Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Azrael9]

Told you all. It’s gonna be Sept- October

Ming pretty much said a fall release.

And this is Sept-Oct'.

Azrael.
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Eh, at least Apple is consistently disappointing, they have that going for them.

See you, everyone, tomorrow lol.

They have set high standards of creative ambition under Steve Jobs. Design. Product. Value for money.

Mac desktop wise....in the Cook era? *shrugs.

Azrael.

 

[The_Lord_of_Apple]

@DrRadon well only one way to find out!!!

 

[Azrael9]

Another indirect clue to the shift in tech' that is going to happen from September onwards.

Eg. Ampere...RDNA2

With Intel iMac and PS5 to follow...

...and a Mac ARM by year's end.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30 Series expected to launch in September? - VideoCardz.com

We have some (conflicting) information on a possible launch schedule for the upcoming GeForce series. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30 Launch Date? Overclocking.com: August According to Overclocking.com, NVIDIA would launch GeForce RTX 30 series in August. It would be a limited quantity launch with a focus...

videocardz.com

We have already heard that NVIDIA is discontinuing the series, so it is only a matter of time before we see ‘out of stock’ information at more retailers. EVGA has already stopped promoting the 2080 Ti on their website.

Meanwhile, desktop Mac owners have Polaris (really old tech') and Vega (old tech')...and not even last year mid-range gpu performance in 2020 on any desktop between £1500-£3000.

Azrael.

 

[jetjaguar]

I just want a Mac Pro

 

[xgman]

Told you all. It’s gonna be Sept- October

or July or August or November or never....

 

[Azrael9]

I just want a Mac Pro

We all want a 'Mac Pro.'

Apple have had a decade and still haven't got it right for the demographic it inhabited.

To be fair, the Mac Pro grater's last spec under Jobs was underwhelming and wasn't as affordable as it previously was.

Under Cook, we got a nice innovation cul-de-sac which would have been better suited as a Mac Pro Mini at a mid-range tower price of £1350-£1750+ (BTO).

The G3s. Great tower. Access. Blistering speed. Actual GPU leading performance at the time. Affordable.
G4. Much the same. Slight price rise.
G5. Great industrial design. Price rise noticeable.

Trash Can? Entry price is no longer sub-£2k. It's £2.5k. A thermal cul-de-sac augmented by wired rats nest. And Apple nickle and dime the tower buyer for a kb and mouse. But they don't charge you extra for the power cable?
...
....and 6 years later?
£6k. For a spec you can easily get £1250-£1500 PC wise. Not mainstream. Over enginneered for what many tower buyers wanted.

It's just a joke. A beautiful joke.

Expressed in the tongue of the common vernacular...

Feel free to join in...if you miss the affordable Mac Tower..., *clears throat..., 'You don't know what you're doing...' *points finger in direction of Cuper Campus...

Azrael.

 

[iPadified]

I don’t think Apple will release anything with a marketing view that it’s “phased out”. If they are releasing anything it is to make money.

you have to ask yourself, would a redesigned intel Mac sell better than the old design? The answer is definitely yes. It’s not that hard to design a new look for an iMac and change the back panel slightly to accommodate new chips. They’ve been doing that with the current design for years.

Its very possible that Apple will release the last intel iMac in the old design, especially if that is released this month. If it’s September Or later though, I think that’s a new design. They would have dropped a spec bump by now with no fanfare if there is no new design. No need to hype that up for September.

there are many reasons to redesign the last intel, and most of them are to move units and cash in. If they wanted to wait to debut new designs with new chips they’d wait until everything was ready. Part of a transition means crossover while keep sales up and freshening up the line.

I cannot follow the logic to update a design that has a life time of 1-2 years when it is already 8 years old. They should have updated the iMac design years ago to make any sense and get the investment back. Furthermore, why increase sales on Intel Macs when Apple would benefit more to steer sales over to AS Macs? A redesigned Intel iMac could share the same case as the AS Mac but I think the power envelope is so different so that is not a good idea.

Lack of components might be the reason for delayed update.

 

[enemy14123]

But its very early in San Francisco?
6:42 am?

 

[Freida]

I think so too. Early 2020 update was cancelled (if it ever existed) and we will now get just Late 2020 model.
Redesign, custom Intel chip it seems (for better thermals), RDNA1+ & RDNA2 (for better thermals), SSD

If they throw bigger screen on top of it then I will be ecstatic

Told you all. It’s gonna be Sept- October

 

[DrRadon]

If pesimisem is enough reasoning i am calling that there will be no new iMac before 2022 with ARM.

