Why is Big Sur so ugly?

[saudor]

Who are you ppl arguing with lol? I agree with you...

Never said anyone needs the latest and greatest. I am also a proponent of keeping things for as long as I can

But you and others are proclaiming that nothing meaningful has improved from the 6s to current, which is retarded...and objectively false

If you agreed with what i said, why call my comment "rubbish"? Anyways my point still stands. If someone is getting by with an old device like a 6S and they are happy with how it performs, then anything more is useless for that person.
Just because the 12 is better doesn't mean it's better for that particular person if they're not going to be using stuff like 120hz, 4K HDR, etc and their current device is fine. Why is this even an argument anyways

 

[Jamalien]

If someone is getting by with an old device like a 6S and they are happy with how it performs, then anything more is useless for that person.

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Never said anyone needs the latest and greatest. I am also a proponent of keeping things for as long as I can

 

[nickdalzell1]

The level of BS from Apple marketing never ceases to amuse me.

Ironic that "BS" are the initials for Big Sur, ain't it?

 

[nickdalzell1]

If you agreed with what i said, why call my comment "rubbish"? Anyways my point still stands. If someone is getting by with an old device like a 6S and they are happy with how it performs, then anything more is useless for that person.
Just because the 12 is better doesn't mean it's better for that particular person if they're not going to be using stuff like 120hz, 4K HDR, etc and their current device is fine. Why is this even an argument anyways

I will say that since I never update my apps or the OS anymore, I don't even have the issues that many 6S owners would have, such as slower performance, lower battery life (newer apps use more resources, including power) and so on. I also appreciate the small screen, home button, and touch ID doesn't require a swipe up action which makes the screen dirty--I also like how touch ID is below the actual screen area. Wouldn't have killed Apple to offer both--a Face ID plus touch ID sensor on back. But what does a curmudgeon like me know?

I wanted to like the X and above, but the gesture system makes zero sense to me, as none of the actions I expect work as they should (technically tapping the gesture pill would naturally be what you'd expect home to be. But it does nothing--swiping up should be for control center--it's been that for ages, why move it around? and I still can't get recent apps or app switching to work properly--often goes home or does split view on iPad (thankfully I can still use its home button). I think it was intended to either look cool in public (because it's unintuitive as heck) or meant for younger hands with better dexterity than I have after working as a mechanic for a decade plus. There's still a place for buttons.

 

[auxbuss]

Ironic that "BS" are the initials for Big Sur, ain't it?

I think it's Tim's little joke. He knows. He knows.

 

[laurensvo92]

Big Sur isn't the greatest name for an OS. Slightly off topic, but why did Apple decide to limit naming mountains in Californina? Mount Everest would be a cool name.

 

[wlisik]

I would not say Big Sur is ugly........ when I upgraded from Catalina, I needed few days to get used to, so its UI is different than one from Catalina, but Id say nicer, more well thought. Definitely not ugly....... in fact I like it much more than Catalina.......

 

[CasualFanboy]

I would not say Big Sur is ugly........ when I upgraded from Catalina, I needed few days to get used to, so its UI is different than one from Catalina, but Id say nicer, more well thought. Definitely not ugly....... in fact I like it much more than Catalina.......

Lucky you.

 

[nickdalzell1]

Big Sur isn't the greatest name for an OS. Slightly off topic, but why did Apple decide to limit naming mountains in Californina? Mount Everest would be a cool name.

I'm still trying to figure out why they stopped with the big cat names.

 

[nanoant]

Id say nicer, more well thought.

Hi @wlisik, can you give some examples of what exactly is more well thought in Big Sur's UI comparing to Catalina please? We have quite a few arguments against Big Sur here, but we really miss solid arguments pro Big Sur.

 

[wlisik]

Hi @wlisik, can you give some examples of what exactly is more well thought in Big Sur's UI comparing to Catalina please? We have quite a few arguments against Big Sur here, but we really miss solid arguments pro Big Sur.

For example whole Settings app; labels are more consistent throughout the app; its great improvement compared with Catalina........

 

[nickdalzell1]

System Preferences felt like a downgrade to me (it is skeuo, but a lot of settings are where you don't expect). Took awhile for me to find the Energy Saver settings since that category is MIA now.

 

[Traverse]

After using the for months on both a Retina and non-Retina screen, I think I overall prefer it to the Yosemite - Catalina look, but still prefer Mavericks overall.

My biggest complaint is that light mode is a harsh white and not a more neutral light gray. If they would fix that and the menu bar translucency I'd be content.

