Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Azrael9]

That twitter link has six letters behind the i. Only thing that fits would be iMacPro.

A clue. Good catch.

Maybe the new 'iMac' IS the iMac 'Pro...'

I expect the new iMac to eclipse the iMac Pro base line configuration. That would make any iMac in the £1700-£3000 range better value and better performance in terms of CPU and GPU. That and a respray...

The eGamer Mac muted last December...for a WWDC release this year.

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

A clue. Good catch.

Maybe the new 'iMac' IS the iMac 'Pro...'

Azrael.

That would fit my thought that the iMac 2500€/3000€ upwards actually is only sold to Pros and it would fit that the iMac 21.5 is back in stock. Despite the fact that Apple could sell a lot of machines till the 22ed so there is no reason they would not have restocked the 21.5 for these 2 1/2 to 3 weeks.

 

[CWallace]

The iMac shipment delays might be tied to Intel. My father needs a new Windows PC and checking Dell, every desktop with an 8th and 9th generation Intel CPU seems to be delayed into July for delivery.

 

[Azrael9]

That would fit my thought that the iMac 2500€/3000€ upwards actually is only sold to Pros and it would fit that the iMac 21.5 is back in stock. Despite the fact that Apple could sell a lot of machines till the 22ed so there is no reason they would not have restocked the 21.5 for these 2 1/2 to 3 weeks.

...and that the 23/4 inch iMac becomes the new 'consumer' standard in the £999-£1500 price bracket as it originally was.

To me, any iMac 27 in the £1700-£3560 bracket is an iMac 'Pro.' I don't think of those prices as 'consumer.' It's expensive and 'Pro' level. The old Power Mac and the Mac Pro Intel were in these price brackets and were often lauded as 'Pro.' Mhz wars or otherwise.

So, I'd have no objection to keeping the 24 inch model silver and making the 27 incher Pro grey. It's a much clearer divide in terms of marketing as well as the current pricing (which is certainly a gulf 'tween' them.)

Azrael.
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The iMac shipment delays might be tied to Intel. My father needs a new Windows PC and checking Dell, every desktop with an 8th and 9th generation Intel CPU seems to be delayed into July for delivery.

Ok. Fair enough. Makes sense. Which ties in the 'July' shipping after the WWDC reveal?

Azrael.

 

[Icaras]

32in, completely redesigned, 10-core, 5700 XT iMac here we come..... Must lower expectations.

Sounds like your dream machine

Pretty sure it's been discussed to death here, at almost 100 pages, but i highly doubt 32-inch is going to be for the consumer iMac. That machine you're referring is going to be iMac Pro only, which according to mini-LED rumors, may not come until 2021?

 

[gusping]

A clue. Good catch.

Maybe the new 'iMac' IS the iMac 'Pro...'

I expect the new iMac to eclipse the iMac Pro base line configuration. That would make any iMac in the £1700-£3000 range better value and better performance in terms of CPU and GPU. That and a respray...

The eGamer Mac muted last December...for a WWDC release this year.

Azrael.

This so called gamer Mac is puzzling to me. I think it is complete BS or the rumour was lost in translation. There are basically no games on Mac OS, and I doubt Apple will put in a higher refresh screen and/or better GPUs and then say, 'Please use Windows in Bootcamp'.
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Sounds like your dream machine

Pretty sure it's been discussed to death here, at almost 100 pages, but i highly doubt 32-inch is going to be for the consumer iMac. That machine you're referring is going to be iMac Pro only, which according to mini-LED rumors, may not come until 2021?

I know, I know . It all stems from me switching from a 27in 4K monitor to a 32in one. Having a 27in iMac as my main screen, and a larger 32in additional monitor would feel completely wrong, and is a non-starter for me.

 

[DrRadon]

So what do we dream about in a redesign?

To me it would be awesome if the Tier3 "big iMac" starts with 1TB SSD and that Ram is still accessible via a door. It would be very nice if a switch to "iMac Pro" would mean we could get around having to order a BTO machine to get the best gfx and intel processor.
Oh yeah. And i am begging for no price explosion. I am planing 4000-4200€. + maybe another 160€ for RAM. If apple just tacks on another 300€ for new design ill be sad.

 

[Phil77354]

So much of the discussion here has to do with processor improvements, 6-, 8-, 10- and more cores, all of that greater power, and other similar aspects of any new model introduction - I wonder what percentage of users are really making use of such capabilities and how many really need it.

I certainly do not, at least I don't believe so - and I'm guessing that my needs are similar to many others. I make use of the Office applications, do limited numbers of spreadsheets that don't come near to utilizing the full capabilities of Excel, do lots of e-mail, web browsing (of course), streaming video (Apple TV app on my iMac, others), those kinds of things.