 

[Freida]

Well, its simple. I doubt Apple wants to release a last iMac that will not sell at all (or very little). Also, AS will have some thermals too (better for sure but hey) so the iMac redesign was in works for a while. Its not something that was decided few months ago. Most likely they were working on it for couple of years. So, redesign for Intel - stimulate the sales by that also and on top of that, when you switch to AS you have a headroom for the AS. (remember 2013 MP?)

So all in all, I know I'm biased but I really hope that last intel will be with a redesign that will switch over to AS too. And then what Apple might do is to make it thinner and thinner and thinner until its basically giant iPad on a magic stand

I cannot follow the logic to update a design that has a life time of 1-2 years when it is already 8 years old. They should have updated the iMac design years ago to make any sense and get the investment back. Furthermore, why increase sales on Intel Macs when Apple would benefit more to steer sales over to AS Macs? A redesigned Intel iMac could share the same case as the AS Mac but I think the power envelope is so different so that is not a good idea.

Lack of components might be the reason for delayed update.

 

[Azrael9]

I don’t think Apple will release anything with a marketing view that it’s “phased out”. If they are releasing anything it is to make money.

you have to ask yourself, would a redesigned intel Mac sell better than the old design? The answer is definitely yes. It’s not that hard to design a new look for an iMac and change the back panel slightly to accommodate new chips. They’ve been doing that with the current design for years.

Its very possible that Apple will release the last intel iMac in the old design, especially if that is released this month. If it’s September Or later though, I think that’s a new design. They would have dropped a spec bump by now with no fanfare if there is no new design. No need to hype that up for September.

there are many reasons to redesign the last intel, and most of them are to move units and cash in. If they wanted to wait to debut new designs with new chips they’d wait until everything was ready. Part of a transition means crossover while keep sales up and freshening up the line.

I agree with your reasoning.

It would look very odd to have an 'ancient' design alongside the 'new sexy' design dropping several months after.

A marketing chalk and cheese.

You'd be charged more for the 'outdated' Intel design than the sexy new design. With the 'new' AS iMac design more than a match for the Intel: inside and out.

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Well, its simple. I doubt Apple wants to release a last iMac that will not sell at all (or very little).

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So all in all, I know I'm biased but I really hope that last intel will be with a redesign that will switch over to AS too. And then what Apple might do is to make it thinner and thinner and thinner until its basically giant iPad on a magic stand

Makes sense to me.

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If pesimisem...

Hope springs eternal.

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2020 iMac: What we know so far about the design, specs, more - 9to5Mac

The 2020 iMac is expected to be released soon with an all-new industrial design, faster processors, and more. Here's what we know so far.

9to5mac.com

To review some of the tea leaves.

Unannounced iMac appears in Geekbench results with 10-core Intel i9 CPU, Radeon Pro 5300 GPU - 9to5Mac

Various rumors have suggested that Apple has a new family of iMac models on the way sooner rather than later....

9to5mac.com

To review the Geekbench 'leak.'

For those 'happening by' this thread.

Azrael.

 

[satchmo]

At the very least the climate report is gone from the landing page. Who knows, maybe we get lucky in the next couple of hours.

This is a good sign...I was afraid it was going to be up the entire week.

Tomorrow.

 

[krazzix]

Wasn't there some (perhaps unreliable) leaker that said this Thursday? I can't find it anymore. Maybe it was in my dream.

 

[anthony13]

I’m holding out hope until 10am pacific.

 

[Azrael9]

I’m holding out hope until 10am pacific.

Go anthony!!!

Faith!!!!!!!

Will it happen.....today....

...or TOMORROW!?!?!?

For the love of Jobs...

Azrael.

 

[xgman]

The average imac buyer will see a cool shiny new form. The average imac user may hear about the Apple Silicon, but will not understand the difference nor care much, so even with the old intel, I think they will sell many more if they bring the new design sooner than later.

 

[DrRadon]

Wasn't there some (perhaps unreliable) leaker that said this Thursday? I can't find it anymore. Maybe it was in my dream.

No. You are just discrediting someone who is highly reliable that said nothing more than "stuff is ready to ship" actually.

 

[anthony13]

Go anthony!!!

Faith!!!!!!!

Will it happen.....today....

