Would you know where would the RDNA2 6600 sit performance wise? Would it be same or better as 5700 or more like small iteration of 5600? What do you think, please?
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Yes I think Apple must be behind the top intel + AMD combination otherwise I'd have expected them to have launched a 27" AS alongside the 24".
Nobody has benchmarks, of course, and all AMD have publicly stated is that NAVI 2 will be twice as power efficient per watt as NAVI 1.
Tom's Hardware is guesstimating based on the Compute Units and VRAM speeds and bandwidth that:
- Navi21 will be under 16384 GFLOPS
- Navi22 will be under 14746 GFLOPS
- Navi23 will be under 11520 GFLOPS
AMD Big Navi and RDNA 2 GPUs: Everything We Know
The AMD Big Navi / RDNA 2 architecture powers the latest consoles and high-end graphics cards.
Well, its simple. I doubt Apple wants to release a last iMac that will not sell at all (or very little). Also, AS will have some thermals too (better for sure but hey) so the iMac redesign was in works for a while. Its not something that was decided few months ago. Most likely they were working on it for couple of years. So, redesign for Intel - stimulate the sales by that also and on top of that, when you switch to AS you have a headroom for the AS. (remember 2013 MP?)
So all in all, I know I'm biased but I really hope that last intel will be with a redesign that will switch over to AS too. And then what Apple might do is to make it thinner and thinner and thinner until its basically giant iPad on a magic stand
This strikes me as completely the opposite of plausabile. Why would Apple go to the cost of redesigning and re-fabbing a whole iMac, just for one final iteration of intel chips? It makes literally zero economic sense. Not only are you incurring huge costs that are unlikely to be recovered in this one single edition, but you are tying up design talent that's needed for the AS iMac. Because there is zero chance that you can use intel chips and AS chips in the same body - they have radically different thermal envelopes plus the motherboard with an Intel chipset vs the Apple Soc are also going to be drastically different. Once you accommodate the differences between those, you then have a different space left in each case for the rest of the components - and some may not even be there, like a separate videocard on the AS. It's as nutty as thinking that you can put a truck chassis on a subcompact frame... JUST NO!
You would have to come up with a new design for the intel iMac and a separate design for the AS iMac. How are you returning costs of development of a new design and the fabrication differences, the oppurtunity cost of design team time that could be used on the AS iMac and all of this for *one* iteration of a computer?? Not to mention the extremely high risk of contract obligations - just recently Apple had to pay billions because they overprojected how much they'd sell, and now their manufacturers had to re-do the math of profitability, so Apple was liable for penalties. When you develop a whole new line of brand new designs, you have flexibility if there is longevity to the design - components not used this year, because sales were lower can be used in next year's model since they're the same. But now you're asking for Apple to perfectly project demand for a one-time deal?? No way. No way. You might do that for a high volume product like a laptop, but a low volume product like an iMac - lol.
Meanwhile, you want maximum differences to show from the old iMac to the new AS iMac - redesign is perfect! Why would you steal that thunder from the AS iMac by muddying the waters with a re-designed intel??
No, you keep the true and tried old design for the old intel iMac and a brand new EVERYTHING for maximum differentiation and PR with the AS iMac.
People have been buying the old iMac design for many years, one more year is not going to make a difference - there is the comfort of familiarity. Save the 'WOW" newness factor for the AS iMac. Apple is not putting all their eggs in the old iMac sales basket - for big sales they are looking to the future and the new AS iMacs that will pop with newness. That's where the money is, and no sense in muddying the PR message.
So opinions differ. But the truth is, nobody knows what will happen. Remember, there are other factors at play - what if Apple is sitting on piles of old design iMac bodies - why would they throw those out and take those costs on top of the brand new intel re-design cost, to make it even more uneconomical?? No, they'll use up their existing stock and save a bunch of money instead of writing down all that stock. We don't know what the situation is at Apple and all the factors that go into these decisions. We can only speculate. And my speculation is that there isn't a snowball's chance in he|| that there will be a new design on an intel iMac. YMMV. I guess we'll see.
Yeah, I know but still, its nice to speculate. I've read most of the article and it seems that 6600 will be a beast if we do get some variant of it. Even if we don't get 14746 GLOPS and we get around 10k that means we get performance of 5700XT with probably much better thermals etc. And that 6600 card will probably be crucial for the redesign along with the custom Intel chip. I feel that that is probably the only way how Apple can unify the design and incentivise buyers now knowing that we are going for AS.
