top.
I use Chrome as well on my Windows 10 laptop, only it's from 2010-got a more recent version from 2019 on my Mac.
Oh, and I've discovered another bottleneck on my Mac--making it run 45 degrees Celcius just reading sites. Not even playing video. Blocked it at the router--"oscp.apple.com". I don't know what it does, but it was pinging my router about 1,000 times an hour, and making it hard-freeze requiring a restart. Seems my Mac is now settled at 33 Celcius and a bit faster.
I use Chrome as well on my Windows 10 laptop, only it's from 2010-got a more recent version from 2019 on my Mac.
Oh, and I've discovered another bottleneck on my Mac--making it run 45 degrees Celcius just reading sites. Not even playing video. Blocked it at the router--"oscp.apple.com". I don't know what it does, but it was pinging my router about 1,000 times an hour, and making it hard-freeze requiring a restart. Seems my Mac is now settled at 33 Celcius and a bit faster.
am headed to the monterey forum and will (yay!) not return (that 'yay!' is my gift to those here who were annoyed i didn't support their whining about big sur).
still, am sure we'll see a lot of the same people, and the same complaints (variations on "why can't the new OS be the way i want it to be"), on the new subforum; should be fun, see you there
still, am sure we'll see a lot of the same people, and the same complaints (variations on "why can't the new OS be the way i want it to be"), on the new subforum; should be fun, see you there
I'm not a masochist to move elsewhere with the same opinions. The Monterey thread will be the same thing as this.am headed to the monterey forum and will (yay!) not return (that 'yay!' is my gift to those here who were annoyed i didn't support their whining about big sur).
still, am sure we'll see a lot of the same people, and the same complaints (variations on "why can't the new OS be the way i want it to be"), on the new subforum; should be fun, see you there
It's the steak, not the sizzle. Cosmetics and trifling variations in usability are sizzle, and will be corrected in a release coming our way soon. Or not, I totally don't care.
I want the macOS steak. With onions, gravy and mashed potatoes. Screw the cosmetics.
So I'm gone from this thread also (yay!). And please, "Stop The Squeal!" and just get on with it. Let's face it, there is no better alternative or you'd be there already. So might many of us who know a thing or two about system architectures. But for entirely different reasons
I want the macOS steak. With onions, gravy and mashed potatoes. Screw the cosmetics.
So I'm gone from this thread also (yay!). And please, "Stop The Squeal!" and just get on with it. Let's face it, there is no better alternative or you'd be there already. So might many of us who know a thing or two about system architectures. But for entirely different reasons
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"There is no better alternative or you'd be there already"
You forget--I am already there! Doesn't make my views change about the present, though.
"Its best not to make an assumption, because that makes you an 'ass' and the 'ump' will 'shun' you"
~The Fresh Prince of Bel Air
You forget--I am already there! Doesn't make my views change about the present, though.
"Its best not to make an assumption, because that makes you an 'ass' and the 'ump' will 'shun' you"
~The Fresh Prince of Bel Air
It's the steak, not the sizzle. Cosmetics and trifling variations in usability are sizzle, and will be corrected in a release coming our way soon. Or not, I totally don't care.
I want the macOS steak. With onions, gravy and mashed potatoes. Screw the cosmetics.
So I'm gone from this thread also (yay!). And please, "Stop The Squeal!" and just get on with it. Let's face it, there is no better alternative or you'd be there already. So might many of us who know a thing or two about system architectures. But for entirely different reasons
so, you don't care if the steak that comes in your plate is green ? c'mon 'stop the squeal' already, it's your steak eat it, the apparence is not important..
more seriously the apparence is part of the identity. and the new theme looks less nice than what was before.
it's a degradation.
maybe they want to do it because its going to be much more easy for older people to use them. like chromebooks.
Older people were able to use Apple products for a long time, as in a long, long time. That was one of the hallmarks of owning an Apple product, such as an iPhone. Anyone could use it. That was what made skeuo so wonderful, too. You knew what was a button, what you did to unlock the screen, it all made sense. It was fun, too. The phone reacted, and literally transformed into whatever an app wanted to do, be it a notepad, phone, music player, camera, etc.
The real question is why break a product that was not broken? Why reinvent the wheel?
In some cases, modern iPhones and Macs have confusing UI decisions and some older folks have more problems figuring them out!
IMO, it's no longer the older folks that Apple wants. They want the young, the Gen Z and Millennials. Us folks over 30 are deemed irrelevant.
Samsung captured me when iOS 7 released. Ironically my daily driver today is a Galaxy S20 FE 5G, which has a far more skeuo UI than a modern iPhone (thanks to themes that are far more than skin deep). Samsung got me again!
The real question is why break a product that was not broken? Why reinvent the wheel?
In some cases, modern iPhones and Macs have confusing UI decisions and some older folks have more problems figuring them out!
IMO, it's no longer the older folks that Apple wants. They want the young, the Gen Z and Millennials. Us folks over 30 are deemed irrelevant.
Samsung captured me when iOS 7 released. Ironically my daily driver today is a Galaxy S20 FE 5G, which has a far more skeuo UI than a modern iPhone (thanks to themes that are far more than skin deep). Samsung got me again!
-----Heck, I was born in the 90s, and I agree and have been participating in discussion on this thread (mostly lurking, but still…)
but who detemines when a product has reached it's 'perfect' moment... you?
all tech is a work-in-progress, there IS no finite point. imagine someone saying this at mac os 7.6 or something. it's absurb to think that development would stop.. at any point.
there are always new ideas, new options, new ways of looking at things. and hiding out in a single past moment is a choice you make, not a way of life for most.
