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Will Apple continue to optimize OS 3.x for non-3GS iPhones?

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TheSpaz said:
I played with 2 more iPhones over the weekend running 3.0 and they were even worse than mine.
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Now, wait a minute. I thought you said that this wasn't possible. That all first-gen-CPU iPhones should perform the same. That "electronics aren't like that."

Now, I personally don't think that that is a wholly unreasonable statement that you are making, and I agree that it doesn't make sense, but at the same time, regardless of the reason behind the performance difference, the fact that you found phones that perform WORSE than yours DOES indicate that some level of performance difference exists between phones somehow.

Given that phones that perform WORSE than yours exist, is it not logical to assume that there is equally a chance that phones that perform BETTER than yours exist as well, again regardless of the actual underlying cause?

-- Nathan
 
TheSpaz said:
(Note, I am not angry and I'm trying to have a civilized discussion).
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If you are truly in earnest about holding a civilized discussion, then perhaps next time you will avoid calling people liars for simple rhetorical effect, an act which is completely at odds with your stated goal.

-- Nathan
 
If you disable push in OS3.0, it will run as fast or faster than 2.2.1. That's what I am experiencing on a 16gb white 3G. I think Push is the main problem here.
 
NathanA said:
Now, wait a minute. I thought you said that this wasn't possible. That all first-gen-CPU iPhones should perform the same. That "electronics aren't like that."

Now, I personally don't think that that is a wholly unreasonable statement that you are making, and I agree that it doesn't make sense, but at the same time, regardless of the reason behind the performance difference, the fact that you found phones that perform WORSE than yours DOES indicate that some level of performance difference exists between phones somehow.

Given that phones that perform WORSE than yours exist, is it not logical to assume that there is equally a chance that phones that perform BETTER than yours exist as well, again regardless of the actual underlying cause?

-- Nathan
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The extra lag on their iPhones was because they did not set their iPhones up as new. Starting with 100% fresh update should make the iPhone perform at it's best right?

Starting off with a default slate should yield the best results I would think. If your iPhone is so darn fast, could you care to explain what your preferences are like so I can try to make mine the same way yours is? As far as I know, there are no "Speed up the graphics" preferences.

Please tell me what your setup is like.
 
OMGitsMAXX said:
If you disable push in OS3.0, it will run as fast or faster than 2.2.1. That's what I am experiencing on a 16gb white 3G. I think Push is the main problem here.
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I don't have any push apps installed. *shrug*
 
TheSpaz said:
It definitely works the same on both the iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS, but it's not very fluid on the iPhone 3G. It doesn't have the same *feel* as 2.2.1. I wish I could have 2.2.1 with Apple's copy and paste. That would be ideal.

In other news... why do I *have* to have Voice Memos installed? Does anyone else wish there was a check box in iTunes like "Use Voice Memos" or something so that we could choose whether we want it or not? I also wish I could delete Contacts... I have contacts in my Phone app... why do I need a stand-alone app for that?
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I couldn't agree more. Since i installed 3.0 the phone(1st gen) is extremely sluggish. It seems that we have become bogged down for the simple ability of "copy/past"
 
I have 3.0 on my iPod touch 2G. And it wasn't even optimized for iPod, 1G or 2G. Runs smoother than 2.x. However, my friends 1G is very choppy at times (but he's got so many useless/cracked apps so maybe that's why).
 
I had an awesome idea today while I was driving around.

It dawned on me that Apple probably makes sure 3.0 works correctly before they start looking into performance enhancements. The reason I say this is because Apple is usually pretty good at speeding things up over time. Just look at Safari... every update has "bug fixes and enhanced performance". They do tweak things as updates come along. I'm sure 3.1.1 or perhaps 3.2 will be like 2.2.1 was. They just need time to tweak it some more.

I'm going to keep submitting these bugs to Apple in hopes that they fix the things I've been complaining about. I really want to use OS 3.