I doubt Apple wants Intel Mac to be released and then completely demolished with 24 AS version. So........
New design for 27" Intel iMac and 24" AS Mac. Raw numbers will not be the same but in real world I guess most task will perform similar (in terms of GPU tasks).
Then next year Apple will do 27" A15 iMac that will completely demolish this version. That will seal the deal for the transition and we are good to go.
I understand that this is the ideal scenario but I just refuse to believe that we are getting some crappy spec bump. If Apple is holding (allegedly) for custom CPU from Intel and they already got custom GPU from AMD I would assume that they are doing this for a reason and not just spec bump. And I believe that the reason is redesign.
Many leakers mentioned that and that is the version I choose to believe.
Time will tell
I doubt Apple wants Intel Mac to be released and then completely demolished with 24 AS version. So........
New design for 27" Intel iMac and 24" AS Mac. Raw numbers will not be the same but in real world I guess most task will perform similar (in terms of GPU tasks).
Then next year Apple will do 27" A15 iMac that will completely demolish this version. That will seal the deal for the transition and we are good to go.
I understand that this is the ideal scenario but I just refuse to believe that we are getting some crappy spec bump. If Apple is holding (allegedly) for custom CPU from Intel and they already got custom GPU from AMD I would assume that they are doing this for a reason and not just spec bump. And I believe that the reason is redesign.
Many leakers mentioned that and that is the version I choose to believe.
Time will tell
Nobody has benchmarks, of course, and all AMD have publicly stated is that NAVI 2 will be twice as power efficient per watt as NAVI 1.
Tom's Hardware is guesstimating based on the Compute Units and VRAM speeds and bandwidth that:
- Navi21 will be under 16384 GFLOPS
- Navi22 will be under 14746 GFLOPS
- Navi23 will be under 11520 GFLOPS
AMD Big Navi and RDNA 2 GPUs: Everything We Know
The AMD Big Navi / RDNA 2 architecture powers the latest consoles and high-end graphics cards.www.tomshardware.com
I brought up that same question many pages ago. The consensus was that Just-in-Time Tim and Co. don't build many systems prior to announcement - they keep few in stock and build even the most basic systems 'just in time'. My counter to that was: What if I wanted to walk into any Apple Store and buy an iMac, or go to Best Buy and purchase one, or...? Those systems OBVIOUSLY weren't built just days before in some factory in China!
Anyway, we all SPECULATE, but nobody on this forum KNOWS. But it makes for good conversations.
But if I hear 'tomorrow', or 'soon', or 'imminent', or anything similar to that... I'm gonna lose my Apple-loving mind!!! I'mma wanting a new Mac!
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I like what you believe. Now, who do I give my money to?Then next year Apple will do 27" A15 iMac that will completely demolish this version. That will seal the deal for the transition and we are good to go.
...and that is the version I choose to believe.
This.
I raised this in a thread as well. It's all about marketing...and Apple is sometimes as much as a marketing company as much as it is a tech company.
If you're sitting on 50-100% faster speeds and who knows what other benchmarks, you don't roll it out with the same chassis as the previous Intel model. It's an opportunity blow everyone away.
The only unfortunate part is with Covid and both Steve and Jony not around, the presentation will be missing that special flair and showmanship.
New chassis or not, and sure its fun to talk about and speculate, I just hope the spec bump isn't to... crappy. A fresh coat of paint would be nice, particularly if it cools better, which is my main concern with the existing design (a plus of that iMac Pro internal design). But since Tim Cook said 'exciting' I'm hoping for a bondi blue iPad Pro Max "like" 32" design with target display mode. And since multiple leakers have said the word 'soon' i continue to check apple.com (that's not even true i check this thread first) every 3 minutes and 37 seconds.
Exciting to Tim Cook means a downclocked cpu and a year old GPU and sodered on ram.
I have seen a lot of people on here think that Apple wouldn’t release a redesign for the Intel iMac. Some think that there would need to be two separate redesigns. One for the Intel chips and another one for Apple Silicon. I truly believe that this isn’t the case.
I will give you four solid reasons why a redesigned Intel iMac is likely and I won’t even bring the speculative rumors into it.
