Maybe we’ll get HW announcements all week, like iMac tomorrow, tags Wednesday, AirPod studio Thursday? No? Nothing?! Who am I kidding where’s the rite aid whiskey
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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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I was amazed at the emulation of 1080p Tomb Raider.
And the 6 million polygon Maya scene. :O
It was very impressive for emulation.
Had me at 'hello.'
Running iOS games directly...well, ALL the apps directly, is absolutely MASSIVE for Mac.
The Mac ARM has millions upon millions of 'Mac' ARM apps at launch. And it emulate all the Intel ones. :O
Azrael.
I think the goal was just to show that you can actually emulate x86 code. Once the DPKs are in people's hands, I am sure we'll get the full benchmarks.
But let us not forget the DPK is using a 2018-era A12 SoC. We will be on A13, if not A14, for the first shipping consumer Mac.
The XDR might work with Alternate DisplayPort mode under USB-C.
Well, after Tim Apple talked me down from the ledge...
We don't always get what we want. (Especially with Apple.) However...
Mac ARM was truly thought provoking.
Some things are even bigger than 'a new Intel iMac' right now. ie. Apple could have announced them and shipped in July. That would compete with the seismic Mac ARM announcement. Better to just launch the Intel iMacs in July(?) sans WWDC (...seems the most obvious.)
And it didn't make sense to talk about the past when you're introducing the future.
Other than the Steve Jobs PPC to Intel transition playbook of...
'We have some exciting future products for Mac ARM...and some exciting future products for Intel Macs...(ie real soon in July?)'
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*nods.
I was mighty impressed with what I saw that mac ARM mini A12z doing.
3x4k windows playing super smooth.
1080p Tomb Raider emulation looking great and super smooth.
...on...a....Mac....Mini...
*steadies himself....**sits down...
A14X anyone?! A full two years on from the A12x. One generation on can be impressive. But two generations on should only compound the gap between the two. The A12X is a beast.
It makes sense why the iPad 12.9 didn't get it. All spot light on the A14'X' Mac ARM for Macbook 13 inch Pro and iMac 24 incher later this year?
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Fair enough. Comment was mostly to the poster who was excited about the perf.
Yeah, and the boxes are likely to show very little on the GPU front either.
It will happen 'soon' anthony13. Likely 2nd half this year. ie. July. Probably. Recast rumours will probably drop real soon for the iMac 27 incher. Confirming July, August or September. Which is looking like the last Intel based Mac to me. But if it stretches to September that's not too far off a Mac ARM iMac by the sounds of it. Interesting times.
Looking at the back end of this WWDC. The Mac ARM is seismic.
They don't want to be selling iNtel iMacs whilst trumpet blowing the Mac ARM. It wouldn't make sense.
They're selling the exciting new future. That is the focus of WWDC. The future.
And that sooner is arriving alot sooner than even I thought.
That Mac ARM 24 inch iMac...*stares at the floor in a trance...
Azrael.
Hopefully they're bracing up to announce them all at one hardware event.
Hopefully this event is sooner than Sep/Oct/Nov.
You mean within the 90 odd pages that have appeared within the last month? I saw the Prosser tweet for the "iMacs ready since March", but nothing from anyone else. This rando's "no" doesn't mean jack sh*t
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I'm very happy I didn't push the button on a 7,1 Mac Pro. I think the base model will become even more embarrassing once ARM iMacs drop. If you can wait another 6-12 months I'd sit tight and see what Apple offer, in two years it will be really interesting...
The 'Death Star' is coming for Intel.
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I wanted a Mac that could run Procreate...
...it looks like I'll get my wish. :O
Azrael.
I’ve got a 2015 MacBook Pro (13) and a imac 27 2015. I think two years will be perfect for an upgrade to both.
I’m excited by the future for the Mac. But kinda disappointed by the keynote in general. No big things except the known-from-everyone ARM transition. All small things, nice to have, but nothing revolutionary.
Where is Xcode on iPadOS ? Wouldn’t be a good testbed and accessible for many more developers while having a GOOD code editor on the iPad ? Ridiculous.
No hardware. Really disappointing.
Nothing big under the hood for macOS. No new framework/libraries. Nothing about real optimizations, performance numbers (Except for safari...).
I didn’t have the “I need this, I want to be part of this” feeling during this keynote.
I might be jaded (?), but I’m disappointed. Sorry Apple. Not announcing new hardware while still selling a freaking old line up and without price drop for a 2 gen old mac mini and 3 years old iMac Pro is a shame.
Where is Xcode on iPadOS ? Wouldn’t be a good testbed and accessible for many more developers while having a GOOD code editor on the iPad ? Ridiculous.
No hardware. Really disappointing.
Nothing big under the hood for macOS. No new framework/libraries. Nothing about real optimizations, performance numbers (Except for safari...).
I didn’t have the “I need this, I want to be part of this” feeling during this keynote.
I might be jaded (?), but I’m disappointed. Sorry Apple. Not announcing new hardware while still selling a freaking old line up and without price drop for a 2 gen old mac mini and 3 years old iMac Pro is a shame.
The OG iPhone demo was a dummy phone playing videos being controlled by people in the back. The phone never worked at that point and it was the first time the “demo” went off without a hitch so anything is possible
I get it, but I think Apple is playing its hand close to the chest. If the hardware demo was legit (let's pretend for the sake of conjecture), A12Z is at least on par with Mac Mini, if not way ahead in the GPU department. If that's the baseline, we can use our imagination wrt how the hardware scales. There was also mention of "Unified Memory Architecture," which confirms my suspicion that this is not simply a move to ARM, its a move to fully realized heterogeneous compute (!). I think that's exciting, even if they don't disclose exactly how it works.
i Wonder how that will work out. Feels very anoing to me to think of using iPad apps with only a mouse. I asume track pads will rise a lot higher on desktop?
