are you so certain it's not the other way around?
I don't have to be disingenuous, you do.
He doesn't like me, but agrees that you use BS and it undermines your credibility.
Take his advice, if not mine.
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I don't have to be disingenuous, you do.
He doesn't like me, but agrees that you use BS and it undermines your credibility.
Take his advice, if not mine.
likewise, it's not a point worth making until the nmp is at a point where its life warrants extending.
they're not even out of warranty yet.. much less in need of extended life.
haha
This is patently not true, and that is the point he is making. I already showed that units shipped in Jan 2014 are out of warranty.
As are all the ones made until today that didn't buy Applecare.
Another factual error. (And one you made before)
i'm speaking looser than that.. sorry, didn't mean to imply 100.000000% of nmp are under warranty right now..
just 98% of them.
Feel free to prove that 98%.
You are basically insisting that somehow you know how many of the nMP purchased from 12/13 through 8/14 bought Applecare.
You can stop digging now, really, you can.
If that were true, it would make you a troll. You're playing by his rules and you'll lose every time.are you so certain it's not the other way around?
Irrelevant. Please, just give it up. You can not win that argument.
You're doing it again... now he's picking on your "warranty" point and he'll just hammer on that. You just open yourself up to by bringing it up in the first place. Meanwhile, WTF does warranty have to do with anything? But you'll be debating it for the next two pages of posts.
Okay, I'll leave you alone, just wanted to give you a little perspective.
Take his advice, if not mine.
I just had a minor surgical procedure and have been largely immobile.
Thanks for giving me a laugh, was appreciated.
you get it that we're tucked away in a back corner of the internet talking about a bunch of crap that has no real impact on life (or- no real impact on getting work accomplished on a freaking computer for that matter).
right?
is 'winning' an argument around here something really worth striving for?
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for background, the day these photos were released:
.. i knew the nmp was designed to be upgradeable and user servicable.. nothing has changed about my views on that and most of the stuff i've said has already been proven true.
take this little spat me n mvc are having right now over gpus.. now fill in 'ssd' or 'ram' or especially 'cpu' instead of gpu and realize i've argued this guy for months over it.. with him (and others) insisting the thing is as serviceable as a macbook air or whatever..
even though it's completely (!!) obvious in those pictures that there's a user friendly access latch and user friendly screws.. mvc **** on me for months upon months about the stupid screws.. turns out the teardown (which i also predicted the score of -- eight) cited the screws as being one of the key reasons for them giving it such a high score.
all these things, mvc hasn't even acknowledged or certainly not apologized for.. i'm just as stupid as i've always been.. and the same exact arguments are being thrown in my face now as they were before even though many of those arguments are now provable.
the trick to understanding mvc is that even if you win an argument with him, you still lose in his head.. always.
grain of salt.
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but any 'proof' i have are right up there in those pictures.. if someone can't see it then i can't show them how to see.
that's pretty much all i've learned in this forum.
Fell out of my chair again.
Thank you. Hopefully it isn't just the vicodin speaking.
The reason you lose discussions is because you don't employ logic or reason.
Someone on YOUR SIDE of a discussion just told you that exact thing.
Believe me, or believe them. Or whatever.
This is the second time I have engaged in dialog with you, and the second time you are patronizing/condescending.
Keep going, bro.
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Nope, super, duper easy. Read the most read thread on this page of forum. 522,864+ crickets have read it.
In a TB enclosure? Please show me a link. All eGPU stuff has either been something Netkas figured out or something that circus clown at tea info forum stole from what Netkas figured out. No magic hammer to get them inside the chassis.
Do you have any facts or just supposition?
It's an interesting point to consider on pretty much anything in this day in age. When someone upgrades a part on a 5 year old Mac, what happens to the old part in most cases? You're just replacing the computer one part at a time.
The nMP is also a lot smaller than the cMP - there's a lot less aluminum, much smaller mainboard, less cables, etc. The nMP requires vastly less packaging. The nMP is much lighter and takes up less transport space for distribution, decreasing fuel usage. 5 years of less electricity really adds up.
How do you even start to consider assembly - the number of parts, each of those parts requiring manufacture, shipping to other factories, etc. How many people did it take to assemble it? Etc.