1. The Redesigned Chasis of the new iMac 27” and 24” will work with both Intel and Apple Silicon. Of course there will be tweaks internally but the structure of the aluminum chasis and display stay the same. Apple Silicon will also reap the benefits of better performance out of the extra cooling in the new design.
2. Apple has been working on this redesign for years. During this time Apple must have began designing with Intel in mind but slowly realized the potential of Apple Silicon, hence the external design should work for both chip sets.
3. The higher end Macs (Large iMac, Mac Pro) most likely will not be updated to Apple Silicon until the end 2021 or 2022. These professional used machines can not afford to have software compatibility issues that will certainly plague early Apple Silicon machines. Professionals that need to bounce between Windows and Mac need a reliable machine in the beginning of the Apple Silicon transition. By the time Apple Silicon hits these Pro machines there most likely will be a virtualization or arm version of Windows that will be available.
4. Apple has announced the transition to Apple Silicon but still has Intel Macs in the pipeline. To market the “old” Intel chips they can just put them in a new shiny box and it will sell like hot cakes. We all know how easy it is to buy brand new Apple products.
If you really think about these points and mix the rumors in, it sounds like we will see a redesigned 27” Intel iMac between now and the end of September and an Apple Silicon 24” iMac by the end of the year. Other lines will follow this same logic with the consumer model getting Apple Silicon first.
I will give you four solid reasons why a redesigned Intel iMac is likely and I won’t even bring the speculative rumors into it.
1. The Redesigned Chasis of the new iMac 27” and 24” will work with both Intel and Apple Silicon. Of course there will be tweaks internally but the structure of the aluminum chasis and display stay the same. Apple Silicon will also reap the benefits of better performance out of the extra cooling in the new design.
2. Apple has been working on this redesign for years. During this time Apple must have began designing with Intel in mind but slowly realized the potential of Apple Silicon, hence the external design should work for both chip sets.
3. The higher end Macs (Large iMac, Mac Pro) most likely will not be updated to Apple Silicon until the end 2021 or 2022. These professional used machines can not afford to have software compatibility issues that will certainly plague early Apple Silicon machines. Professionals that need to bounce between Windows and Mac need a reliable machine in the beginning of the Apple Silicon transition. By the time Apple Silicon hits these Pro machines there most likely will be a virtualization or arm version of Windows that will be available.
4. Apple has announced the transition to Apple Silicon but still has Intel Macs in the pipeline. To market the “old” Intel chips they can just put them in a new shiny box and it will sell like hot cakes. We all know how easy it is to buy brand new Apple products.
If you really think about these points and mix the rumors in, it sounds like we will see a redesigned 27” Intel iMac between now and the end of September and an Apple Silicon 24” iMac by the end of the year. Other lines will follow this same logic with the consumer model getting Apple Silicon first.
Wha..? Absolutely nothing here is on point, sorry. Re:
(1)No - the same chassis won't work. The structure of the aluminum chassis is driven by many factors, one of the biggest of which, is cooling. Since the thermal envelope of Intel chips and AS are drastically different, no way are you going to use an identical solution for both - that makes no sense whatsoever. Vents, fan accomodation, board placement (note, the GPU gets very hot on x86 machines whereas with an integrated graphisc solution on AS Soc it will be completely different placement needs) all those dictate the external chassis. No way Jose is it going to be the same - zero chance.
(2)This doesn't even scan - what does that mean? They worked on hot Intel chips and somehow that translates into slim AS chip chassis design which somehow also accommodates the hot Intel chips... wha?? Make it make sense.
(3)Honestly I read this point several times and I simply don't understand what you're trying to say. How does possibly buggy first edition AS machines translate into the same "new" chassis for both AS and Intel iMacs? I'm not snarking - I just don't understand the point here. How does any of this necessitate a redesign of the Intel iMacs whether the AS comes out in 2021 or 2022 has bugs or doesn't - what is the connection? I'm mystified.
