Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[CWallace]

I don't know my processors. Are you saying this can only fit into an iMac?

No, but based on their projected TDPs, they would be a solid choice for an iMac.

Launching both at the same time is shooting themself in the foot.

Oh look, here is our new AS iMac.

Oh look, we are still not able to get our sh*t done with higher performing chips, so here is the iMac 27 On Intel.

Read ”fail” here.

Depends on the Apple Silicon models launched.

I think a 24" Apple Silicon iMac would legitimately compete against an 8th Generation Intel i5 with iGPU. I do not expect it to run head-to-head with a 10th generation Intel i9 with a workstation-class dGPU and anyone with reasonable expectations should expect the same.

So if Apple shows off a 24" AS iMac as the 21.5" Intel iMac replacement and also offers a 27" Intel iMac that only comes with higher-end 9th and 10th generation Intel i5/i7/i9 CPUs and workstation-class dGPUs, I don't expect serious Apple-reporting media to go "omegaul Apple Silicon is terrible!".

 

[Azrael9]

I think you make a point there re: the 24 inch...

Apple will probably position as better than the 21 inch. Not that difficult.

Fast-er performance. Better gpu (again, not difficult..) And sexy design with a bigger screen.

But leave enough beef on the Intel iMac to allow people to buy the 27 inch bigger iMac without remorse.

I'd expect the AS silicon to close the gap between the smaller and bigger models.

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

I want a new iMac

 

[Freida]

Most of us do but at the same time we want good deal. So I vote - Sep/Oct and redesign + rdna2

I want a new iMac

 

[Azrael9]

I want a new iMac

Me too, Dr.

Intel iMac 'days to weeks' and that was from a 'reliable' leaker who has called a few things.

That means anytime from Thursday to August.

What we don't want is an apology of an update. If this means this release is dependent on Intel gpu and AMD gpu tech' relating to the Sep' announcements? It's 'only' another 5 weeks.

I know we thought that back in March...and before the WWDC...and thought that July might be a post AS silicon WWDC announcement...

But the parts leaked aren't available yet. And they indicate iMac parts not released yet by Intel or AMD.

Azrael.

 

[pldelisle]

That means anytime from Thursday to August.

From Thursday to December 31***

 

[Azrael9]

Most of us do but at the same time we want good deal. So I vote - Sep/Oct and redesign + rdna2

Cpu. Lower power option. Not announced yet. Intel have a Sep 2 event.
Gpu. RDNA1+ and RDNA2. AMD Sep event.

If iPhone is delayed (I think we've had a few stories indicating that...) that more than gives room for an iMac announcement

Which would tie in with the 'fall' (early fall?) announcement hinted at by Ming?

And a 6600M (RDNA2 part) is a Mac part that has been listed. That would be tied to the AMD Sep' announcement. Again. Another thing indicating tech' waiting to drop for this Intel iMac.

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

I should just go 21,5 inch with the Vega 20 and "save" 1000€, feel good about it and never look back for 7-8 years.

 

[anthony13]

I want a new iMac

Realness.

 

[Kjs100]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1283834676185124864

 

[fireguy286]

seems clear to me every day no new Mac hardware till Big Sur launches.

 

[krazzix]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1283834676185124864

That's quite an old image:

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[pldelisle]

I should just go 21,5 inch with the Vega 20 and "save" 1000€, feel good about it and never look back for 7-8 years.

Too small.

 

[yellow_lupine]

I wonder what it takes for a company like Apple to finally release a desktop computer that doesn't come with the same problems: near zero upgradability, old parts (sold at the same price even three years after), ridiculous GPUs, frying temperatures, burning chassis due to constant 100° CPU handling, ridiculous single-fan design which sounds like a jet when opening an Xcode project, under screen dust (seriously??)...

Every time there is the illusion of the next big product and every time, after the usual interminable awaiting, the result is never completely satisfying, because we again have to settle for what they gave us, conscious that we are still missing what we really wanted, again and again... Very unbearable.

 

[pldelisle]

I wonder what it takes for a company like Apple to finally release a desktop computer that doesn't come with the same problems: near zero upgradability, old parts (sold at the same price even three years after), ridiculous GPUs, frying temperatures, burning chassis due to constant 100° CPU handling, ridiculous single-fan design which sounds like a jet when opening an Xcode project, under screen dust (seriously??)...

Every time there is the illusion of the next big product and every time, after the usual interminable awaiting, the result is never completely satisfying, because we again have to settle for what they gave us, conscious that we are still missing what we really wanted, again and again... Very unbearable.

It needs custom silicon.

 

[Freida]

Precisely, thats why I don't want it to happen tomorrow or next month for that matter.
The high 27" version stock model goes all the way to October whilst the lower versions go to mid Aug. I know it means nothing but I really want nothing until september. Getting 6600M (is it as fast as 5700XT?) would be awesome.

Cpu. Lower power option. Not announced yet. Intel have a Sep 2 event.
Gpu. RDNA1+ and RDNA2. AMD Sep event.

If iPhone is delayed (I think we've had a few stories indicating that...) that more than gives room for an iMac announcement

Which would tie in with the 'fall' (early fall?) announcement hinted at by Ming?

And a 6600M (RDNA2 part) is a Mac part that has been listed. That would be tied to the AMD Sep' announcement. Again. Another thing indicating tech' waiting to drop for this Intel iMac.

Azrael.

 

[Kjs100]

I think a 24" Apple Silicon iMac would legitimately compete against an 8th Generation Intel i5 with iGPU. I do not expect it to run head-to-head with a 10th generation Intel i9 with a workstation-class dGPU and anyone with reasonable expectations should expect the same.