And any nMP will still be useful long after it's no longer good enough for serious video editing - being such a small quiet machine, I'm sure people will be finding all sorts of uses for them even a decade from now. Most Macs less than 10 years old EOL when it's broken, not because it doesn't have the latest GPU.
In the end, not sure how it tables out, but you can't dismiss the nMP as possibly being more energy efficient in the long run.
No biggie, but you got your quotes mixed up - I didn't say what you replied to - that was MVC.
right. fixed.. thanks
(i thought i was saying that to @MacVidCards anyway.. not you. i had a longer post typed with multiple quotes but went with the shortened version instead so i assume that's how the mixup happened ; )
Again, I find your tone offensive. I believe I have addressed you with courtesy and would appreciate it if you could do the same for me. There is nothing wrong with good manners, even on the internet.
Did I say external? No. Are the GPU's in the nMP soldered to the logic board? If not, could they be replaced if suitable replacement existed?
That is my only point. Replacement may not exist, but as long as nothing is soldered shut and the connectors line up, what exactly stops anybody from making different GPU's for the nMP? It would just be a matter of someone believing there is a market for it.
Sorry, you don't warrant anything resembling what you have asked for.
"If they made Unicorn Hairnets would you buy one?" is up there with your question.
nMP is nearing EOL. If there were going to be upgrade GPUs for it, they would have come already. That cavalry is hanging out at the horse ranch, having a few at the Saloon (and chicken ranch). Not coming. Stop waiting.
When 7,1 comes, it will have some new tech, most likely USB-C or TB3 or whatever you want.
It means that the edge connectors in 6,1 won't be 7,1 compatible. So, ship has sailed, however you want to call it. If you are waiting for screw-in-place GPUs, don't hold your breath. Ask old decon 60, even he with a 1,000 word essay would have to agree that new GPUs for 6,1 aren't happening, EVER.
If you have a rational, logical reason for believing that 6,1 GPU updates are coming, by all means post them here. Otherwise you are up there with the 3.0 Ghz G5. Extreme Vapourware Dude !
Short version: 2 years ago I said nMP wasn't going to get new GPUs, the 2 years of NOTHING since then have proven me right. Apple isn't going to invest money in making 7,1 GPUs with new tech be backwards compatible with the 2011 tech in 6,1. It's over and done. The E True Hollywood story is completely written. Epilogue too.
OH, did I forget to mention the GPU firmware is woven into main machine firmware? So to install a new GPU would require Apple releasing a firmware update for 6,1. Still think that is going to happen?
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Please, for the sake of something, do some reading. There is one, and only 1 Mac from 2006 that can still run anything past 10.7.5. with no excuses. It is the cMP. And it is because 10.8 wrote all of the EFI32 GPUs out of the OS drivers. So the 2006 GPUs no longer have driver support, at all. They have basic EFI support. Screen gets drawn but moving the mouse across screen gives new meaning to "drag & drop" as screen is actually being drawn by the already-overwhelmed CPU.
I am not exaggerating, go read the threads. So all 2006-7 Macs running anything past 10.7.5 have ZERO (0) (NADA) (NONE) OpenGl, OpenCl, and 3D at all. No gaming, no CUDA, no transparency or translucency. The dock is a solid colored strip with icons on it. Meanwhile, the cMP from 2006 can have 2 files switched, run Yosemite or Yellowstone or whatever the new one is, and with a new GPU, have better OpenGl then any Mac shipping today.
Really think about that.
I did not ask for anything. I merely observe the GPU's can be replaced. Seems to me you are the one asking for things you will never get.
I'm fine with what I have now, and if Apple doesn't offer something suitable when I need a new machine, I have no problem switching platforms.
I am beginning to see sarcasm and derision are just the way you speak. So be it.
Unless you have some insider info I am unaware of, that is all speculation. Strange for someone who seems to insist others provide hard evidence for just about anything they say on an internet forum.
Again, I'm not waiting for anything. I merely observed that the GPU's are physically replaceable. As for
I find this a little disingenuous for someone who sells non-authorized flashed GPU's. You already mentioned Netkas, his firmware tweak is pretty famous around here. You mentioned running Yosemite on a non-authorized '07 MacPro is trivial, just change two files et voila. But the firmware in the nMP6,1 can't be touched?