(4)Oh really? Apple didn't feel the need to update the Intel chassis for all these years in order to sell year in and year out and year in and year out, but now suddenly they need to re-design in order to sell, because, well, hmm, because, uhm... what?? Nope. Those who need Intel iMacs will buy them regardless of design - because they need them. And those who are going to wait to buy AS iMacs are not suddenly going to go "ooh, shiny new design, I was going to wait for the AS, but never mind that the Intel platform will be obsoleted, I'm IN!!!"... what?? They will gain ZERO more sales of Intel machines because they've been redesigned. Those who absolutely need them, will buy the old design, thank you. If they need them because their iMac broke and they need a new one, or they need one for work - they'll BUY THE OLD DESIGN, thank you!! It's not a choice!! It's necessity or emergency. Meanwhile, if the whole point is to wait for AS, then redesigning the Intel has zero relevance. If I'm in the market for a sports car, I'm not going to be suddenly changing plans to buy a MAC TRUCK because they came out with a new model. This makes zero sense.
Sorry, but this is just not convincing in the least. There has not been proffered a single good argument why this should happen. None.
I seriously stopped counting the days after watching WWDC.
There are apparently rumours that iPhone will launch in October (LTE) and November (5g) possibly freeing up some more weeks for iMac in August in Apples News cycles before we are "30 days close to iOS device event".
The iPhone delay due to covid.
Apple's 2020 iPhones Said to Launch Starting in Late October Due to Coronavirus Delays
The iPhone delay due to covid.
Apple's 2020 iPhones Said to Launch Starting in Late October Due to Coronavirus Delays
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Any why not? This is a design. Whether it will be Intel chip inside or Arm, it might not do much difference in terms of how the iMac looks like.
Try 'pretend' configuring that on Apple's store.
And to make it 'decent' with ram and ssd etc.
I cam out at £1950 or something.
Nearly £2k for an iMac with a *tiny* screen and mediocre specs. The crowning glory of upsell under Tim Apple.
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This is probably the best post I've read on here re: the 'unfortunate' direction Macs have taken and increasingly under Tim Apple.
Sheer Bloody Poetry.
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Why not indeed.
They didn't have to bother with the Mac Pro (so important it languished for 6 years...) either. But they did...knowing full well they were going AS.
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Apple has the habit of surprising us. Occasionally.
AS for starters. One of those 'Apple will never...' kind of arguments. And here we are.
New design for iMac is up. Whether that happens for AS or Intel iMac pending.
We'll soon find out.
Azrael.
I like the smaller screen, i get 5% of by a apple licensesed repair shop and retailer and he would build me in evo SSD and RAM at a way lower price than Apple actually giving me more warranty time on these parts than apple would.
yeah...and they don't down clock the price.
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I understand that.
It can't get any worse than the previous update which was kinda 'meh.' Not terrible. But not great either.
Cooling, for me, has become more of an expectation given my current iMac circumstances.
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I understand the reasoning. New everything etc. Buy now...(any time is good for an iMac...) (BUY AGAIN...your old iMac looks super old...and our new one blows it away. Marketing...marketing...101.)
But that 27 incher is going to look really tired in the old shell. Fully loaded with a steep price. Buyer's remorse will turn to rigamorse real quick.
We know Apple is all for marketing. *Looks at the sorry state of the Mac desktop with the hyperbole promoting the stiff prices.
That said, plenty want the new Intel iMac to drop so we can...enjoy 'something' significant Mac wise this year. 7 months in.
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Yeah, I know but still, its nice to speculate. I've read most of the article and it seems that 6600 will be a beast if we do get some variant of it. Even if we don't get 14746 GLOPS and we get around 10k that means we get performance of 5700XT with probably much better thermals etc. And that 6600 card will probably be crucial for the redesign along with the custom Intel chip. I feel that that is probably the only way how Apple can unify the design and incentivise buyers now knowing that we are going for AS.
I doubt Apple wants Intel Mac to be released and then completely demolished with 24 AS version. So........
New design for 27" Intel iMac and 24" AS Mac. Raw numbers will not be the same but in real world I guess most task will perform similar (in terms of GPU tasks).
Then next year Apple will do 27" A15 iMac that will completely demolish this version. That will seal the deal for the transition and we are good to go.
I understand that this is the ideal scenario but I just refuse to believe that we are getting some crappy spec bump. If Apple is holding (allegedly) for custom CPU from Intel and they already got custom GPU from AMD I would assume that they are doing this for a reason and not just spec bump. And I believe that the reason is redesign.
Many leakers mentioned that and that is the version I choose to believe.
Time will tell
Apple will go all out to release the AS15 '27' inch iMac that pulls the intel iMac through a hedge backwards.
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Nobody has benchmarks, of course, and all AMD have publicly stated is that NAVI 2 will be twice as power efficient per watt as NAVI 1.
