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Thermals is THE biggest reason everyone wants a redesign...
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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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Thermals is THE biggest reason everyone wants a redesign...
Throttling might have improved a tad, but the thermals and ergo fan noise are still abysmal
Everyone here knows how constrained the iMac is heat-wise
I can not agree, because for the technologies that are in this computer today, the manufacturer is asking more money than they cost. To tell the truth, this display has not undergone major changes over the past 6 years. Time is moving forward, technology too, but a computer with a good, but far from fresh monitor costs the same, why?
And as for the cooling system, the people above were correctly told that the computer is still suffering from this ailment. He needs a solution to hardware redesign like iMac Pro. This is not the first year we have been waiting. Personally, I don’t care about the external design, but the outdated I/O also requires a solution
You are simply wrong about the display. Even six years on, there is still no more than a small handful of options available that are even similar in quality to the 5k screen, and the one name brand that's available runs nearly $1200 for the monitor alone - when you can buy an entire iMac for $1500!
Believe me, I've looked. I have been using a 4k 27" monitor connected to my work laptop for years and thought there should be something a bit better available now. Other than the LG 5k there really isn't anything for under about $3k that meaningfully improves on my still excellent 4k screen.
To begin with, I will notice that $ 1,500 iMac is not worth the money they ask for it. This is a beautiful, but too weak machine. I know, because I'm writing from this thing right now. I use it as a temporary solution.
Now the second: today a great monitor, even if not 5K, but worthy of 25-27" with 4K resolution can be found very easily with a comparable price or less. From LG, Dell, BenQ etc. However, their parameters like the Hertz frequency and response time are usually higher. 5K was a breakthrough in 2014 and in 2015 and so on, but today 2020 and the fact that it still does not support HDR at the simplest levels and, relatively speaking, costs the same as it cost is all wrong.
Believe me, conditionally tomorrow there will be a new iMac with an updated display (qualitatively) and everyone will recognize that the current one has become outdated. Just for one day.
Every company that wants to remain in business needs to make a profit.
It's a specialized display for a small market that sells in (relatively) low volumes, so LG is not going to invest significantly into it just to add specs for the sake of specs. There has also some technological limits - 120Hz at 5K was not supported prior to the release of DisplayPort 1.4. Samsung announced a 49" 5120×1440 display that supports AMD FreeSync at 120Hz last year so perhaps LG will add it - maybe as part of the rumored mini-LED 27" 5K panel for the 2020 iMac Pro.
Sure, but their PPI is well-below Retina and their image quality (compared to a Retina display) is significantly degraded.
But not every company can do it and does it like our beloved companyEvery company that wants to remain in business needs to make a profit.
It always has been, but now is the moment when the iMac is not very profitable to buy due to outdated hardware design. Take for example iPhones. Every year they become significantly cheaper with the advent of new models, which, incidentally, always have a strong advantage over the previous one. Not externally, but internally. Yes, a computer and a phone are different scales, but you don’t have to wait for computer updates every year. And what did we get new in iMac 2019, when compared with the models of 2017 and 2015? Improving processor, graphics card and amount of memory? 2 new TB3 ports? If it can be called achievements (I can’t), then in any case it is the achievements of Intel and AMD. Apple has not contributed its technical word to these computers for a long time. While there has long been a problem with the cooling system. No changes. This is not serious!By the way, at this moment I perfectly understand those who ask for an update and external design. In practice, it turns out: the company announces a new product (computer) and talks about how beautiful it is inside and out, right?When buying this computer, we pay, including for the visual design, for how it looks, for the work that the developer has contributed to this device in all aspects. This is included in the cost of the final product, as well as the standard support service and software and everything else. Question: if the design has not changed for almost 10 years, why is the price not reduced each time? There is almost no cost for design, for new developments, except to change 2 TB2 holes to TB3.
I’m just talking about this. It’s time to take the next step forward and it is desirable to make it the first as usual. But now it is in doubt.
How do you measure the overall quality of a display other than PPI? PPI is good, and I myself have been using the monitors from Apple for many years, but do not get stuck with these magic numbers. After all, in this case, you can look at the laptops from other manufacturers and often find 4K resolution on ~14" panels, which the MacBook Pro can only dream of. Is it necessary? Not sure. But it exists? Yes. And in our case not the fact that most users would be unhappy with the 4K display, if it were on 27 "displays. I personally have not yet met people who, sitting at such monitors, would complain that they could discern individual pixels on their monitors with their eyes, and therefore they critically need 5K. And you?
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I understand your thinking but I think your knowledge is maybe not up to date as you are mixing time with desire.
I've recently looked for a good screen and its true, that there are not that many options when it comes to 5K and specs. Either its super expensive or its just not that good. LG ultrafine is decent but the design is terrible (collaboration with Apple - ROFL) For some reason, there is always some compromise.
So, if you are going to get a panel for AiO then there needs to be certain price point/specs that you want and seeing that the current 5K is great, Apple is not having much other options. So that leaves us to wait and see if Apple can get something custom and innovate there.
I've recently looked for a good screen and its true, that there are not that many options when it comes to 5K and specs. Either its super expensive or its just not that good. LG ultrafine is decent but the design is terrible (collaboration with Apple - ROFL) For some reason, there is always some compromise.
