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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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To be fair it could of been delayed by Apple at the last minute, the virtual keynote was new for them and maybe they wanted to focus just on the software.
The point is, he mentioned T2 chip and Navi GPU specifically, which means he was talking about Intel redesign, not ARM.
Yeah.
The question only is if that leaker is right about intel still being around after iMac had a design change to ARM.
Theres so much design talk we heard. I remember one of them saying that both Arm and Intel would have different redesigns. Obviously apple earns a lot of money via T2 because buying a bigger SSD and having it installed is bye bye with that. But my initial gut feeling around the time coinx and prosser said "soon" was very very heavy on no redesign, why would they if there is ARM incoming.
Whatever the next intel model is, and whenever it’s announced, it would be great if Apple could give some idea of longevity of support. Simply saying “years” at WWDC was not enough. It would give the intel buyers some confidence. The AS buyers will wait anyway, so what harm could it do to have some transparency for the undecideds?
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Azrael.
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Interesting read for those who want an 'idea' of what the Mac line up might (!) look like after AS is complete.
Consolidation of the laptop and iMac line.
24 and 32 iMac sizes.
1 chip consumer. 2 chip prosumer. Or certainly more cores.
And the Mac Mini will certainly do no worse out of the transition.
Whilst those worrying about the Mac Pro..., they seem bullish that core density will handle workloads.
Starting at the consumer level. Then optimising for professional level.
And yes. The iMac24, MB13 and Air are essentially the same thing. So launching a consumer laptop and a consumer desktop at the same time shouldn't be that difficult.
More like the old product grid. Thank Jobs.
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Yes. They were asked, point blank, and still didn't give a straight answer other than 'years.'
I'd expect a handful of years before the gap between Intel and AS becomes archaically embarrassing. Maybe get an OS release or two (Big Sur and...) and after that...deprecated support. As in your machine will 'work.'
Me, being cynical with Apple, we can look at their last transition for answers.
I think they'll happily sell you an Intel iMac now?
Knowing full well the iMac 24 will equal it or bury it later.
And 'exclusives' now or later to Big Sur that will, by design, age and put pressure on the installed base of Intel Macs. You know...the killer feature that only works on the co-processor on ARM. ie. A killer codec for 4k streams where an AS Mac Mini can stream 3x4k streams...but the Intel Mac Mini can stutter one. Or...an AS Mini with gaming performance at 1080p smooth as butter whereas the Intel Mini can lag and stutter with its games etc. Doing 3d work with an AS mini...but lag fest with the Intel mini. Pro' or game work that was the province of higher Intels will come down to AS consumer Macs.
I don't think this is that remarkable. Things have really stagnated in cpus and gpus over the last 5+ years. That's what happens when you have 'two monopolies' entrenched in cpus and gpus.
We're at the cusp of things really getting moving again, tech' wise. A 1.5 trillion company getting into 'traditional' computing will really shake up the competition. No doubt. They're about to get hit by a brick.
So?
Out with the old. In with the new.
Apple, in that regard? Predictable. They'll sell you today for high coin. They'll sell you again later for high coin.
'Latest and greatest.'
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Even Apple's desktop timelines are unpredictable and 'untrustworthy' or unreliable.
So, personally, I wouldn't be one to blast 'leakers' when they get nuggests of information which are subject to Apple's very own moving timelines which are subject to the current 'narrative' and suppliers who are working under increased pressures.
We can only look to Apple's own history to see how things 'generally' work.
eg. iPhone in September.
eg. Macs in the fall with iPad.
But these are not immutable absolutes. The rule of thumb of 'when it's ready' is subject to Apple's own internal development and the ability of suppliers to deliver on time.
The recent years...have seen a general move to dump all the new stuff before Christmas. For obvious reasons.
It's been a tepid year for Mac this year so far. Really underwhelming. But Apple are hardly going to go all out blazing on Intel hardware with their resources likely locked up to deliver AS Macs. And 'MacOS' full fat for AS Macs, iPads and iPhones.
