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I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
35,162
25,287
Gotta be in it to win it
Apple have you by the short and curlies then?
I expect that they will love you and others like you. I have over $400 of paid-for apps and that is the *only* thing holding me back from switching platforms at the moment, but even that won't be a dealbreaker if I really like one of the upcoming Android handsets. I can build up my apps up again gradually, starting with the essential ones, and then I will have two ecosystems on the go. Nobody will be holding me to ransom and I'll be able to switch platforms whenever I want.

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Exactly. Most Apple owners seem to be luddites.

That is pretty much a pejorative statement calling people who like apple products Luddites. I don't think so. The last thing I want to do is futz with my phone, I accept the simplicity of what iOS offers as there is no futzing or customizing to keep it going. If I hated apple so much, like you, they would have been out of my life a long time ago. Paid apps or not.
 

sunking101

macrumors 604
Sep 19, 2013
7,423
2,659
That is pretty much a pejorative statement calling people who like apple products Luddites. I don't think so. The last thing I want to do is futz with my phone, I accept the simplicity of what iOS offers as there is no futzing or customizing to keep it going. If I hated apple so much, like you, they would have been out of my life a long time ago. Paid apps or not.

I never said that people who like Apple products are luddites. I like Apple products myself and am typing this reply on an Apple device. I actually meant that people who make such a big deal out of not being able to switch platforms due to 'ecosystems' and 'ooh it synchs so well with my Mac' etc, are luddites. As for Android phones, why do people keep making out that you *have* to customise them? You can use them straight out of the box without any customisation. One of the benefits of Android is that you CAN customise a lot of things, but that doesn't mean you need to or indeed have to. You talk of simplicity and what you actually mean is familiarity. Android does pretty much everything that iOS does, but you obviously don't like change or are perfectly happy where you are, and like so many Apple users you erroneously slate Android as being less able or less user friendly when that really isn't the case at all.

I like both platforms and can see the pros and cons of both platforms from a completely unbiased and informed perspective. It bugs me when others aren't informed or are biased for no good reason than that they are familiar with one like an old and comfy pair of boots. Liking Apple products, being happy with iOS and not wanting to switch to Android is perfectly fine, but making out that it is a much better platform is out of line. You just prefer it and it doesn't mean that the alternative is lacking in any way. I don't even own an Android phone, so I'm not defending my purchase here. The same competitor bashing goes on in the Android forums too. Over there iOS is lambasted in much the same way that Android is here. I'm fairly neutral and can see the positives to both platforms. There are some terribly lame arguments against Android here though.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
I never said that people who like Apple products are luddites. I like Apple products myself and am typing this reply on an Apple device. I actually meant that people who make such a big deal out of not being able to switch platforms due to 'ecosystems' and 'ooh it synchs so well with my Mac' etc, are luddites. As for Android phones, why do people keep making out that you *have* to customise them? You can use them straight out of the box without any customisation. One of the benefits of Android is that you CAN customise a lot of things, but that doesn't mean you need to or indeed have to. You talk of simplicity and what you actually mean is familiarity. Android does pretty much everything that iOS does, but you obviously don't like change or are perfectly happy where you are, and like so many Apple users you erroneously slate Android as being less able or less user friendly when that really isn't the case at all.

I like both platforms and can see the pros and cons of both platforms from a completely unbiased and informed perspective. It bugs me when others aren't informed or are biased for no good reason than that they are familiar with one like an old and comfy pair of boots. Liking Apple products, being happy with iOS and not wanting to switch to Android is perfectly fine, but making out that it is a much better platform is out of line. You just prefer it and it doesn't mean that the alternative is lacking in any way. I don't even own an Android phone, so I'm not defending my purchase here. The same competitor bashing goes on in the Android forums too. Over there iOS is lambasted in much the same way that Android is here. I'm fairly neutral and can see the positives to both platforms. There are some terribly lame arguments against Android here though.

I think "customization out of the box" is often confused with "setup out of the box".