I don't do a lot (really any) of photo taking and editing - but do even those applications really require much processor power? Same with respect to video editing, I can imagine that would be more demanding, for those who do those things. But do most people do much more than what I might call basic editing of photos and videos?

The community here is very knowledgeable and sophisticated in understanding very fine nuances to specs and capabilities. That is great and I learn a lot from following discussions here.

But to get back to the discussion of a computer such as the iMac (not the iMac Pro), this is a computer intended for a broad user base, isn't it? MacBooks too (most of them).

I would be interested to know what % of Mac users really do things with their computers that push the capabilities. I am sure that Apple understands this very well.

They surely have their fingers on the needs of their users, as well as a wider consumer base of customers that they want to attract to the Mac - this is where gamers probably enter the picture, since one area the Mac is inferior to a Windows computer seems to be gaming (not saying that is the only one).

What matters to me? Large and high quality display. Enough RAM and storage for my uses. Processor that can run the programs I use. Reliability - thus SSD only. Compatibility with the programs I use and the files I've accumulated over many years.

So - as Apple develops their plans for introducing new models, enhancing their product line, introducing new chips, etc., while I'm sure they want to be as state-of-the-art as they can, I also think that from a practical standpoint the meaningfulness of most of these improvements is not really applicable to a large number of users.

 

[iDan75]

That twitter link has six letters behind the i. Only thing that fits would be iMacPro. Well ok, and iPadPro.

iMacAir

 

[DrRadon]

iMacAir

It is hard to do a redesign for something that dos not exist. xD

 

[iDan75]

It is hard to do a redesign for something that dos not exist. xD

* yet ?

 

[Freida]

@DrRadon will be disappointed! He was so sure redesign is not happening.
If this is really true for iMac (which we don't know yet) then he will be pissed off
ahhahahahaha

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1268213119475568642

???

 

[DrRadon]

I just realised it could be iPadAir. That also has not seen a update in over 400 days.

I´ll only be disappointed if a redesign is as bad as the switch from MBP2015 to MBP2017 decreasing usability and increasing the price.
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With the rummers of apple pencil 2 coming to the next iPad air a redesign would actually make a lot of sense since right now it could not snap to charge anywhere.

 

[Icaras]

So what do we dream about in a redesign?

To me it would be awesome if the Tier3 "big iMac" starts with 1TB SSD and that Ram is still accessible via a door. It would be very nice if a switch to "iMac Pro" would mean we could get around having to order a BTO machine to get the best gfx and intel processor.
Oh yeah. And i am begging for no price explosion. I am planing 4000-4200€. + maybe another 160€ for RAM. If apple just tacks on another 300€ for new design ill be sad.

None of the things you mention point to an actual aesthetic change though, which is what a redesign entails. You're literally outlining a spec bump.

I would personally be happy if the redesign is as simple as slimming the bezels and thinning the chin a bit. But if we're lucky, Apple will trickle down their new design language from the XDR Pro display into the iMac and it would be amazing if we get a simpler, more affordable version of that body and stand.

 

[Freida]

Yeah, that would be great! To me, I would like internal and external redesign as both really need it.
Internal needs better cooling and external needs better look. Those huge bezels are insane and such a turn off. The chin can go on a diet also. Those would be enough but as you said, if they include some elements from XDR then that would be awesome.
Overall, I want look that will go well with XDR if I decide to get one eventually.
Right now, the old ACD 30" would look much better next to iMac than the XDR.

None of the things you mention point to an actual aesthetic change though, which is what a redesign entails. You're literally outlining a spec bump.

I would personally be happy if the redesign is as simple as slimming the bezels and thinning the chin a bit. But if we're lucky, Apple will trickle down their new design language from the XDR Pro display into the iMac and it would be amazing if we get a simpler, more affordable version of that body and stand.

 

[DrRadon]

Well, when thinking redesign i am mostly thinking that they get the machine to cool better and in that redesign i would like to not loose what we already have. Could have been clearer about that i guess. Like i said for many pages, i don't really need a redesign, and if there is i want it to serve me and i fear that it might not.

 

[scotttnz]

This so called gamer Mac is puzzling to me. I think it is complete BS or the rumour was lost in translation. There are basically no games on Mac OS, and I doubt Apple will put in a higher refresh screen and/or better GPUs and then say, 'Please use Windows in Bootcamp'.