I think for now, I've come to the conclusion that I'll install 3.0 again and just use it with the poorer performance to gain all the other software enhancements it has to offer. Apple will continue to fix it as we go along... I don't *have* to miss out on using the features just because I want to wait until it's "perfect" because it probably will never be perfect. Heck, 2.2.1 isn't perfect, but Apple is no longer updating the 2.x firmwares, so in order to stay with the times, I *need* 3.0 or higher.

Also, it would still be in Apple's interest not to piss off the people with pre-3GS's because when people are pissed off, they're more likely to tell other people and Apple will lose sales.

In conclusion: I'll upgrade to 3.0, stop b**ching and just use it for what it is and enjoy copy and paste and when Apple releases updates, it will only get better from here.

I feel good.
 
iphone.aggie said:
I can't keep up with you. I thought you downgraded to 2.2.1 and were going back to 3.0? But you're on 3.1 beta 3?
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If you really must know.

I have 2 iPhones

iPhone 3G = 2.2.1
iPhone = 3.1 beta

Just tonight I had 2.2.1 on my iPhone 3G until I decided to upgrade to 3.1 b3.

Now I have:

iPhone 3G: 3.1 beta 3
iPhone: 3.1 beta 3
iPod touch: 2.2.1

It's confusing, I know.... but I think for a while I'm going to shut up about the 3.0/3.1 complaints and find more constructive things to talk about. I'm sure in time Apple will fix the OS for us quietly.
 
I've got it!!! I've made an animation to show you the lag I'm experiencing that nobody else seems to be experiencing. Maybe if I show you EXACTLY what I'm seeing, you'll see it too. Here's the exact lag I'm looking at when I launch *certain* applications such as: Voice Memos, Notes, Mail, Twitterrific, Sketches and Movies. Look at the 2 animations below.

Here's what I expect to see (this is how it is on the iPhone 3GS)
Notice how the icons fly away as the Voice Memos app launches.
Please note: I slowed it down so you can see it easier (for the naysayers)
HomeScreenAni.gif


Here's what I'm ACTUALLY seeing on my iPhone 3G:
HomeScreenAni2.gif


Notice how in the second animation, the icons don't fly away, they just disappear and the Voice Memos screen starts zooming.
*Sometimes I see just a sliver of the last part of the icons just before the app opens*
*The worst apps are Mail, Twitterrific, and Sketches* Try some of those too.

Does anyone else see this on their iPhone or iPhone 3G now? I'd rather see it like the first animation (like it has always been in 1.0-2.2.1).

Thank you for your time. Please respond back and let me know.

Edit: Touchgrind never shows the icon animation either... just the zooming animation. I think for a split second before the app launches, there's a slight stutter that makes it skip a few frames of the animation.
 
PoitNarf said:
What happened to just dealing with it and waiting for 3.2.1 or whatever when you may finally be happy...
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I don't see that he's actually doing anything wrong here. He's actually giving a visual explanation of what he was talking about. Now, if he goes on and on about it, that's another thing.

TheSpaz said:
I've got it!!! I've made an animation to show you the lag I'm experiencing that nobody else seems to be experiencing. Maybe if I show you EXACTLY what I'm seeing, you'll see it too. Here's the exact lag I'm looking at when I launch *certain* applications such as: Voice Memos, Notes, Mail, Twitterrific, Sketches and Movies. Look at the 2 animations below.

Here's what I expect to see (this is how it is on the iPhone 3GS)
Notice how the icons fly away as the Voice Memos app launches.
Please note: I slowed it down so you can see it easier (for the naysayers)


Here's what I'm ACTUALLY seeing on my iPhone 3G:


Notice how in the second animation, the icons don't fly away, they just disappear and the Voice Memos screen starts zooming. *Sometimes I see just a sliver of the last part of the icons just before the app opens*

Does anyone else see this on their iPhone or iPhone 3G now? I'd rather see it like the first animation (like it has always been in 1.0-2.2.1).

Thank you for your time. Please respond back and let me know.
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I see the second one. So, as you say, I have lag. It's cool you did that, despite the face palm you got above. BTW, how did you make the animation? Good job!!
 
iphone.aggie said:
I don't see that he's actually doing anything wrong here. He's actually giving a visual explanation of what he was talking about. Now, if he goes on and on about it, that's another thing.