So if Apple shows off a 24" AS iMac as the 21.5" Intel iMac replacement and also offers a 27" Intel iMac that only comes with higher-end 9th and 10th generation Intel i5/i7/i9 CPUs and workstation-class dGPUs, I don't expect serious Apple-reporting media to go "omegaul Apple Silicon is terrible!".

Apple’s own processors could be 50% or even 100% faster than Intel Macs, according to Kuo. That suggests to me that the 24" AS will be faster than the 27" intel.

ARM-based Macs could be 50% or even 100% faster than Intel ones

The first Macs running ARM-based processors designed by Apple could be out as early as the fourth quarter of 2020, according to trusted analyst Ming-Chi

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[anthony13]

Precisely, thats why I don't want it to happen tomorrow or next month for that matter.
The high 27" version stock model goes all the way to October whilst the lower versions go to mid Aug. I know it means nothing but I really want nothing until september. Getting 6600M (is it as fast as 5700XT?) would be awesome.

Even if the iMac wasn't released until October, would we really get RDNA2 this year? Apple's almost never on the cusp with these things right? It would be awesome though wouldn't it?!

 

[jetjaguar]

Apple’s own processors could be 50% or even 100% faster than Intel Macs, according to Kuo. That suggests to me that the 24" AS will be faster than the 27" intel.

ARM-based Macs could be 50% or even 100% faster than Intel ones

The first Macs running ARM-based processors designed by Apple could be out as early as the fourth quarter of 2020, according to trusted analyst Ming-Chi

www.cultofmac.com

In apple native apps im sure as far as everything else .. I doubt it

 

[Azrael9]

Too small.

That 21 inch iMac was never a good deal. Too small.

Apple had the chance to drop the 24 inch in an entry model.

But they went tiny 21.

By the time you make a 21 decent it's about £2k.

Stuff that.

Azrael.
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Even if the iMac wasn't released until October, would we really get RDNA2 this year? Apple's almost never on the cusp with these things right? It would be awesome though wouldn't it?!

We can hope for RDNA2. The timing suggests Apple could offer it. RDNA 2 is launching soon.

But history is against the Intel iMac in this regard.

*looks at the current apology in a £2k iMac. A Polaris gpu. With Vega Bto.

Both aged options.

It's a year later. And the only rumours have pointed towards warmed over laptop parts and maybe a BTO 5700?? Which is a year ago mid range gpu.

Azrael.

 

[ondert]

There was a real hype again back in winter for an upcoming iMac to be released in march and I didn’t hesitate ordering a 2019 5K iMac in february, because? Because Tim Apple... That greedy CEO never fulfilled my wishes for an iMac in his period, yet you’re still expecting a redesign for the last Intel version something he never did after Steve Jobs. He still milks mac customers again with old, underpowered chips he got cheaper from Intel while many rushed to get a PC, laptop due to the pandemic.
Now I see how buying a mac back in february was really a wise choice.
If the new 27” iMac will arrived with that 95w i9 version plus subpar 5300 graphics it will be total disappointment and that means even the cooling system won’t be changed..
After the AS announcement, I wouldn’t wait and build a hackintosh or an itx PC if that will be sufficient.
As always non-Mac friendly Tim Apple..

 

[CWallace]

seems clear to me every day no new Mac hardware till Big Sur launches.

This is definitely true for a Mac powered by Apple Silicon.

Intel could be before then, but if the Intel Macs are adopting the same design as the Apple Silicon models, I could understand why Apple would want to wait.

I wonder what it takes for a company like Apple to finally release a desktop computer that doesn't come with the same problems: near zero upgradability, old parts (sold at the same price even three years after), ridiculous GPUs, frying temperatures, burning chassis due to constant 100° CPU handling, ridiculous single-fan design which sounds like a jet when opening an Xcode project, under screen dust (seriously??)...

A fundamental change of the entire management team from at least the SVP level on up.

Don't plan on that.

Apple’s own processors could be 50% or even 100% faster than Intel Macs, according to Kuo. That suggests to me that the 24" AS will be faster than the 27" intel.

In certain benchmarks, I expect it to perform as well or better, but overall in this first round, I think the upper-end Intel CPUs and AMD GPUs will be able to stay ahead. And even with raw benchmarks, actual usable performance within applications could still favor Intel+AMD until those applications are fully-optimized for Apple Silicon.

 

[Azrael9]

I wonder what it takes for a company like Apple to finally release a desktop computer that doesn't come with the same problems: near zero upgradability, old parts (sold at the same price even three years after), ridiculous GPUs, frying temperatures, burning chassis due to constant 100° CPU handling, ridiculous single-fan design which sounds like a jet when opening an Xcode project, under screen dust (seriously??)...

Every time there is the illusion of the next big product and every time, after the usual interminable awaiting, the result is never completely satisfying, because we again have to settle for what they gave us, conscious that we are still missing what we really wanted, again and again... Very unbearable.

This.

So very this.

Profit gauging instead of product 1st.

Azrael.

 

[jetjaguar]

I just think a used iMac Pro is the way to go while waiting out the transition.
Much better cooling than the normal iMac. I doubt they are going to switch the cooling setup on updated intel models.

 

[DrRadon]

I wonder what it takes for a company like Apple to finally release a desktop computer that doesn't come with the same problems: near zero upgradability, old parts (sold at the same price even three years after), ridiculous GPUs, frying temperatures, burning chassis due to constant 100° CPU handling, ridiculous single-fan design which sounds like a jet when opening an Xcode project, under screen dust (seriously??)...

Near Zero Upgradability is not a problem for Apple, it makes them millions and millions, so do the old parts sold at a premium (or 1500€ CPUs sold for 9000€).
Better cooling we can talk about.