Tom's Hardware is guesstimating based on the Compute Units and VRAM speeds and bandwidth that:
- Navi21 will be under 16384 GFLOPS
- Navi22 will be under 14746 GFLOPS
- Navi23 will be under 11520 GFLOPS
AMD Big Navi and RDNA 2 GPUs: Everything We Know
The AMD Big Navi / RDNA 2 architecture powers the latest consoles and high-end graphics cards.
Well. The iMac won't be getting the flagship RDNA2. For a guess. And that's around (Allegedly...) 20 tflops.
Significant.
Getting stuff that is 10 tflops and above in an iMac would be nice.
The 'new' 'Pro' gpus in the iMac should outperform the 'old' gpu in the iMac. Even if they're 'only' Navi1.
Having 'a' RDNA2 option of some sort would be nice, given its efficiency.
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Well. We're for ANY AS option at the moment.
They did say 'year end.'
And the only peep about an iMac AS is early next year.
Azrael.
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Yeah, I know but still, its nice to speculate. I've read most of the article and it seems that 6600 will be a beast if we do get some variant of it. Even if we don't get 14746 GLOPS and we get around 10k that means we get performance of 5700XT with probably much better thermals etc. And that 6600 card will probably be crucial for the redesign along with the custom Intel chip. I feel that that is probably the only way how Apple can unify the design and incentivise buyers now knowing that we are going for AS.
I doubt Apple wants Intel Mac to be released and then completely demolished with 24 AS version. So........
New design for 27" Intel iMac and 24" AS Mac. Raw numbers will not be the same but in real world I guess most task will perform similar (in terms of GPU tasks).
Then next year Apple will do 27" A15 iMac that will completely demolish this version. That will seal the deal for the transition and we are good to go.
I understand that this is the ideal scenario but I just refuse to believe that we are getting some crappy spec bump. If Apple is holding (allegedly) for custom CPU from Intel and they already got custom GPU from AMD I would assume that they are doing this for a reason and not just spec bump. And I believe that the reason is redesign.
Many leakers mentioned that and that is the version I choose to believe.
Time will tell
Any AS 24 inch iMac will be illuminating in power compared to its most direct competition.
The very mediocre 21 inch. With its tiny screen...and so so everything.
A 24 inch alone will allow the machine to breath visually. It's a far better size. Imagine all that with actual cpu and gpu performance....and unified system speeds.
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So I messaged a_rumors0000 and this is his reply. Take it with a grain of salt.
@DrRadon I hope you didn't smash your crystal ball in rage
Alot of the 'tech' that is thermally more efficient for this release?
Is coming in Sept. That being the cpu and gpu stuff. If makes more sense. Whether I like it or not.
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50% more efficiency.
With the flagship RDNA2 performing (supposedly) around 20% faster than a 2080ti.
Nominal hit when using ray tracing.
As for the Mac version? A 6600m. 50% more efficiency than an eg, 5700XT.
That could...be 50% more performance. Putting the 6600M at around a 2080-just under 2080Ti performance. Guessing.
Think the 5700 is 50% less performance than a 2080ti. For a third of the price.
So getting 'near' that would be good (bearing in mind the 6600m won't be flagship RDNA2. Not in an iMac. Doubt it.) Especially with ray tracing.
Inbetween a 5700 and 2080ti would be nice for a BTO RDNA2 option. With Ray Tracing.
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So I messaged a_rumors0000 and this is his reply. Take it with a grain of salt.
@DrRadon I hope you didn't smash your crystal ball in rage
Why would i? I never said it would still release in july after yesterday? I pointed at in two weeks from now wich is already august?
Apple released the new Intel iMacs back in 2006 in a very similar chassis as the old G5 iMacs. Externally they looked the same. Internally they were rearranged. So while Apple may wait until Arm before changing the chassis, there is also a decent chance Apple will use the new design for the last Intel model.
It should be noted that Apple can’t simply drop in a new Intel CPU and AMD GPU in the 2019 design and call it a day. If the 2020 model includes a semi-custom Comet Lake S CPU as the leak suggests, then it would require a new motherboard with a new chipset. IOW, the 2020 Intel would likely require a partial redesign anyway, so why not just put it a new case too? I can tell you right now that I know people who will buy it on launch day if it has a new form factor, regardless if it is Intel or Arm. And for a lot of pros, having it be Intel would actually be a huge advantage.
