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Will there be a new Mac Pro in 2015?
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And don't forget Thunderbolt add-ons are considerably more pricey than internal ones.
To me, the nMP only makes sense in a NAS or SAN environment (or -indeed- xSAN). If you have a media facility with something like a Stornext infrastructure and ten or twenty guys working on the same project, the nMP is great.
For individuals like me, the cMP design is better.
Exactly. I know I shouldn't be surprised any more, but it just seems so weird to me the amount of posters who post with such confidence and knowingness while demonstrating a lot of cluelessness.
Meanwhile, Deconstruct60 has been one of a handful of really knowledgeable and insightful posters in this thread, and his posts have been largely ignored. Some of it's TLDR, but probably a lot of it is that people just have more fun randomly speculating about stuff.
Yep, though I think your math is off.
So, where again are those GPU upgrades you predicted would be here 1 to 1.5 years after launch??
likely.. there are lots of zeros there with no commas so i could've easily messed up.. double checked though:
i don't know.. depends on when new_nmp comes out.. within a few days or weeks after that, we'll know if those gpus will work in mp6.1.
we already know you can buy new d700 through legit channels and install them yourself in a 6.1 (as in, you can already upgrade nmp gpus and have been able to for quite some time).. there's just no demand for them.. if the updated gpus work, demand for upgrading the 6.1 will be higher so we'll probably hear some people talking about it more around here.. (pics of them doing the swap. etc)
(we'll probably see something similar with the updated drives in 7.1.. pretty sure some people might want to put the new ones in their 6.1)
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It would have been better if this thread had been titled "what do you want in the next Mac Pro". That's pretty much what the thread has consisted of and is really the only thing anyone who doesn't actually work at Apple is qualified to comment on. Further, it would have more actual impact. When Apple launches the next Pro and it turns out that it's a cylindrical black Mac Mini, it would be hard for them to claim that it was what people were asking for if there were 20,000 posts claiming otherwise.
At the end of the day, Apple put all their R&D efforts with the nMP on optimising around things that have little to no performance advantage over what could be user-added to the previous design, at the cost of removing flexibility and longevity from the machine. The argument that it uses less power and is therefore more environmentally friendly, doesn't really hold when you take into account the embodied energy cost in making a new machine. Designing for recyclability is only one stop better than designing for landfill.
Reuse (Upgrade) > Repurpose > Recycle (recovering glass, prescious metals, & aluminium) > Landfill.
Reuse (Upgrade) > Repurpose > Recycle (recovering glass, prescious metals, & aluminium) > Landfill.
What these posters can't seem to get is that they are not representative of the market Apple is interested in serving - it's too small. MacBooks, iMacs - their hardware designs add value, along with OS X. In the cMP-like market, the only value they can bring to that space is OS X*, and that's just a minuscule market for Apple. Apple is now in the business of selling products in the tens of millions. Do you think they even sold a million 2010/12 MP's? Maybe on the high-end, 500K/year? It's simply not worth the resources.
I'm guessing they'll keep the MP around for at least another update or two... hopefully longer as a halo product for a niche market segment. But if you're looking at the overall market and the future of computers, I doubt the MP figures much into their long-term plans.
Just FTR, I think Apple alienates the Mac enthusiast market at their own peril. That's also to say I understand Apple's perspective on the market even if I don't necessarily agree with their product lineup.
* - the cMP is a beautiful design in its own right and does bring value to those who appreciate it, but in the workstation market, that's not enough.
arguing about super upgradable machines doesn't really hold when you take a look around.. how many people are using 10 year old computers due to their upgradability? which one of you upgrade maniacs on this forum are using some decade old computer? (crickets)
upgrade/hardware enthusiasts replace their core machines too.. they don't just keep upgrading the computer they bought in y2k.. a new mac pro will be a great machine for 5 years.. it will show it's age for another 3 then apple turns it off with software.. even if it was as upgradeable as the cmp (which it is), you'd still replace it after those 8 years.. probably sooner.. a lot sooner just like most everybody else does.
further.
i mean, what's the gripe??
the cmp is awesome.. it's upgradeable.. etcetc
what's the problem then? why are you worried about the nmp design? it's not like you're going to be buying a computer again since you just keep upgrading the one you have now.
you see what i'm getting at?
i mean, what's the gripe??
the cmp is awesome.. it's upgradeable.. etcetc
what's the problem then? why are you worried about the nmp design? it's not like you're going to be buying a computer again since you just keep upgrading the one you have now.
you see what i'm getting at?
Thank you
You've finally proved how completely 100% out of touch / wrong / inaccurate you are:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2006-2007-mac-pro-1-1-2-1-and-os-x-yosemite.1740775/
Of ALL the threads on this, the Mac Pro page this is #1 in views. 522,864 Views.
Again, OF ALL THE THREADS ON THIS PAGE RIGHT NOW, THIS IS #1 IN VIEWS.
Why is the 1,1 Mac Pro the ONLY Mac from 2006 that can still be 100% hardware compatible with OS X Yosemite? BECAUSE YOU CAN CHANGE THE GPU.