Because the new round of AS14/A14x/A14 have the cpu power, gpu power and now, increasingly, the ram to run full fat Mac OS. It's just a case of ironing out how it works on each glass screen of large, medium and small.
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Another thought I had yesterday re: the larger iMac.
I don't see how an 8 + 4 core AS iMac doesn't perform as well as the current 6 core...or rival the 8 core.
They could 'just' include two AS14 chips in one machine (see link in previous post above...) to put the '27' (32?) AS iMac over the top.
Meaning? They could release the larger iMac at the same time as the smaller model. But it seems they have something else planned for the larger iMac. ie. More screen. More punch. More AS power. Part of me expects the iMac '27+' AS to come out reasonable soon after the 24 inch. Maybe within half a year. Leaving the Intel iMac with a shelf life of a year or less if it launches soon.
I still expect the larger iMac to come later. As the Intel iMac is expected to drop 'soon.' If the imac24 comes in October...maybe the larger screen iMac will follow in eg. March.
Azrael.
So, personally, I wouldn't be one to blast 'leakers' when they get nuggests of information which are subject to Apple's very own moving timelines which are subject to the current 'narrative' and suppliers who are working under increased pressures.
We can only look to Apple's own history to see how things 'generally' work.
eg. iPhone in September.
eg. Macs in the fall with iPad.
But these are not immutable absolutes. The rule of thumb of 'when it's ready' is subject to Apple's own internal development and the ability of suppliers to deliver on time.
The recent years...have seen a general move to dump all the new stuff before Christmas. For obvious reasons.
It's been a tepid year for Mac this year so far. Really underwhelming. But Apple are hardly going to go all out blazing on Intel hardware with their resources likely locked up to deliver AS Macs. And 'MacOS' full fat for AS Macs, iPads and iPhones.
Because the new round of AS14/A14x/A14 have the cpu power, gpu power and now, increasingly, the ram to run full fat Mac OS. It's just a case of ironing out how it works on each glass screen of large, medium and small.
Azrael.
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Another thought I had yesterday re: the larger iMac.
I don't see how an 8 + 4 core AS iMac doesn't perform as well as the current 6 core...or rival the 8 core.
They could 'just' include two AS14 chips in one machine (see link in previous post above...) to put the '27' (32?) AS iMac over the top.
Meaning? They could release the larger iMac at the same time as the smaller model. But it seems they have something else planned for the larger iMac. ie. More screen. More punch. More AS power. Part of me expects the iMac '27+' AS to come out reasonable soon after the 24 inch. Maybe within half a year. Leaving the Intel iMac with a shelf life of a year or less if it launches soon.
I still expect the larger iMac to come later. As the Intel iMac is expected to drop 'soon.' If the imac24 comes in October...maybe the larger screen iMac will follow in eg. March.
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Everyone has their own opinion, but for me, huge bezels are not timeless, they are a relic and should have been consigned to history years ago.
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This guy has himself in knots never mind the rest of us.
That said, the Kuo rumour of a mini-Led iMac Pro in Q4 (thought to now have slipped into 2021) is most likely an intel device, so Apple may well release a redesigned intel iMac after the first ARM iMac has launched.
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Interesting read for those who want an 'idea' of what the Mac line up might (!) look like after AS is complete.
Consolidation of the laptop and iMac line.
24 and 32 iMac sizes.
1 chip consumer. 2 chip prosumer. Or certainly more cores.
And the Mac Mini will certainly do no worse out of the transition.
Whilst those worrying about the Mac Pro..., they seem bullish that core density will handle workloads.
Starting at the consumer level. Then optimising for professional level.
And yes. The iMac24, MB13 and Air are essentially the same thing. So launching a consumer laptop and a consumer desktop at the same time shouldn't be that difficult.
More like the old product grid. Thank Jobs.
Azrael.
Azrael.
Sonny Dickson reflects my thinking 100%.
Simpler product line is highly needed.