Anyhow, the 27” iMac i5-9600K now has now a ship time of 8-9 weeks, with the other 27” models at 2-3 weeks. Something is likely coming very soon.
It should be noted that Apple can’t simply drop in a new Intel CPU and AMD GPU in the 2019 design and call it a day. If the 2020 model includes a semi-custom Comet Lake S CPU as the leak suggests, then it would require a new motherboard with a new chipset. IOW, the 2020 Intel would likely require a partial redesign anyway, so why not just put it a new case too? I can tell you right now that I know people who will buy it on launch day if it has a new form factor, regardless if it is Intel or Arm. And for a lot of pros, having it be Intel would actually be a huge advantage.
Anyhow, the 27” iMac i5-9600K now has now a ship time of 8-9 weeks, with the other 27” models at 2-3 weeks. Something is likely coming very soon.
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I think most of you underestimate how long time Apple has been working with AS transition. They started to talk about desktop perfomance whan the A7 64 bit processor was introduced. This is 6 years ago. At this stage they are beyond lab prototypes, also for high TDP chips.
A large case suitable for Intel/AMD is not suitable for AS chip as TDP differs as much as 3-5 fold. We are not talking about a few percent. The only good argument for using a large case for AS chip would be to remove the fan and do passive cooling.
Apple has no incentives to undersell the performance of AS chips in relation to Intel/AMD. At the moment - quite the contrary. If the 24 inch outperforms the 27 inch Intels iMac, this will only give excellent PR for the AS chip.
They will likely start with low TDP AS becuase these will fit the best sellers Macbook air and MBP 13, not because they cannot make a high TDP chip at the moment. We can always discuss if a 24 inch iMac is a best seller or not. Important to say is that these AS will be designed for Macs and not iPhones so expect TDP from 10W to 30W in the first round of AS. Can be the same rumoured 8+4 chip, just clocked differently.
Intel iMac will be kept for awhile for those needing to run not ported or legance software and how it looks is irrelevant in that context.
A large case suitable for Intel/AMD is not suitable for AS chip as TDP differs as much as 3-5 fold. We are not talking about a few percent. The only good argument for using a large case for AS chip would be to remove the fan and do passive cooling.
Apple has no incentives to undersell the performance of AS chips in relation to Intel/AMD. At the moment - quite the contrary. If the 24 inch outperforms the 27 inch Intels iMac, this will only give excellent PR for the AS chip.
They will likely start with low TDP AS becuase these will fit the best sellers Macbook air and MBP 13, not because they cannot make a high TDP chip at the moment. We can always discuss if a 24 inch iMac is a best seller or not. Important to say is that these AS will be designed for Macs and not iPhones so expect TDP from 10W to 30W in the first round of AS. Can be the same rumoured 8+4 chip, just clocked differently.
Intel iMac will be kept for awhile for those needing to run not ported or legance software and how it looks is irrelevant in that context.
How do you get an Intel 95w CPU + dGPU in this? Any further Intel Macs will be in old chassis, or variants thereof.
AS will be "thinking different".
www.macrumors.com
Patenting your design philosophy a few months before you start to release it seems like a no-brainer...
No, it won't be the actual design in detail, but 'iPad-like' it most certainly is.
AS will be "thinking different".
Apple Patent Imagines iMac Made From a Single Sheet of Glass
Apple has all kinds of fanciful patents for imaginative devices that will likely never come to fruition, such as an iMac-like desktop computer made...
www.macrumors.com
No, it won't be the actual design in detail, but 'iPad-like' it most certainly is.
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Apple has lots of patents, they do not necessarily (and often don't) become actual products.How do you get an Intel 95w CPU + dGPU in this? Any further Intel Macs will be in old chassis, or variants thereof.
AS will be "thinking different".
Apple Patent Imagines iMac Made From a Single Sheet of Glass
Apple has all kinds of fanciful patents for imaginative devices that will likely never come to fruition, such as an iMac-like desktop computer made...
https://www.macrumors.com/2020/07/22/twitter-hackers-36-accounts-dms-accessed/
Can you imagine the trauma if they’d hacked Apple’s twitter feed and announced the new iMac for a laugh 😂
Can you imagine the trauma if they’d hacked Apple’s twitter feed and announced the new iMac for a laugh 😂