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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
    822
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Phil77354

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if I buy a new iMac with a 12-core processor (upcoming model), can I place it next to my older iMac (quad core i5), and then separate the 12-core processor into two 6-core processors so that both machines can operate with the newer hardware?
 

iPadified

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Space is also a position. iMac Pro has seven positions as has iMac Air. Not that I can see from underlined text that there are six letters after (i).
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Very interesting! Then maybe Apple won't use 10th gen CPUs in the next iMac models except for the top 27". They could go something like this for the same price:

4-core i3-9100 (3.6GHz, Turbo 4.2) instead of 4-core i3-8100 (3.6GHz)

6-core i5-9500/i5-9600 (3.0-3.1GHz, Turbo 4.4-4.6) instead of 6-core i5-8500/8600 (3.0-3.1GHz, Turbo 4.1-4.3)

8-core 8-thread i7-9700 (3.0GHz, Turbo 4.7) instead of 6-core 12-thread i7-8700 (3.2GHz, Turbo 4.6)

6-core 12-thread i5-10600 (3.3GHz, Turbo 4.8, 12 MB Cache) instead of 6-core 6-thread i5-9600K (3.7GHz, Turbo 4.6, 9 MB Cache)

10-core 20-thread i9-10900 (2.8GHz, Turbo 5.2, 20 MB Cache) instead of 8-core 16-thread i9-9600K (3.6GHz, Turbo 5.0, 16 MB Cache)

They could for the same price of 8-core 8-thread i7-9700 (3.0GHz, Turbo 4.7, 12 MB Cache) offer 8-core 16-thread i7-10700 (2.9 GHz, Turbo 4.8, 16 MB Cache). Same thing with i5-9500/i5-9600. They could for the exact same retail price offer i5-10500/i5-10600 which have more threads, more Cache and higher clock speeds, but Intel may not be able to produce enough numbers of 10th gen CPUs for Apple. Therefore Apple could settle for 9th gen CPUs in cheaper iMacs.
Considering the idiotic cooling requirement for the comet lake "k" chips, this is a realistic lineup.
 

iPadified

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... so again we get sub-par CPU choices because of the combination of Intel's mediocre chips and Apple's unwillingness to create a case that is able to properly cool them?
You issue along with many others, I think, is that Apple does not provide a cheap tower so instead you argue for an iMac that functionally is a tower at the expense of a sleek design which is a necessary consequence. That would kill the iconic iMacs as their existence is based on their nice, nearly invisible, packaging of a computer and screen. It would be much easier if you who want a cheap tower actually said so.
 

patrick.a

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You issue along with many others, I think, is that Apple does not provide a cheap tower so instead you argue for an iMac that functionally is a tower at the expense of a sleek design which is a necessary consequence. That would kill the iconic iMacs as their existence is based on their nice, nearly invisible, packaging of a computer and screen. It would be much easier if you who want a cheap tower actually said so.

Nobody is talking about „cheap“. And for the rest: Just look at the iMacPro. It is possible to have both! And why would you expect anything less then?
 

Mikael H

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Nobody is talking about „cheap“. And for the rest: Just look at the iMacPro. It is possible to have both! And why would you expect anything less then?
..Because Apple will want to be paid for the addition of a Tx chip and the additional cost of a decently sized SSD (plus margins), and that will kick up the price of entry at least $3-400 making the iMac’s bang for the buck look even worse to those comparing prices to a regular gaming tower built from off-the-shelf PC parts, and a TN- or VA panel screen...
 
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krell100

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Its actually Apple putting higher-end i7 and i9 chips in the current iMac and in the process made the iMac a viable alternative for those doing 'pro' work, such as Audio and design, who really don't need ECC ram or a Xeon but want maximum performance. The solution is pretty easy; Apple just needs to give the regular iMac the iMPs cooling system, whack in 10th gen chips and done.
 

DrRadon

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That's why I decided to shift my gaming to console last week after struggling with crappy bootcamp bluetooth drivers for hours. I just wanted to play Minecraft Dungeons and when I get home from work I want technology that just works. The side effect of that is I now have less use for a new iMac, and when I do decide to buy I probably won't be so concerned about getting the best GPU anymore. I think I'm going to wait and see how the Mac on arm processor develops over the next year before I spend big money on a new iMac.

I spotted this article over on Toms Hardware. Might force Apple to move rather than keep some models on the 8th gen CPUs:Link

Is that a pure amd thing? In my 2012 iMac there is a Nvidia card and that just can be kept up to date with a Nvidia Service Software that not only downloads the most current driver (pushing updates literally until today, even if I doubt the current ones make much of a difference) but even suggests the ideal settings for the games you install. Its a pretty cool hands off experience.
Its called GeForce experience I think.
 