Chip Office/Home: Air and MBP13 can be merged and use lower clocked chip used in the 24 inch iMac/Mac mini. 10-30W
Chip Pro Light: MBP16 and iMac 32, 6k. Same chip but clocked differently . 40-80W
Chip Pro Heavy: iMac Pro/Map Pro. 100-200W
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I think the larger Mac will be on mini LED, which are not ready. Also, I think that the large iMac will be using another AS than the 24 inch with probably modest difference i CPU but much larger difference in GPU. We have heard nothing about mini LED for the 24 inch. I think and hope that the 24 inch will have a low entry prices and one way will be to use current panels.
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i still think from marketing stand point...the intel imacs must be release before ARM redesign...because if the arm mac will looks better and performs better, Apple will sell very few intel based imacs
And how i know Apple...this will happen....the last Intel based imacs will come sooner than AS iMacs
So my guess, press release before September
And how i know Apple...this will happen....the last Intel based imacs will come sooner than AS iMacs
So my guess, press release before September
Well I don't see any compelling readon to buy an imac with no redesign when a redesign is so close, and all we are likley to get now is a wimpy, barely noticeable bump in performance. BFD! Apple is so slow to get moving on this I'm really getting tired of the stagnation. They should had the foresight to have AS done and out by now. Very frustrating.
Apple saving the Redesign iMac for apple silicon.
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Amen.
Apple are wort 45 times Dell now.
But can't match Infinity Bezels?
Give me a break, Apple.
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Apple saving the Redesign iMac for apple silicon.
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As transparent as they are greedy.
Cynical.
Azrael.
I think this falls into the category of "why bother"? Unless you absolutely need a new computer now, this is a no brainer wait...
Yes. It seems likely before September.
This low temp cpu is imminent (judging from the regular 'leaks' from Videocardz.com...) and all the rest of the stuff is there. They could just use the iMac Pro case unpainted and keep the cooling system from it.
i.e. If no new design.
Apple have to sell the Intel iMac 1st. Collect the cash.
Then put the boot in with buyer's remorse...and collect another pile of cash from those that waited...
...as the AS iMac24 puts the boot into the iNtel iMac in design and performance.
I only have to look at the Mac Mini A12z prototype AS running those WWDC2020 demos to know what's coming.
Running Tomb Raider like that, Maya and 3x 4k streams? Can the current iMac 21 inch do that?
And if it can...the ARM Mac is circa 50-100% faster?
If the iMac24 is coming in October, it screams. Wait until then.
Rock and a hard place for anyone who needs a new Mac right now.
Figits uncomfortably in chair.(*)
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Because Apple.
They'll happily sell you out of date.
And put the boot in with not out of date mere later.
Azrael.
I wonder what role the four low power/efficiency cores will play on desktop Macs, if included. Will they simply handle the easy tasks, e.g. running music in the background?
I am sure someone more knowledgeable than me can chip in with a more comprehensive answer.
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We've milked it for 12 years. Now we're going to milk it one last time...right before something more compelling gets released.
Azrael.
No one who needs one now should buy anything but used or refurb at a good price. This is a stupid lazy move on Apple's part. No wonder they didn't release this at WWDC. It would have been a big let down after all the hype. Maybe Apple just notcied the new design hype we spured on and leaked the no deisgn bit to these so called leakers to tamp down the expectations. Oh well, nothing to see here folks. Maybe we should delete this whole thread and start from scratch....
Can be both. That's part of what makes the A12z compelling in the iPad.
Yes you can have 4 cores in low power mode for background tasks for light tasks. Longer battery life.
But you can take those '8' higher performance cores plus the '4' light ones and go all hands to the pump.
At the end of the day. Whether desktop or laptop...having 'low power' cores can be useful in a desktop for 'quieter' moments of performance eg. Emails etc. Less power used on elec' bill.
Azrael.
So we wait this long for a spec bump? Hahahahaha.
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Why wouldn’t they just spec bump with the MacBook Pros then?
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Why wouldn’t they just spec bump with the MacBook Pros then?