The new Intel iMac will be a significant boost for you.
So if you buy a £2500 Tier 3 spec iMac it will double as a £2500 PC.
You can always buy an AS iMac when it comes and run both side by side.
The 8 core 5500xt is great value.
Azrael.
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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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The new Intel iMac will be a significant boost for you.
So if you buy a £2500 Tier 3 spec iMac it will double as a £2500 PC.
You can always buy an AS iMac when it comes and run both side by side.
The 8 core 5500xt is great value.
Azrael.
How long does it usually take for 3rd parties to start selling these after they've been announced e.g. Curries/PC World/Argos etc.?
Depends on what work you do.
And if your machine is 'bogged' down for production work. I had a 2012. It had had it's day.
I had hoped to hang on for the AS iMac. But my iMac fried. So I've spent march to august without a working Mac.
But to be fair we didn't know for sure that AS was coming for sure THIS year until WWDC.
If you can hang on. Hang on. (Easy for anyone else to say...)
My iMac was dead. And it was wait another 5/6 or 9? Months for an AS iMac. And even longer for the larger screened version...?
The current Intel iMac is a worthy iMac with the caveats of iStale design. Specs wise, this is impressive for an Intel iMac machine. Compared to the 2019 machine. You get more performance for your money.
Buying. Is the Mac user's call.
If my 2012 iMac had been working? I'd have waited until the October Mac fall event to get a clearer AS picture.
Cook said AS Mac was coming. Didn't specify laptop or desktop.
Azrael.
I'd get the 8 core 5500xt with a 1TB SSD.
Future proofing in that one. Great value spec.
Azrael.
Ironically,
Max Tech' is showing a video demonstrating iPads with certain 4k/ 8k codecs with buttery smooth performance which even high end Macs choke on.
When it comes to video and image processing? I think the preview evidence so far from WWDC and on Max Tech's YouTube videos points to Apple Silicon kicking the snot out of the rig I've just ordered for those kind of workflows.
I expect the iMac24 to pull close to the 10 core and 5700XT in general...and obliterate them for certain user workflows. The single core performance of the Intel is nothing special. The 5700XT is last year's gpu.
There's nothing remarkable about either of them. Intel's process is year's old on 14+++++++++. And AMD haven't even got a high end gpu out yet.
I can see why Apple lost patience and decided to go it alone.
Azrael.
Knowing the price of iMac i went out and got Final Cut and Motion 5 today.
325€ due to 20% on top with the 100€ cards and even got a spare 2,52€
Still a lot of money. But i guess i am staying with Apple and saying goodbye to adobe soon.
Sort of a bit of an extra rats tail with all the learning to do and some fonts to buy i guess.
Bit underwhelmed that i can't order yet because the small vendors apparently have no price lists yet so they can't finish up the order despite the prices being the exact same as on apples homepage.
325€ due to 20% on top with the 100€ cards and even got a spare 2,52€
Still a lot of money. But i guess i am staying with Apple and saying goodbye to adobe soon.
Sort of a bit of an extra rats tail with all the learning to do and some fonts to buy i guess.
Bit underwhelmed that i can't order yet because the small vendors apparently have no price lists yet so they can't finish up the order despite the prices being the exact same as on apples homepage.
You'll get 5-7 years out of this iMac if you're gentle.
If you can get the iMac Pro with better cooling and the sexy Space Grey? For the same price? Go for it.
Azrael.
The Tier 3 iMac is sound value with 8 core and 5500XT (bump the gpu if you can...to the 5700XT 16 gig.)
...and 500 Gig SSD. (Bump that to 1TB.)
Azrael.
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Thank the lord for that.
Good catch, Yellow_Lupine.
Azrael.
All tech' is 'declining.'
It's simply a case of whether you need to buy now or not.
AS is going to be great. But it's not here right now.
Azrael.
Compared to the machine you have now. The T3 8 core with 5500XT is the sweet spot with an actual SSD included.
It will be night and day compared to a 2013 machine?
Azrael.
It will still fetch a decent price 2nd hand. Macs do. I've looked at the Macs on eBay and the prices are sky high.
Azrael.
More cores. More plug ins?
From the AMD hackintoshes that use more cores (check out YouTube...) the benching on Logic suggests having more cores can be a 'Good Thing.' TM.
I'd got the 10 core. 10 cores. 20 threads!
8 core? 16 threads.
Plus the i9 is 'a bit newer.'
You could go for the Tier 3 8 core/5500XT and upgrade the CPU on it. Keep the GPU as 5500XT and up the internal SSD to 1TB.
Azrael.
Er...PC World.
I remember wanting to check out the 2019 iMac when it launched. It took PC World weeks(!) to get one in the store.
Very irritating. When I did finally check it out. I just couldn't get past the 580 gpu. Same for the rest I should imagine.
Apple have 2 year's 0% finance. And you can customise the spec. But if you want to 'feel' the iMac love in person, then surely an Apple Store won't be long in getting them in. You'll wait a bit longer for the PC World store, though.
Azrael.
You've twisted my arm 😉 That's pretty much exactly what I was thinking for the rest of it, potentially get a Samsung T5 at some point to offload some media files.
Dosing.
I think so. The T3 model is very good value for money. It's an iMac Pro for half the price performance wise. Give or take.
10 Core will give you an extra 4 threads over the 8 core version. It's an extra 2 cores and that may help future proof your machine a bit more. I think that's the area of focus for your purchase perhaps.