The target user has been shifting away from professionals. "Normal" people like it this way. This has been happening for at least 10 years now. Symptoms:
- promoting "lightweight" over battery life, something that casual users appreciate
- no OpenGL updates for 10 years,
- laptops in general don't have to be user serviceable, but in a professional environment one has technicians trained to fix simple hardware issues with equipment. There is no support for that. Waiting 2 weeks for battery replacement (this is how AASP operate) in a laptop is unacceptable in profesional environment.
- no data recovery services supported. I do not mean "bit-level, sector by sector recovery of failed SSD", I mean the situation in which storage is perfectly fine, but the computer does not start due to simple electrical failure. Just putting the storage in another unit is not really possible. This can be overcome by moving towards network storage, but this is not always the solution.
- you can't buy and store spare parts, even the battery. At my company we keep spare hdds that can replace fialing HDD in the server without server shutdown. With Macs you can't even buy the battery. The batteries were user-replaceable until 2008 Macbook Pro's.
As a side note it seems batteries last about 2 years these days, they used to last longer. And they used to be user-replaceable.
Yes - he, the customer.
I guess his point was that "regression" should not be acceptable.
the customer... which customer... all of them? how would that work, if there are millions of viewpoints? and how many major corporations can you name that run their businesses based on customer's opinions? (not saying there aren't companies that actually listen to customer feedback...)
'regression'... can you clarify that?
Some large enough ensemble of customers. If they are millions of viewpoints you do market research and do decision based on that. Or take the Steve Jobs approach and say that people do not know what they need until you show them. If you don't sell your vision to the "large enough ensemble of customers" you are in trouble. So ultimately the user decides.
"can you name that run their businesses based on customer's opinions" - basically all companies that make things that people have option not to buy. Even those with Steve Jobs approach do use testers that serve as a representative sample of the consumers.
Regression = "a return to a former or less developed state."
Unless things have gone downhill rapidly since 2015, that seems a shade exaggerated. My mid 2015 is now six years old, and battery life is still pretty good. [Easily] User replaceable would be nice, but at least Apple does offer a replacement service so a decaying battery doesn't have to mean the end for the machine. Though comparatively expensive, the upside is it's a genuine OEM battery, with warranty. If you really want to, you can still go the iFixit DIY route, too. It's a hassle, but it is possible.
As far as the main thread goes, the new UI seems to be optimized for touch input. This cha
Thing is that many 2014 latpops are now considered "vintage", so it will be the last replacement for mine.
The iFixit DIY route is not serious way, because the are no quality replacement parts. Cables yes, but not batteries.
I have exactly the same laptop. I bought it in 2017. The battery was replaced in mid 2020. In general I think that laptops from 2000s had batteries that lasted longer. My MBP from 2009 had a battery good for 4 years, and the replacement lasted for another 5.
Thing is that many 2014 latpops are now considered "vintage", so it will be the last replacement for mine.
The iFixit DIY route is not serious way, because the are no quality replacement parts. Cables yes, but not batteries.
jobs did what he chose to do, always. apple undoubtedly checks the feedback reports (for betas), the suggestions people make, but they do what they want, and people adapt. so, i disagree with this: "the user decides"; that has never been apple's way of doing things.
when was the last time you remember apple doing market research with it's customers? 😂
& why would anyone want to go back to a 'less developed state'?
Well in my country there is no proper Apple Store, and their new features appear here only after some time. Lack of market research is not that strange
Apple uses their employees as test users.I did not say "market research" was the Apple way. Apple way is do whatever they want and cancel/deemphasize products which people no longer buy. But if they exaggerate people will have the last say when they don't buy their stuff anymore. At my company the M1 move is stalling many people with hardware upgrade as the software they work with is not available for M1, and the emulation is not that efficient
Though most people don't case and have a M1 Mac and a non-M1 laptop just for work Less developed state: Because of simplification. A company can remove features people use if it saves them money (32 bit support, Rosetta in ancient times, Technically OpenGL was not removed but it was not updated to make Metal more appealing...). And it is very difficult to downgrade your mac more by than one version.
apple uses it's beta-testers as test users, too, and, like any tech company, am sure they're doing in-house testing in advance of the beta releases. so... yes.Well in my country there is no proper Apple Store, and their new features appear here only after some time. Lack of market research is not that strange
I did not say "market research" was the Apple way. Apple way is do whatever they want and cancel/deemphasize products which people no longer buy. But if they exaggerate people will have the last say when they don't buy their stuff anymore. At my company the M1 move is stalling many people with hardware upgrade as the software they work with is not available for M1, and the emulation is not that efficient
Less developed state: Because of simplification. A company can remove features people use if it saves them money (32 bit support, Rosetta in ancient times, Technically OpenGL was not removed but it was not updated to make Metal more appealing...). And it is very difficult to downgrade your mac more by than one version.
but removing 32-bit support, or rosetta1... seems to be progress, not acts of 'saving money'.
either way, apple has never followed it's userbase, it's led us forward (often, kicking and screaming). 🤣
Ideologically, yes it is progress, but from the user perspective is a regression as an app that worked in say 10.14 won't work in 10.15. Maintaining 32bit compatibility is costly as it needs at least some work.
Yes I use Darktable on Ubuntu instead of Lightroom that is a progress