From my experience (owning both platforms, liking both platforms), I spent far more time "setting up" my Nexus 5 than I did my new iOS devices. The simple truth is there is a robust backup and restore system via iCloud for an iPhone. No such option exists natively within Android. Rumors are its coming to stock/GPE devices with Android L - and it would be most welcome - but I think that's where the hang up lies.

It's not that one has to customize to be able to use. I keep my Nexus 5 as stock as possible. I like to experience Android as stock Android without skins and often without launchers/themes. Though when my Nexus 5 arrived, I had to go through the arduous task of setting up all my email addresses and various accounts, installing all my apps, rearranging my home screens and widgets etc

When the iPhone 6 comes out, I'll simply sign in to iCloud and restore from my latest iPhone 5S backup (backups happen automatically when plugged in and connected to wifi, which for me is every night). I've got good wifi, so I can set it down for maybe 10 minutes while it brings back all my apps, settings, pictures, accounts etc and puts them all exactly where I left them on my old device.

Its a feature Android sorely needs. I get why - it'd be a huge task to make something that worked for all the various skins and such out there - but at least give the stock Fandroids the same type of feature. Think about it - the ability to restore from a snapshot of your device in time. Honestly, it would be way more useful on an Android than iOS device. I could have backups of various arrangements and could switch automatically to them whenever I wanted without having to manually rearrange.

Hopefully we'll have it come this fall.
 

sunking101

macrumors 604
Sep 19, 2013
7,423
2,659
I think "customization out of the box" is often confused with "setup out of the box".

From my experience (owning both platforms, liking both platforms), I spent far more time "setting up" my Nexus 5 than I did my new iOS devices. The simple truth is there is a robust backup and restore system via iCloud for an iPhone. No such option exists natively within Android. Rumors are its coming to stock/GPE devices with Android L - and it would be most welcome - but I think that's where the hang up lies.

It's not that one has to customize to be able to use. I keep my Nexus 5 as stock as possible. I like to experience Android as stock Android without skins and often without launchers/themes. Though when my Nexus 5 arrived, I had to go through the arduous task of setting up all my email addresses and various accounts, installing all my apps, rearranging my home screens and widgets etc

When the iPhone 6 comes out, I'll simply sign in to iCloud and restore from my latest iPhone 5S backup (backups happen automatically when plugged in and connected to wifi, which for me is every night). I've got good wifi, so I can set it down for maybe 10 minutes while it brings back all my apps, settings, pictures, accounts etc and puts them all exactly where I left them on my old device.

Its a feature Android sorely needs. I get why - it'd be a huge task to make something that worked for all the various skins and such out there - but at least give the stock Fandroids the same type of feature. Think about it - the ability to restore from a snapshot of your device in time. Honestly, it would be way more useful on an Android than iOS device. I could have backups of various arrangements and could switch automatically to them whenever I wanted without having to manually rearrange.

Hopefully we'll have it come this fall.

I agree with you. Android back-ups which synch every setting are sorely missing and it's one of the pros to iOS for sure. Having said that, occasionally we have to set up our iPhones 'as new' in order to cure issues, so doing this kind of thing when we get a new Android phone isn't such a dealbreaker. It's an awesome feature to have though.
 

Truefan31

macrumors 68040
Aug 25, 2012
3,589
835
This is a iPhone vs galaxy thread still right? Not iOS vs android?

I'm sure the galaxy is a great phone for people. Just people prefer iPhone for what it offers. People like the design and look, the smoothness of the os, the number/quality of apps, and the customer service apple offers to it's customers. Again it's why every iPhone has outsold the previous. And the iPhone 6 will continue that trend
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
I agree with you. Android back-ups which synch every setting are sorely missing and it's one of the pros to iOS for sure. Having said that, occasionally we have to set up our iPhones 'as new' in order to cure issues, so doing this kind of thing when we get a new Android phone isn't such a dealbreaker. It's an awesome feature to have though.