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scotttnz

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Is that a pure amd thing? In my 2012 iMac there is a Nvidia card and that just can be kept up to date with a Nvidia Service Software that not only downloads the most current driver (pushing updates literally until today, even if I doubt the current ones make much of a difference) but even suggests the ideal settings for the games you install. Its a pretty cool hands off experience.
Its called GeForce experience I think.
It’s a Bluetooth thing, so my mouse, keyboard and trackpad didn’t work. My research showed it is not uncommon with many different Macs. There are lots of potential fixes to be found online, but none of them worked for me. I think it comes down to quality windows drivers not being a priority for Apple.
 

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Nobody is talking about „cheap“. And for the rest: Just look at the iMacPro. It is possible to have both! And why would you expect anything less then?
"cheap" as in not MP. iMac Pro solution is fine and expected but I doubt that even that can cool the 10900K plus a desktop 5700XT and whatever people are dreaming of here.
 
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patrick.a

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"cheap" as in not MP. iMac Pro solution is fine and expected but I doubt that even that can cool the 10900K plus a desktop 5700XT and whatever people are dreaming of here.

Yes, I agree. But I guess we'll find out soon! Some things have clearly been going into the wrong direction the last couple of years. It's actually crazy that we consider a computer for 3'000 "cheap" in 2020 just because Apple kept rising the prices on the other end and you basically now need to spend more like 6'000 - 10'000 (and upwards) to get a workstation with a decent cooling.
 

Manfredi

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I hope this is indeed about the iMac. I know there are 6 underscores there but I think he did that on purpose to not make it too easy. i___ would be too obvious.

Anyway. I'm hyped. I can't wait to figure out which one I'm going to buy.

Also, 100 pages! ?
i hope too.... but could be iPadAir, or iMacAir, or iMacPro.....

for sure not "simple" iMac.... ;) :( :( :(
 
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Yes, I agree. But I guess we'll find out soon! Some things have clearly been going into the wrong direction the last couple of years. It's actually crazy that we consider a computer for 3'000 "cheap" in 2020 just because Apple kept rising the prices on the other end and you basically now need to spend more like 6'000 - 10'000 (and upwards) to get a workstation with a decent cooling.
Yes, to use 6000-10000 for proper cooling is too much. I remember that I thought the 5.1 MP was expensive. $3000 in year 2000 is now $4400 or something like that. The case for current MP is far better engineered than the 5.1 MP so I am not sure the current MP is so much more expensive. The idea with a smaller tower with top of the line i9 is attractive for some but not all iMac users. It would help if Apple makes a $1500 nice looking monitor to match.
 

VJNeumann

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I reaaally think y'all are reading too much into the ___ thing. If you're trying to keep it secret, you obviously aren't going to use the actual character count, especially for something as obvious as iMac.

Occam's Razor says the guy just hit the "_" key a random number of times, and now everyone's freaking out. No product even matches that exact character count anyway (iMac Pro is definitely 7 characters, you can't just ignore the space).
 
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I hope this is indeed about the iMac. I know there are 6 underscores there but I think he did that on purpose to not make it too easy. i___ would be too obvious.

Anyway. I'm hyped. I can't wait to figure out which one I'm going to buy.

Also, 100 pages! ?
The good thing with the iMac is that there are no leaks of cases so we actually get surprised when it is revealed. iPhone leaks are so many so there is no point looking at the keynote.
 

gusping

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Space is also a position. iMac Pro has seven positions as has iMac Air. Not that I can see from underlined text that there are six letters after (i).
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Considering the idiotic cooling requirement for the comet lake "k" chips, this is a realistic lineup.
Ouch, a sub-3Ghz base clock on that 10 core non-k part. No thanks. Given plenty of things still rely on single core performance, I’ll take a lower core count but higher clocks.
 
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Ouch, a sub-3Ghz base clock on that 10 core non-k part. No thanks. Given plenty of things still rely on single core performance, I’ll take a lower core count but higher clocks.
I agree, it is not easy to chose a processor today. 6/12 might be better for some than 10/20.

Is it not so easy to say what speed a processor is running at. There are now two turbo boost options and both are very near the corresponding 10900K. It will be interesting to see some comparisons between between 10900 and 10900K in terms of performance and power.
 
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gusping

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I agree, it is not easy to chose a processor today. 6/12 might be better for some than 10/20.

Is it not so easy to say what speed a processor is running at. There are now two turbo boost options and both are very near the corresponding 10900K. It will be interesting to see some comparisons between between 10900 and 10900K in terms of performance and power.
Good point on the turbo boost speeds. I glossed over those. If a new iMac does come out with a suite of 10th gen CPUs (that is an attractive proposition - redesign etc), then I won’t be rushing in. You cant trust Apple and Intel CPUs these days. Best to wait for testing and reviews.
 

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Yeah unless its either a) got the iMPs cooling or b) is a completely new design, the inside would be a blast furnace. I'm with you, let someone else try it out first :)
I, most likely, will be a first mover. Should I be happy or not?
 
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