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I'm sorry, did you have point? I don't see anything here but a personal attack. Didn't level one at you, just pointed out the silly nature of your question. I couldn't care less about dwindling market, or whatever. Sell about 1/10 of what I could, still work in film biz in LA, this was always an amusement.
About performance benchmarks
Driver writers spend months fine tuning their code in order to get certain benchmarks to yield better results. A given benchmark doesn’t prove anything. All it proves is that that specific benchmark ran better or worse on a specific GPU.
Benchmarks do not show real world use or performance of the GPU. In other words, if one game runs better at some point on a card/GPU, that doesn’t mean that ALL games will now run better on that card.
It’s more likely that the benchmarks are mentioned or available simply because they were better. What about all of the other benchmarks where the card failed or was significantly less?
Benchmarks are marketing tools, and are used to position a specific product so that it looks better than competitive products, and are not good measure of real world usage or performance.
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ok.. so i have my mp1.1 (as in.. i really do have one) and i hack it into an unsupported environment so i can now put in a hacked gpu in order to post a geekbench score in one very specific area that shows an openGL spike on the 9 year old computer.. a w e s o m e
apple turned off the 1.1 with software.. they do the same thing to all of their computers after ~7-8 years.. you simply don't use the above computer in a work environment.
Indeed, when I address your sarcasm with some of my own, it is a personal attack, yet when you do it, it is only to point out the silly nature of my question? Which wasn't even a question, but an observation?
Nonetheless, I will delete the bit about your livelihood. It was not necessary nor classy. I guess I got sucked into it by your belligerent attitude. But I should mind my manners, always. You do what you want with yours.
I see where this is going. I'll disengage. Enjoy having the last word.
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Wow, who's that from, your Uncle Joe? You must really be terrified that I may post something impressive.
See, usually when you quote something, you MENTION WHO YOU ARE QUOTING to lend some credence to it. (i.e., "President Kennedy, 1962 Rose Bowl Parade Speech", something like that. So you don't seem desperately grabbing for support from nameless nobodies.) I guess you used bold and large font, must be important and right then.
No need to hack the GPU at all. Replace 2 files in a Yosemite install. Run Nvidia Web Driver. Install Titan-X. Reboot.
That's it. I know you would like it to be more nefarious and dirty, but it isn't. REPLACE TWO boot.efi FILES is the extent of the "hacking" needed. As has been evidenced by the 522,864+ "crickets" you mentioned before. (hehe, most popular thread on front page of MP forum, way to miss the ball)
I am sorry that you don't understand the things you are referencing. The 4,1 to 5,1 Mac Pro flash is flashing a file RIGHT FROM APPPLE SERVERS onto a 4,1. The 2,1 onto a 1,1 flash is using a file RIGHT FROM APPLE SERVERS.
The MacMini 2,1 onto 1,1flash is RIGHT.....get it yet? Nobody has ALTERED a whole file. So, opening up a 6,1 firmware and changing code to include some new GPUs, pretty much impossible.
I encourage you to research this, or anything else you wish to express strong opinions about BEFORE posting. It avoids a lot of embarassment. Point being, myself (and others) have written new GPU BIOS files and flashed them onto GPU EEPROMS. Others have found ways to take Apple firmware files and flash them onto machines they had PRETENDED to upgrade but had in fact merely upgraded the firmware on. This gives you benefit of new tech, on original hardware.
For 7,1 firmware to work on 6,1 and give new GPUs their firmware, the following would have to be true:
1. 7,1 Mac Pro uses same chipset and ALL other chips as 6,1 except for new GPUs.
2. 7,1 Mac Pro firmware contains all code from 6,1 plus EFI drivers for all new 7,1 hardware. (never been done before)
I don't understand why people post argumentative posts about things the know nothing about. I don't post in RAID threads because I am a RAID noob. I don't post in camera lens threads because I know diddly squat about camera lenses and don't want to make an axs of myself.
To run a Titan-X on 1,1 Mac Pro requires no (0) (NONE) (NADA) firmware flashing or EFI hacking, just replace 2 files. So, I am sorry, but you don't know what you are posting about.
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