True enough. I merely attempted to fix what I perceived to be a misunderstanding.
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
35,162
25,287
Gotta be in it to win it
I never said that people who like Apple products are luddites. I like Apple products myself and am typing this reply on an Apple device. I actually meant that people who make such a big deal out of not being able to switch platforms due to 'ecosystems' and 'ooh it synchs so well with my Mac' etc, are luddites. As for Android phones, why do people keep making out that you *have* to customise them? You can use them straight out of the box without any customisation. One of the benefits of Android is that you CAN customise a lot of things, but that doesn't mean you need to or indeed have to. You talk of simplicity and what you actually mean is familiarity. Android does pretty much everything that iOS does, but you obviously don't like change or are perfectly happy where you are, and like so many Apple users you erroneously slate Android as being less able or less user friendly when that really isn't the case at all.

I like both platforms and can see the pros and cons of both platforms from a completely unbiased and informed perspective. It bugs me when others aren't informed or are biased for no good reason than that they are familiar with one like an old and comfy pair of boots. Liking Apple products, being happy with iOS and not wanting to switch to Android is perfectly fine, but making out that it is a much better platform is out of line. You just prefer it and it doesn't mean that the alternative is lacking in any way. I don't even own an Android phone, so I'm not defending my purchase here. The same competitor bashing goes on in the Android forums too. Over there iOS is lambasted in much the same way that Android is here. I'm fairly neutral and can see the positives to both platforms. There are some terribly lame arguments against Android here though.

As the poster above said, you just made this into an iOS vs android thread, rather than an iPhone vs samsung thread.

I already put a stake in the ground with the 5s and I am divorced from android. I don't have to see the pros or cons of android I'm not going there, unless apple goes out of business.

I do like putting on a old comfy pair of shoes.
 

Shanghaichica

macrumors G5
Apr 8, 2013
14,725
13,245
UK
Nope.

As it stands the iPhone lacks:

A high definition screen
An amoled display
A large display
The camera on the S5 is better
A filing system
A removable battery
SD card support
Better sharing options
Widgets
Touch wiz based guestures
Third party keyboards/swipe
Ability to set default apps.
S-health
Google hangouts!
Google now
Remote control
S-view cover
Wireless charging.
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
35,162
25,287
Gotta be in it to win it
Nope.

As it stands the iPhone lacks:

A high definition screen
An amoled display
A large display
The camera on the S5 is better
A filing system
A removable battery
SD card support
Better sharing options
Widgets
Touch wiz based guestures
Third party keyboards/swipe
Ability to set default apps.
S-health
Google hangouts!
Google now
Remote control
S-view cover
Wireless charging.

You maybe right about everything except the camera which you are flat out wrong about.
 

Tig Bitties

macrumors 603
Sep 6, 2012
5,517
5,692
I'm a big Android fan, but no way would I get the S5. Touchwiz is just awful, and bloated.

HTC One M8 converted to GPE, is the best Android phone to date, IMO.
 

Winona Northdakota

macrumors 6502a
Dec 27, 2010
580
1
I'm a big Android fan, but no way would I get the S5. Touchwiz is just awful, and bloated.



HTC One M8 converted to GPE, is the best Android phone to date, IMO.


I agree. I love to play around with Android, a lot! I would never buy an S5 or anything Samsung. HTC, on the other hand, is rock solid as a device. I would have no problem buying and owning an HTC. As far as my personal device, I own and prefer iOS.
 

jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
16,080
19,080
US
Nope.

As it stands the iPhone lacks:

A high definition screen
An amoled display
A large display
The camera on the S5 is better
A filing system
A removable battery
SD card support
Better sharing options
Widgets
Touch wiz based guestures
Third party keyboards/swipe
Ability to set default apps.
S-health
Google hangouts!
Google now
Remote control
S-view cover
Wireless charging.

You forgot
blinking notification light.
always listening voice commands (Moto X)
True customizations...install launchers and so forth
App Drawer
Multi-tasking
Split Windows
4K video Recording
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
35,162
25,287
Gotta be in it to win it
I've used both cameras and imo the one on the S5 is better.

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Functionality is better on the S5, i. e ability to launch Google now from any screen, ability to set hangouts as default messenger app.