So, if you are going to get a panel for AiO then there needs to be certain price point/specs that you want and seeing that the current 5K is great, Apple is not having much other options. So that leaves us to wait and see if Apple can get something custom and innovate there.
So are you really stating that you don't agree that the 5k monitor in Apple's 27" iMac is "still one of the the best mainstream/consumer screens sold to this day"? I just don't get that, maybe I'm missing something. It seems to me you just want to complain about something, even if that something is still a superior product. No one is selling a better monitor for the mainstream market that I'm aware of, even six years after its introduction. That to me is a little bit incredible.
Mainstream / consumer in what area? Creativity, gaming, watching media? Comparing with all competitors the prices are medium and higher, the only plus of the 5K monitor is its resolution and integration into a nice design (which by the way many already don’t like). And what else? Low response speed? Not. High frequencies? Not. View and work with HDR? Not.
Viewsonic VP2768-4K 27 " - all key parameters except resolution at the same level or better
DELL UltraSharp U2718Q 27 " - same + HDR support.
The search took one minute. Welcome to the real world, Neo.
No. I just want to buy a new iMac, but I can not. Because there is no new iMac. I do not want to give money for outdated hardware, I/O and a monitor at the price of new and innovative.
In addition to my iMac 5K, I have ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q, which is a highly-rated 27" QHD panel, but with a PPI half that of the iMac, I find that for everything but games, I prefer the iMac panel. And no, I cannot see the pixels on either monitor at the distance I sit, but text and high-resolution images look sharper and spending long sessions reading text I find less eye-fatigue with the 5K display.
If Apple wants to put a lower-PPI 24" 4K panel on the 4K iMac to save some money over the custom 21.5" retina panel, I'm okay with that since I am not in that market. But I do not want Apple to replace the 27" 5K panel with a lower-PPI 32" 4K panel.
LOL. The $1500 iMac in the refurb store is a 6-core i5 with a 1TB fusion drive and 8GB of RAM easily upgraded as needed. This is more powerful than the vast majority of computers in the world. And the computer is essentially $300 after accounting for the display and that includes a keyboard and mouse.
Yes, there are places Apple can take the display further and I suspect they will do so rather soon. However even as it stands today, the included 5k display is unique in the industry at any price and far better than what you can get from nearly any other manufacturer - even stand alone - for anything resembling a price an average consumer would pay.
OK, I agree to disagree with you. Your monitor examples are not superior in my view. I consider the mainstream market to be the folks that don't need things such as the highest available color accuracy or 144hz refresh rates.
Fair. But I do not give an example of 1440p for 27 inches. For me, this is also not enough. But 172 ppi at 4K is no longer a difference, not 2 times. Moreover, I don’t want to reduce the resolution of iMacs, just as I personally do not need to increase the diagonal. But there should already be support for HDR in computer monitors of a self-respecting, innovative company. (which sells HDR content) especially since many brands already have it.
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Where did you get the information that they are the most accurate and how do you measure this accuracy, based on what research and comparisons with others?
And I correctly understood that HDR does not impress you until Apple enters it into its mass monitors?
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As a point of reference, the Dell up2718q which is in the same class as the kind of panels Apple would put in an iMac, is over $1500, for 4k HDR. Most of the inexpensive panels that advertise HDR have a spec sheet designed to sell well on Amazon to customers who are mostly concerned about price and paper specs. The HDR at that price level is often fairly meaningless, and the panels will typically have other faults that would be unacceptable to Apple.
So yeah, an iMac at 5k with 144hz and HDR would be great - and maybe that's what Apple will put out soon that will allow them to continue to stay on top for the next 6 years - but let's not kid ourselves - even as it stands today, the 5k iMac monitor is exceptionally good compared to the competition at anything similar in price - let alone when you factor in the value of the computer that's included.
I'm not saying they are the most color accurate, I thought I was conceding that they aren't super color accurate. HDR sounds impressive to me, but I personally don't need it. I consider myself a mainstream computer user because I live in MS Office all day - Word, Excel and PowerPoint. I loved the sharpness that the 5k panel provided me (when I owned one). I also do my share of YouTube, some Lightroom, and the usual web surfing.
However I do share your desire for Apple to kick things up a notch after all these years, however I'm trying to manage my expectations for the iMac as I'm hoping Apple can keep the price reasonable after the next refresh.
We could see HDR in the rumored 2020 27" iMac Pro since the rumored mini-LED back-lighting would allow better local dimming control and higher nits.
But if you mainly want to watch movies on a computer display, I recommend the $4000 Asus ProArt PA32UCX as it has Dolby Vision HDR and excellent color accuracy thanks to mini-LED and Quantum Dots. Frankly, it's a better monitor for this purpose than the Pro Display XDR.
But if you mainly want to watch movies on a computer display, I recommend the $4000 Asus ProArt PA32UCX as it has Dolby Vision HDR and excellent color accuracy thanks to mini-LED and Quantum Dots. Frankly, it's a better monitor for this purpose than the Pro Display XDR.
It's not, but part of the keyboard is hidden from view which creates an illusion of the screen being bigger than it is. There's no way an unreleased Apple product would appear like that, and there's no way Apple would release a complete redesign of the iMac without utilizing more modern technology which would allow the bezels on at least three sides of the computer to be narrower.