I see the second one. So, as you say, I have lag. It's cool you did that, despite the face palm you got above. BTW, how did you make the animation? Good job!!
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Thank you!

Here's how I made the animation: I jailbroke 3.0 and change the .ipsw file name to .zip and expanded it. Then I opened the "018-5301-002.dmg" image and copied all the Applications to Developer/Platforms/iPhoneSimulator.platform/Developer/Applications (this put all the iPhone apps into my iPhone Simulator. Then, I opened iPhone Simulator and recorded a screen recording of the launching animation using Snapz Pro X. Then I took the QuickTime movie and copied and pasted each frame into a layered Photoshop file and made my animated gif.

Anyway, it seems like the iPhone has a harder time launching apps that have a full screen color image (splash screen) instead of a blank canvas (like Messages.app). Also, I noticed that if I leave a page open in Safari, go back to the home screen, then open Safari again, the icons don't fly away then either. Weird.
 
First of all, it's not lag. Lag implies that it is the same behavior, only slower.

I am running 3.0 on my original iPhone and am actually seeing both behaviors. I can't distungish the pattern with complete accuracy yet, but it appears that the icons will fly away when first opening the app, and not always when the app has been loaded in memory.

For example, try repeatedly launching and closing various default apps. Notes and messaging in particular seem to cause the icons to fly of screen initially, but immediately fill the screen when launching them just after closing them. Closing the app makes the icons fly back in.

It's probably an issue of memory managemet. Since the 3GS has much more memory it will likely behave more consistently.
 
TheSpaz said:
Thank you!

Here's how I made the animation: I jailbroke 3.0 and change the .ipsw file name to .zip and expanded it. Then I opened the "018-5301-002.dmg" image and copied all the Applications to Developer/Platforms/iPhoneSimulator.platform/Developer/Applications (this put all the iPhone apps into my iPhone Simulator. Then, I opened iPhone Simulator and recorded a screen recording of the launching animation using Snapz Pro X. Then I took the QuickTime movie and copied and pasted each frame into a layered Photoshop file and made my animated gif.

Anyway, it seems like the iPhone has a harder time launching apps that have a full screen color image (splash screen) instead of a blank canvas (like Messages.app). Also, I noticed that if I leave a page open in Safari, go back to the home screen, then open Safari again, the icons don't fly away then either. Weird.
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Thanks for the explanation. I forgot you are a developer.

You said you slowed the first one down. Does the second one run at the same speed?
 
iphone.aggie said:
Thanks for the explanation. I forgot you are a developer.

You said you slowed the first one down. Does the second one run at the same speed?
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Both are slowed down.

Eso said:
Eh, no. He's a graphic artist.
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I'm a developer because I wanted to help Apple find bugs. I'm finding them and submitting them using the exclusive bug reporter tool ONLY AVAILABLE to DEVELOPERS. This is the best way to get the bugs fixed.
 
TheSpaz said:
Both are slowed down.



I'm a developer because I wanted to help Apple find bugs. I'm finding them and submitting them using the exclusive bug reporter tool ONLY AVAILABLE to DEVELOPERS. This is the best way to get the bugs fixed.
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Yes, but are they at the same speed? They don't look like they are.
 
iphone.aggie said:
Yes, but are they at the same speed? They don't look like they are.
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They're the same speed, yes. The bottom one is missing 3 or 4 frames, that's why it appears to be faster. I was showing how the app launches without the icons flying away and it actually looks like that on my iPhone (but a little faster)
 
TheSpaz said:
They're the same speed, yes. The bottom one is missing 3 or 4 frames, that's why it appears to be faster. I was showing how the app launches without the icons flying away and it actually looks like that on my iPhone (but a little faster)
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Okay, just making sure you didn't have the bottom faster, so you can't see the fly away. It almost looks like you can see them, but it's so fast (what I was telling you in another thread) that you can't see it. So, the 3GS looks like the first one for everybody?
 
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