Mate, I think you posted your question on page 181. Have a read at the previous page (180). I listed other leak sources than Prosser at 9pm (Kuo/ Sonny Dickson) and Dr Radon listed reasons that we could still expect iMacs imminently at 9.48pm & 9.53pm, including reference to an unnamed leaker. Your question was just over an hour later and to be honest I couldn't be bothered responding because it was so soon after we'd just discussed the leaks and I was more interested in reading this and other threads to see people's reaction to the event. Don't let a terse response get you heated. Just ask the question again and someone will be reminded to come in and respond.
Notable leaks:-
Kuo
First Arm-Based Macs to Be 13-Inch MacBook Pro and Redesigned iMac, Launches Coming in Late 2020 or Early 2021
Apple plans to introduce its Arm-based custom designed chips for Macs at WWDC, Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said in a note to investors today, agreeing...
www.macrumors.com
Sonny Dickson
New iMac With 'iPad Pro Design Language' and Thin Bezels Reportedly Coming at WWDC
WWDC is shaping up to see some significant Mac news, starting with word earlier today that Apple will be beginning its shift to its own Arm-based...
www.macrumors.com
China Times
Lower-Priced 23-Inch iMac and 11-Inch iPad Models Rumored to Launch in Second Half of 2020
Apple plans to introduce a 23-inch iMac in the second half of 2020, with mass production set to begin in the third or fourth quarter, according to a...
www.macrumors.com
I suspect the China Times 23" lower cost iMac is the same 24" ARM iMac that Kuo slates for Q420 (at the earliest), because Apple should be able to manufacture iMacs cheaper with its ARM processors, although you never know, there's always a chance that Apple could drop a 23" intel iMac along with the 27".
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I wonder after today if Apple has any better intel on who‘s leaking info to these bloggers.
Based on what i see on the Big Sur beta...i guess the macs, like future design imac and probably new design macbooks, will get rounded edges...since all the windows and apps icons are rounded, and camera api improvements also based on A chip specification , so expect macs with faceID for sure
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The big question is, for me at least, if Apple has a reason to ditch amd for dGpu....no matter how powerful A chips and their iGpu are...still cant match those 120W and up dGpu...and based on rumours apple is not making any stand alone gpu's. And since Amd let apple full access to their Gpu segment, i dont see any reasons to remove that from upcoming big imacs and from the 16" Mbp... I bet the A chips will be significant better vs Intel cpu+igpu for the smaller Macbook airs and for the smaller macbook pro, but for the larger macs, they still, and we still need those dGpu
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There was actually a hardware preview of fundamental proportions - Apple silicone. The ARM iMac will not run a A14X but SoC specially designed for Macs. Expect a 100-200W SoC for an iMac. A14X operate <10W so expect the Apple silicone for Mac may have perhaps 5-10 fold more compute than an A14X divided.
What is interesting is the impact on the PC market. Will PC user accept using Intel/AMD/NVIDIA that uses perhaps 5-10-fold higher power draw for a given performance? In the long run, they will not. Cost saving (and CO2 saving) industries will look at Apple all of a sudden.
What will happen with the price structure when Apple is not buying CPU and GPU from Intel/AMD? Apple has a chance to make high quality and powerful computers that will compete with PC on price, which is unheard of, and still make a tidy profit (which is heard of) . As many uses centralised systems accessible via a web browsers, PC dependent professional sectors may soon look very differently on the Mac because the TCO will heavily shift to Apples advantage.
Big Sur (nice to learn some geography) takes cues from the iPadOS. I do not think we are getting touch support but perhaps pencil support which is useful for many industries although it is so liberating to put up your legs far away from the office desk and take an iPad and pencil to sketch out ideas.
There was actually a hardware preview of fundamental proportions - Apple silicone. The ARM iMac will not run a A14X but SoC specially designed for Macs. Expect a 100-200W SoC for an iMac. A14X operate <10W so expect the Apple silicone for Mac may have perhaps 5-10 fold more compute than an A14X divided.
What is interesting is the impact on the PC market. Will PC user accept using Intel/AMD/NVIDIA that uses perhaps 5-10-fold higher power draw for a given performance? In the long run, they will not. Cost saving (and CO2 saving) industries will look at Apple all of a sudden.
What will happen with the price structure when Apple is not buying CPU and GPU from Intel/AMD? Apple has a chance to make high quality and powerful computers that will compete with PC on price, which is unheard of, and still make a tidy profit (which is heard of
) . As many uses centralised systems accessible via a web browsers, PC dependent professional sectors may soon look very differently on the Mac because the TCO will heavily shift to Apples advantage. Big Sur (nice to learn some geography) takes cues from the iPadOS. I do not think we are getting touch support but perhaps pencil support which is useful for many industries although it is so liberating to put up your legs far away from the office desk and take an iPad and pencil to sketch out ideas.
No need for that, based on power/1W. Maybe for the mac pro yes, 200W is a given, but for imacs and macbook pros..around 45W-65W is more than enough. They want a slim imac but with far better thermals so 65W +120W dGpu is more then enough for the bigger imac
New: Kuo: 24-Inch iMac With New Design to Launch in Fourth Quarter of 2020
Reads to me as:
- refreshed Intel-based iMac in the third quarter of 2020
- redesigned 24-inch ARM iMac in the fourth quarter of 2020
Reads to me as:
- refreshed Intel-based iMac in the third quarter of 2020
- redesigned 24-inch ARM iMac in the fourth quarter of 2020
"Kuo expects Apple to refresh its existing Intel-based iMac in the third quarter of 2020, which encompasses July through September. It is unclear if this model will feature a new design"
So the intel based big imac...still 50-50% chances