But you are right about something, when nMP is 9 years old, there won't be anywhere near that level of interest, thanks to Apple crippling it with those tired old GPUs that have no upgrades, and no future.
Time to admit you don't know what you are talking about. You said "crickets" 522,864 views said you were full of it.
Thanks again.
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you can change the gpu in the nmp too.
i really don't know how much longer it's going to be until you finally say.. "oh, right.. you can change the gpu in the nmp."
i'm guessing 2years.
but if you're talking about a 9year old nmp (2022 a.d.), you have to try to imagine what it will be like then.. i get it that you think a 6.1 mac pro gpu will be limited to the one it was purchased with but.. it won't be.
i'm not going to change your mind about it.. you'll have to just wait and see i suppose.. (but doubtful you'll change ur tune even then)
Keep digging.
On 2013 nMP you can choose any GPU, as long as it is an AMD GPU from 2011 and is a D300, D500, or D700.
On 2006 cMP you can choose any GPU. ANY GPU.
Going to put a 2015 Titan X in mine and post a screen shot, to point out how completely 100% full of crap your argument is.
But by all means, keep digging.
I think this post/thread sums it up best:
My essay on Thunderbolt ports vs PCIe Slots
@mvc: Your argument that you can slot any GPU in a MP1,1 may be technically correct, but I think you will agree that is not a trivial task for the average user. Just because you have the know-how and skill to make it work, doesn't mean everybody else does, too. That's why you have a business.
Similarly, if I understand correctly, sticking different GPU's in the nMP is really just a matter of AMD and/or nVidia releasing drivers for suitable cards.
My essay on Thunderbolt ports vs PCIe Slots
@mvc: Your argument that you can slot any GPU in a MP1,1 may be technically correct, but I think you will agree that is not a trivial task for the average user. Just because you have the know-how and skill to make it work, doesn't mean everybody else does, too. That's why you have a business.
Similarly, if I understand correctly, sticking different GPU's in the nMP is really just a matter of AMD and/or nVidia releasing drivers for suitable cards.
Again, I am afraid that you don't actually understand any of this.
That thread on running Yosemite in 2006 cMP is HUGE for a reason. And it isn't 522,864 crickets as some want to say.
Switch 2 files and 2006 Mac Pro can run OS X of today.
Download and install latest Nvidia driver, install Titan-X. No engineering degree or computing degree necessary. (Thank goodness, I have neither)
the key difference is this:
you don't choose GPUs for the mp1.1 that are pre mp1.1.. or made prior to mp2.1.. or even 3.1..
but your whole thing, at least for this comparison, revolves around the above being true.
Dude, again, what in the heck are you talking about?
Come join us here and now today.
What cards go in 6.1 and work?
What cards go in 1,1 and work?
You said "crickets" about 10 year old machines, yet most popular thread on this page is about 2006 Mac Pro running Yosemite. WITH 522,864 VIEWS.
It is YOU who are out of touch and not dealing with reality as it exists here and now. TODAY.
the ones that were made for it at initial release then the ones that were made for it afterwards.
the ones that were made for it at initial release then the ones that were made for it afterwards.
....sorry, fell off my chair laughing
Exactly which cards were "made for it afterwards" for the 6,1? As far as I know, 3 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 3, and will keep equalling 3.
Please try to take this in a kind way - I generally agree with what you're trying to say, but one of the reasons MVC picks on you is because you make yourself an easy target. He's a generic school yard bully, and you often get sucked into his straw-man arguments that you can't win. 90% of your point will make sense, but 10% always seems kind of "off", and then he just hammers you over and over again, twisting your words around on you until he's framed the entire discussion around that 10%. You fall into it every time.
Take for instance the nMP GPU. Yes, technically the nMP GPUs are "replaceable"... with current parts, you can technically go from a D300 to a D700. But that's really not relevant to the larger discussion. Until you can get a GPU upgrade that offers better performance than the D700, it's disingenuous to claim the the GPU is upgradeable in any meaningful way that is going to extend the life of the nMP. Maybe it will happen in the future (however unlikely), but until it does, it's not a point worth making. The cMP's GPU can be upgraded today. Those are just facts. Every time you try to argue differently, you just invite him to hammer you so more. And once your discredited on that, everything else you said, right or wrong, gets discredited as well. That's all he has. It's the same point he makes in every thread, like a broken record player.
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circles but...
there aren't any 'made for it afterwards' yet.
i wish you were more like "hey, i understand the point you're trying to make.. but i disagree with it"
instead of
"i disagree with this guy so i'm going to ignore what he says or not acknowledge a point has been made"
2006 is old? Eff this ageism!
I still use my July 2000 PowerMac G4 Cube! *(as a plinth)
And I fully expect in 9 years time, I'll be using my nMP. *(as a plinth)
Don't let anyone tell you upgrade compromised Macs don't stay useful for a long time!
I still use my July 2000 PowerMac G4 Cube! *(as a plinth)
And I fully expect in 9 years time, I'll be using my nMP. *(as a plinth)
Don't let anyone tell you upgrade compromised Macs don't stay useful for a long time!
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