...or TOMORROW!?!?!?

For the love of Jobs...

Azrael.

Plus it’s too early in the day to feel defeated here 🦁

 

[Azrael9]

This is a good sign...I was afraid it was going to be up the entire week.

Tomorrow.

*rolls about laughing.

Heh...heh...

iEarth...

Our market capitlisation is now so big...we decided to make a new Earth. A 'better' one with £6k towers with cheap PC specs...and wheels that cost £600...(sure, you can't afford the tower...but you can afford iWheels checking to help prevent wasting energy and expending air by using our iWheels as roller skates...) and to make sure you're environmentally friendly...we're going to track where you go and what you do and who you talk to and make sure your sub to iGreen is paying off. Using your iTravel reduce your carbon footprint to make sure you keep all journeys necessary and local...and we have a great plan to check how much iAir you have access to...(the 1st cubic unit of Air is on us...) with our new 'iAir' rental plan...to make sure you're using your iWheels...we'll know where you're going and who you said it to.

Like the outdated sockets on our Macs, we're decided to do away with all sockets on our Macs...we're going to attach a wireless 5g dongle to your head...starting with the 'iBrain' tech' using the 'iThink' software...so the AI Hive mind can eliminate brain fog.

*****

Thursday. That would be a good day for the Intel iMac release.

Azrael.

 

[krazzix]

No. You are just discrediting someone who is highly reliable that said nothing more than "stuff is ready to ship" actually.

No I don't mean him. It was something like: 23-07 👀

 

[Dosing]

Thursday. That would be a good day for the Intel iMac release.

Azrael.

I wholeheartedly agree! (Or, y'know, now or sometime extremely close to now )

 

[CWallace]

Told you all. It’s gonna be Sept- October

Well if it is October (at a dedicated Mac event), that supports a design refresh, IMO, because the parts that I believe will be in it (10th Gen Comet Lake and Radeon Pro 5300 / 5500 / 5600) are already out so there is no reason to wait if it will be the same case design as current.

So new ~24" design with Apple Silicon and new ~27-32" design with Intel? Plus Apple Silicon MacBooks (Pro and Air?)

 

[jetjaguar]

Well if it is October (at a dedicated Mac event), that supports a design refresh, IMO, because the parts that I believe will be in it (10th Gen Comet Lake and Radeon Pro 5300 / 5500 / 5600) are already out (and in the case of the GPUs, already in use in the 16" MacBook Pro) so there is no reason to wait if it will be the same case design as current.

So new ~24" design with Apple Silicon and new ~27-32" design with Intel? Plus Apple Silicon MacBooks (Pro and Air?)

They should just release all AS macs from here on out. Cancel all future intel releases.

 

[Azrael9]

Well if it is October (at a dedicated Mac event), that supports a design refresh, IMO, because the parts that I believe will be in it (10th Gen Comet Lake and Radeon Pro 5300 / 5500 / 5600) are already out (and in the case of the GPUs, already in use in the 16" MacBook Pro) so there is no reason to wait if it will be the same case design as current.

So new ~24" design with Apple Silicon and new ~27-32" design with Intel? Plus Apple Silicon MacBooks (Pro and Air?)

Are those 'laptop' gpus ie the 5300/5500/5600?

ie. That may indicated a 'new' iMac design for the Intel iMac. (And explain the sveltness in the widely rumoured 'mock ups.')

And what will the BTO be? Pro 5700 (RDNA1+ re-spin?) 6600M (HBM variant RDNA2?)

Might also explain the wait for this 'custom' downclock lower power 10 core?

October onwards suggest there could be a dual launch of AS and Intel iMac together giving the 21 inch the elbow.

(...and if the AS14 is ready for an iMac 24...then it would be about ready for AS laptops too Air and Macbook Pro 13.)

24 AS iMac.
27-32 iMac.

They can both have the same design going by the specs you suggest...as the cpu and gpu insinuate a much lower thermal envelope than the current model?

Effectively learning towards a laptop on a stand with a sevelte design? I can live with that if it is a substantial update that outperforms the current Intel models with other enhancements like SSD and 16 gigs of RAM standard....and that modern design to sweet the Apple sticker price.

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They should just release all AS macs from here on out. Cancel all future intel releases.

Tim Apple has already said Intel Mac and AS Mac products are arriving this year.

Some will 'need' Intel Macs.

Some have adequate Macs to wait for the AS Macs.

Azrael.