 

[CasualFanboy]

System Preferences felt like a downgrade to me (it is skeuo, but a lot of settings are where you don't expect). Took awhile for me to find the Energy Saver settings since that category is MIA now.

That thing looks terrible and belongs only on a phone where no one really cares in the first place. The widgets look cheap and amateurish, and it wasn't difficult to use the already-existing multiple ways of getting to System Settings. This just adds yet another way to get there, which reminds me of Windows settings last time I checked.

Phones are their own thing. I really, truly don't care what they do with their phone interface. The assumption that everyone wants the same thing across devices has never made sense to me. Why would anyone want that?

 

[laurensvo92]

Apple is never going to be able to please everyone particularly in design, as it's completely subjective, but the system preferences icon isn't great. It's too dark. I don't know what the Apple designers were drinking that day, but that should never have been in the final version.

 

[CasualFanboy]

I don't know what the Apple designers were drinking that day

Marketing Kool-Aid

 

[nickdalzell1]

Well, either way I'm back to my Windows 7-themed Windows 10 laptop running MSN Explorer (skeuo ftw!) and my ZTE Z Five C LTE which is a modern phone (bought it back in 2018--been unused in closet) that has its UI design scheme inspired from the Samsung Galaxy S5--5" display, grippy plastic build, Micro-USB charging, expandable storage, removable battery, etc and has it's interface very reminiscent of the S5's TouchWiz but not as far behind software-support wise--I can use apps that lag heavily on the S5 on this cheap thing and it performs as good as it did on my 6S. Trying to use Walmart Pay on the S5 took 10 minutes (yeah, not so good having folks wait in line!).

I got a myriad of backups in the drawers/cabinets I've never even played with. Makes life interesting either way I guess.

 

[melikbilge]

Its common to perceive any changes from the familiar appearance as ugly. People’s aesthetic sence on average is quite inflexible. As people get used to it, this perception will gradually change.

One year on, perceptions have not changed. Big Sur is big ugly. It’s bad design, not radical genius. The brutalism of Mac OS designs.

 

[fivenotrump]

I'm still trying to figure out why they stopped with the big cat names.

they ran out of them

 

[fivenotrump]

I would not say Big Sur is ugly........ when I upgraded from Catalina, I needed few days to get used to, so its UI is different than one from Catalina, but Id say nicer, more well thought. Definitely not ugly....... in fact I like it much more than Catalina.......

so do I: brighter and fresher

 

[fisherking]

One year on, perceptions have not changed. Big Sur is big ugly. It’s bad design, not radical genius. The brutalism of Mac OS designs.

one year on, and your perception has not changed, just as people who don't find it ugly, probably also, still... don't find it ugly 😂

 

[nickdalzell1]

they ran out of them

There were a ton of big cats they had not even used the names of though. Cougar was unused, as was Ocelot, and I'm sure a few more exist that I can't name off-hand.

I think it was just more change for change's sake. They made a joke about the big cat names by telling folks the next OS version would be titled 'Sea Lion'. That was about the time they decided to name it Mavericks. (which to me just invokes memories of a piece of crap Ford Maverick.)

 

[fisherking]

really, those sigs say it all:

"Change for the sake of change is always a bad idea"

agreed; but obviously, ppl at apple don't see this as that. is it so hard to grasp that your definition of these things isn't everyones?


"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

with that attitude, we'd all be driving horse-&-buggys, watching black-&-white picture-tube tvs, and asking the operator to dial a number for us... and so on.

this has become a zombie thread, it won't die. still, it will be fun to catch up on years from now...

 

[RandomDSdevel]

I'm still trying to figure out why they stopped with the big cat names.

they ran out of them

There were a ton of big cats they had not even used the names of though. Cougar was unused, as was Ocelot, and I'm sure a few more exist that I can't name off-hand.

I think it was just more change for change's sake. They made a joke about the big cat names by telling folks the next OS version would be titled 'Sea Lion'. That was about the time they decided to name it Mavericks. (which to me just invokes memories of a piece of crap Ford Maverick.)

-----Also 'Lynx;' don't forget lynxes. And there are a couple other subspecies of leopard left they could've used, too, if they'd done the unlikely and had more than one maintenance release after v10.5.x (clouded leopard and Sunda clouded leopard, though I doubt they would have gone for a three-word codename.) (Source: Wikipedia.) Still, that's not too many more names; a different naming convention gave a larger pool to pick from. (Not that I don't miss big cat names, too, but , naturally, I'm not on Apple's marketing team.)

 

[ErikGrim]

Cougar was unused,

No it wasn't