Internet says no...about the camera. I understand it's your opinion, but there are credible reviews that say otherwise. One even posted in this thread. The next thing you'll be saying is the s5 is faster than the 5s. :apple:
 

Shanghaichica

macrumors G5
Apr 8, 2013
14,725
13,245
UK
Internet says no...about the camera. I understand it's your opinion, but there are credible reviews that say otherwise. One even posted in this thread. The next thing you'll be saying is the s5 is faster than the 5s. :apple:

Well most of the reviews I have seen give outdoors/good lighting to the S5. In low lighting the 5S wins.
 

RenoG

macrumors 65816
Oct 7, 2010
1,275
59
Not at all. The poster says that he was 'saved' after dropping his iPhone into the pool because he could email off his iPad. You can email off a plethora of non-Apple devices and as for iMessage, it is only any good if the recipient of your messages has an Apple device...which kinda limits the value of it in an 'emergency' situation.

No all my most important contacts and then some all use iphones so it's all good. So yes I was saved via the apple ecosystem.
 

Truefan31

macrumors 68040
Aug 25, 2012
3,589
835
No all my most important contacts and then some all use iphones so it's all good. So yes I was saved via the apple ecosystem.


That's the convenience of the ecosystem. If it's not broken and it works well for u there's no reason to go to a galaxy. The fact that you can basically have a full backup of your phone is great too.
 

Winona Northdakota

macrumors 6502a
Dec 27, 2010
580
1
Why would you pick iPhone over the Galaxy S5?

I've used both cameras and imo the one on the S5 is better.

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Functionality is better on the S5, i. e ability to launch Google now from any screen, ability to set hangouts as default messenger app.


One can launch Google apps in iOS from any place using Siri. Just say, "Open Google Search" for example.

I don't get the idea of default apps. With iOS, in-app sharing is a much better approach. It gives on the fly choice. Google Now Launcher is not stock Android OS. None of the Google apps are.
 
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chupachup

macrumors 6502
Sep 1, 2013
487
2
One can launch Google apps in iOS from any place using Siri. Just say, "Open Google Search" for example.

I don't get the idea of default apps. With iOS, in-app sharing is a much better approach. It gives on the fly choice. Google Now Launcher is not stock Android OS. None of the Google apps are.

In app sharing? On an iPhone? You must be going nuts.

Try to share a picture from Facebook to someone in LINE, WhatsApp, or any other app installed on your phone. iOS gives you a few choices only. It is very frustrating.

Do you really talk to your phone? Give me a break.

On android you have access to Google anywhere you are. You don't have to talk to your phone. For example on mine you just swipe up from the bottom. Gives me access to my quick memo (where I can take a screen shot and draw on the screen), Google Now and Voice.

iOS is going backwards if you're using Android. I would never go back.

Tablets yes. Phones, Now way.
 

wilky76

macrumors regular
Oct 9, 2013
215
1
Wigan
I've used both cameras and imo the one on the S5 is better.

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Functionality is better on the S5, i. e ability to launch Google now from any screen, ability to set hangouts as default messenger app.

I've got a S5 and the 5S and i can tell you know unless the light is all but perfect then yeah it might just edge out the 5S, but soon as those perfect conditions change then that when you start to see the shortfalls of the S5 camera, while the 5S can take perfect sharp images in low light or cloudy days the S5 struggles badly, more often than not images from the S5 camera come out blurry unless you keep perfectly still, the 5S has no such problems even in very low light.

So camera wise the 5S wins because it has no trouble at all taking pictures in all lighting conditions.
 

ron7624

macrumors 68020
Oct 14, 2011
2,228
437
Houston, Texas area
And the battle rages on LOL
I think it is safe to say that we are all happy with our personal choices and will use our devices as we see fit. I'm not sure about everybody trying to make everyone else agree with their personal choices, but it is an entertaining read and one real + is that we find out lots of information that otherwise we would not have cared about.
:p

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I spent way too much time on this forum:rolleyes:
 
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