Most of the musicians on here have emphasized cpu and de-emphasised the gpu.
The 5500XT is no disaster. Though if you would like a 'bit' more get the 5700 (and don't bother with the 5700XT.)
Yes. And spend the rest on the Samsung T5 at some point.
Azrael.
I think so. The T3 model is very good value for money. It's an iMac Pro for half the price performance wise. Give or take.
10 Core will give you an extra 4 threads over the 8 core version. It's an extra 2 cores and that may help future proof your machine a bit more. I think that's the area of focus for your purchase perhaps.
Most of the musicians on here have emphasized cpu and de-emphasised the gpu.
The 5500XT is no disaster. Though if you would like a 'bit' more get the 5700 (and don't bother with the 5700XT.)
Yes. And spend the rest on the Samsung T5 at some point.
Azrael.
Here is the debate I am having. My parents have a Late 2009 27" iMac which is obviously long EOL'd. My fear is it will die sometime in the transition and don't want them on a Gen 1 AS product. I am debating on giving them my 2019 27" iMac and bumping myself to the 2020 27" iMac for the 5700 XT since it appears to be a pretty good bump from my Vega 48. This will provide them a new computer to take them well into the AS era allowing for software and typical 1st gen Apple kinks to work themselves out.
I am not in any rush because I would be curious on cooling and performance between the 8 core i7( which matches my 8 core i9) and the 10 core i9 paired with the 5700 XT. I don't think I would need 10 cores for my uses( or the extra 4 threads) as well and could put that money towards either third party RAM or the 2 TB SSD.
I am not in any rush because I would be curious on cooling and performance between the 8 core i7( which matches my 8 core i9) and the 10 core i9 paired with the 5700 XT. I don't think I would need 10 cores for my uses( or the extra 4 threads) as well and could put that money towards either third party RAM or the 2 TB SSD.
8 cores. 5700XT 16 gigs. 2TB. Third party ram. That would be a decent bump.
Hand over the 2019 to parents. Sounds like a plan.
The fall out over the AS transition for the iMac is at least 3-6 months away for the 24 inch model. The larger model may be a year away or so. Only Apple knows.
But 'A' Apple Silicon Mac of somesort is coming by the end of this year.
Azrael.
2009 27" iMac supports High Sierra and it's still up to date with regards to security updates, so that's fine. CPU performance is also pretty good. The main drawback with the machine is that it has a hard drive so drive access is slow, but if your parents are fine with that, then I wouldn't worry about it.
It sounds like you may be looking for an excuse to upgrade. If so, that's fine, but really there's nothing wrong with their machine except the hard drive. As long as they have backups, you can always buy a new machine when their machine breaks down.
FWIW, my 2010 Core i7 iMac works fine too, although I must admit lately I've only used it as a monitor since I bought another iMac in 2017. I find that the 2010 takes a long time to boot and load applications because of the hard drive, but once the application is loaded (eg. browser), it's fine.
Maybe I am looking for an excuse! But High Sierra support drops in 3 months. I just don't want the machine to break down during the transition. Both of us need an x86 machine right now. So it gives me the excuse to bump up my machine for the better GPU performance and gives them a modern machine.
Searching Geekbench.... I would probably stick with the 10700 instead of the 10900. The 10700/10900 don't have much of an advantage single core over the 9900K. So if I was to bump it up, I think the i7 would more than suit my needs and money could be applied elsewhere.
I'll be getting Final Cut/Motion and Logic at some point. 20% sales discounts, cards...and spare codes. That all brings the price down.
Adobe. Meh. A stink best left behind.
So you're waiting on your 3rd party vendor to order?
Azrael.
I was going to say the same.
You can always run the built-in diagnostic to see if everything is okay. If it hasn’t failed in 11 years it won’t. The only part that can break is the mechanical hard drive inside.
Change it for a Crucial MX500 SSD and it will last until the end of the transition. I did the exact same thing to a guy yesterday with its 2010 MacBook Pro 17. Upgraded RAM to 12GB by popping a 8GB module and installed a Crucial Mx500 500GB. Installed Catalina on it. Runs like a charm for a 10 years old laptop. You couldn’t tell this laptop had 10 years old.
For a DAW the new i7 is plenty. Use the money saved for additional storage or sticks of RAM.
There's nothing stopping you from buying a refurb / sale priced Intel iMac in 2021 if it breaks down then. However, I wouldn't be surprised if it continues to function normally for several more years. I have a 2006 iMac that still has its original drive. It's slow and is stuck on Snow Leopard, but everything still works. That's 14 years on the original hard drive!
I thought about doing that to my 2010 before buying the 2017, but I wanted the 2017 just because.
(I could get a work related subsidy too, so that pushed me.) The problem was the local repair shop was charging a LOT to do the replacement, and at the time I wasn't brave enough to do it.At this point I wonder if I should do it, but I still haven't because I've been using it as a monitor for a dual 27" iMac setup, so the effort and cost would be wasted.
Probably means nothing although I wish its better cooling.
I've checked it against my 2017 15" MBP which is like a jet engine even for basic stuff sometimes and the numbers were half the iMac so I don't think this is what we are hoping for unfortunately
I've checked it against my 2017 15" MBP which is like a jet engine even for basic stuff sometimes and the numbers were half the iMac so I don't think this is what we are hoping for unfortunately