That's why I decided to shift my gaming to console last week after struggling with crappy bootcamp bluetooth drivers for hours. I just wanted to play Minecraft Dungeons and when I get home from work I want technology that just works. The side effect of that is I now have less use for a new iMac, and when I do decide to buy I probably won't be so concerned about getting the best GPU anymore. I think I'm going to wait and see how the Mac on arm processor develops over the next year before I spend big money on a new iMac.

I spotted this article over on Toms Hardware. Might force Apple to move rather than keep some models on the 8th gen CPUs:Link

 

[pldelisle]

Minecraft isn't on Mac ??

 

[CWallace]

I spotted this article over on Toms Hardware. Might force Apple to move rather than keep some models on the 8th gen CPUs: Link

That does cover all of the 8th Generation Coffee Lake CPUs in the iMac 21.5" and 27".

Oddly Mac mini "B" model CPUs are not listed.

 

[pldelisle]

Apple is Apple ... They have their own stepping and models in special order

 

[scotttnz]

Minecraft isn't on Mac ??

Minecraft is. Minecraft Dungeons (Basically a Diablo style dungeon crawler in the Minecraft world) is not. Windows, and consoles only.

 

[BlueTide]

I don't do a lot (really any) of photo taking and editing - but do even those applications really require much processor power? Same with respect to video editing, I can imagine that would be more demanding, for those who do those things. But do most people do much more than what I might call basic editing of photos and videos?

This heavily depends on what kind of stuff you do. For most parts, even video editing is not that hard and some things that are harder (like exporting) are also things where you can go out for a walk, have a coffee or something and come back. Obviously, the more sophisticated video editing that you do, more is asked for in regards to processing power.

Personally, I argue that the bigger issue starts to be GPU power and the lack of (good) options. If you happen to want to do something more elaborate on video/photo on Mac, you soon notice that things would get faster with better GPUs. On top of that, many of these things deal with interactive performance, meaning that you can't really just have a break and come back once a long task finishes.

It just sucks that to get anywhere close to modern day GPU performance on a Mac, it's gonna cost you a lot and/or get clunky. Yep, not perhaps the common use case ("most people" imply all the moms, pops & kids which are likely far more numerous and happy with simple projects), but you did ask specifically about performance for video/photo. The people who happen to be... say, prosumers, are getting the short stick at the moment.

 

[krell100]

The idea of gaming on Mac or a "gaming" Mac is ridiculous. That ship has well and truly sailed. No gamers will swap from a cheap Uber-powerful PC build to a dated underpowered AIO with very limited games available.

 

[dn325ci]

The idea of gaming on Mac or a "gaming" Mac is ridiculous. That ship has well and truly sailed. No gamers will swap from a cheap Uber-powerful PC build to a dated underpowered AIO with very limited games available.

Word. iMac serves some specific use cases well. Gaming is not among them. Not sure why Apple would pursue a great gaming machine with AIO. I don’t think that’s where they are going.

 

[Homy]

I spotted this article over on Toms Hardware. Might force Apple to move rather than keep some models on the 8th gen CPUs:Link

Very interesting! Then maybe Apple won't use 10th gen CPUs in the next iMac models except for the top 27". They could go something like this for the same price:

4-core i3-9100 (3.6GHz, Turbo 4.2) instead of 4-core i3-8100 (3.6GHz)

6-core i5-9500/i5-9600 (3.0-3.1GHz, Turbo 4.4-4.6) instead of 6-core i5-8500/8600 (3.0-3.1GHz, Turbo 4.1-4.3)

8-core 8-thread i7-9700 (3.0GHz, Turbo 4.7) instead of 6-core 12-thread i7-8700 (3.2GHz, Turbo 4.6)

6-core 12-thread i5-10600 (3.3GHz, Turbo 4.8, 12 MB Cache) instead of 6-core 6-thread i5-9600K (3.7GHz, Turbo 4.6, 9 MB Cache)

10-core 20-thread i9-10900 (2.8GHz, Turbo 5.2, 20 MB Cache) instead of 8-core 16-thread i9-9600K (3.6GHz, Turbo 5.0, 16 MB Cache)

They could for the same price of 8-core 8-thread i7-9700 (3.0GHz, Turbo 4.7, 12 MB Cache) offer 8-core 16-thread i7-10700 (2.9 GHz, Turbo 4.8, 16 MB Cache). Same thing with i5-9500/i5-9600. They could for the exact same retail price offer i5-10500/i5-10600 which have more threads, more Cache and higher clock speeds, but Intel may not be able to produce enough numbers of 10th gen CPUs for Apple. Therefore Apple could settle for 9th gen CPUs in cheaper iMacs.