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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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There's nothing stopping you from buying a refurb / sale priced Intel iMac in 2021 if it breaks down then. However, I wouldn't be surprised if it continues to function normally for several more years. I have a 2006 iMac that still has its original drive. It's slow and is stuck on Snow Leopard, but everything still works. That's 14 years on the original hard drive!
I thought about doing that to my 2010 before buying the 2017, but I wanted the 2017 just because.(I could get a work related subsidy too, so that pushed me.) The problem was the local repair shop was charging a LOT to do the replacement, and at the time I wasn't brave enough to do it.
At this point I wonder if I should do it, but I still haven't because I've been using it as a monitor for a dual 27" iMac setup, so the effort and cost would be wasted.
Good point. Hence why I am not in a rush. I want to see how much of a boost the 5700 XT is over the Vega 48. I know CPU wise I won't be gaining anything over my 9900K.
Still too early. Looks like the stock machines will be in Apple Stores tomorrow( my store at least is showing pick up availability tomorrow) and ordered stock machines will arrive Friday. BTO's are ~2 weeks out.
to save over 200€? Absolutely.
i am hopeing to also negotiate a deal for the ram as I did before.
I will probably buy the highest-end base model (maybe upgraded to 1TB SSD). I have fully expected just a spec bump, really happy that the RAM is still upgradable, so I'm kind of happy with this release. It's the last iteration of current line, so it should be really polished... I have MBP 2015 and it's still a solid laptop.
BUT...
Let's be honest...
(right now) Apple is 1+ trillion company and yet the upgrades are so lazy and boring and predictable. Just milking the last penny from every customer, just giving them precisely calculated specs, to force them to buy the most expensive model... yeah I get it, it's just a business, but man, I hope that someday the excitement will return in, at least some of it. I always look for a parallel in automotive companies, where the heritage, excitement and a little bit of non-sense still live. Where not every decision is motivated by money. Where the products for enthusiasts are supported from the consumer-focused product sales.
I'm ok with the design of the iMac, it's still nice, but after so many years...
They gave us Mac Pro, but it's so overpriced for the base model, that nobody who is able to spend around $3000-5000 will get it. Only because Apple really wants you to pay a fortune for it just to compensate the money they will lose when you upgrade it by yourself.
But why is so important? How much money would it be? Few million, tens of millions? Is it worth to disappoint their pro customers?
They still sell RAM upgrades for 4x times the real market price, they still sell SSD upgrades for 2x times the real market price. Just because they can.
Nothing new, I know... it's just that with every new product, this sad feeling wake up again.
BUT...
Let's be honest...
(right now) Apple is 1+ trillion company and yet the upgrades are so lazy and boring and predictable. Just milking the last penny from every customer, just giving them precisely calculated specs, to force them to buy the most expensive model... yeah I get it, it's just a business, but man, I hope that someday the excitement will return in, at least some of it. I always look for a parallel in automotive companies, where the heritage, excitement and a little bit of non-sense still live. Where not every decision is motivated by money. Where the products for enthusiasts are supported from the consumer-focused product sales.
I'm ok with the design of the iMac, it's still nice, but after so many years...
They gave us Mac Pro, but it's so overpriced for the base model, that nobody who is able to spend around $3000-5000 will get it. Only because Apple really wants you to pay a fortune for it just to compensate the money they will lose when you upgrade it by yourself.
But why is so important? How much money would it be? Few million, tens of millions? Is it worth to disappoint their pro customers?
They still sell RAM upgrades for 4x times the real market price, they still sell SSD upgrades for 2x times the real market price. Just because they can.
Nothing new, I know... it's just that with every new product, this sad feeling wake up again.
One thing I would like to point out is that buying directly from Apple will always out-weight a tiny discount you might get. You are located in germany which has got a lot of Apple stores so if I were you I would re-evaluate.
Unless you have a very good relationship with the reseller from before then I wouldn't do it.
The little discount is not often worth it in the end when something goes wrong.
If the discount was huge then sure, thats great but for a little over 200 you can ask a student friend and save more and still get it from Apple.
Unless you have a very good relationship with the reseller from before then I wouldn't do it.
The little discount is not often worth it in the end when something goes wrong.
If the discount was huge then sure, thats great but for a little over 200 you can ask a student friend and save more and still get it from Apple.
Can't believe it's actually possible that Friday next week I'm going to have a brand new iMac. Some people say, "it's just a machine", but I spend nearly half of my waking life sitting in front of it. So it is a big deal. I need it to make a living. It's my main source of entertainment. And so many other things.
9 years I've been using my current iMac. I never waited so long to upgrade. Even when I was still in high school I bought a new one after just 4 years, with every last euro I had.
I won't wait this long next time. I'll happily wait and see how Apple Silicon Macs are going to shake up the whole PC market. And after 4-5 years, get a super awesome redesigned 32" 2nm A18(?) powered iMac.
It just proof how slowly the technology advanced in the last decade.
Congrats!
And next time a girl tells you that she loves her dildo just say - 'Its just a machine'
And next time a girl tells you that she loves her dildo just say - 'Its just a machine'
OH MY GODDDDD AHAHAHA !!!Congrats!
And next time a girl tells you that she loves her dildo just say - 'Its just a machine'
Congrats!
And next time a girl tells you that she loves her dildo just say - 'Its just a machine'
...she can keep that.
As long as I get the iMac in the divorce...
...
Well, as my gym buddy once said...you should know me better than my wife.
Some may feel that way about their Macs.
Azrael.
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The last decade was a slog in traditional PC terms.
All the action was in phones and pads as far as Apple was concerned.
Azrael.
Haha, great conversation everyone! I was about to pull the trigger on the 2017 iMac Pro a few days ago as a prosumer kind of guy, WFH, but with a significant sweet spot for Bootcamp and gaming.
I'm a little confused. Has anything been updated with the iMac Pro? It looks as though fewer configuration options are available.
My main question is is the 3.0 Ghz 10 core Xeon Processor + Radeon Pro Vega 64X with 16 GB GPU the better combo than the new iMac options, such as 3.6 Ghz 10 core 10th generation (boost up to 5 Ghz?) + 5700XTwith 16 GPU the better combo?
One other tidbit, when do you go from 32 to 64 GB of RAM?
Thank you!!
I'm a little confused. Has anything been updated with the iMac Pro? It looks as though fewer configuration options are available.
My main question is is the 3.0 Ghz 10 core Xeon Processor + Radeon Pro Vega 64X with 16 GB GPU the better combo than the new iMac options, such as 3.6 Ghz 10 core 10th generation (boost up to 5 Ghz?) + 5700XTwith 16 GPU the better combo?
One other tidbit, when do you go from 32 to 64 GB of RAM?
Thank you!!
No.
1. Student discount, someone else on the bill, kicks it out of my taxes (another 16%). It's for business, but even as a private citizen you can write of computers here in Germany.
2. You buy everything you buy at "not sony", "not Prada", "not Rode". But buying a Apple product at not Apple is bad because?
3. "not Apple" is actually better. This is the only Apple licensed repair store in the county i am in. When my HDD in the old iMac died, they handed me over the HDD apple provided them for AppleCare, and they just build in the 1TB SSD i handed them. NEVER would happen at a Apple store.
4. Never had an issue with a reseller. Bought....three iPads, two MacBooks, one iPhone, now the third iMac... and i think only one iPad and the iPhone were bought directly at Apple. Never had issues. Saved tons of money.
And while i am at correcting you. "Not a big deal" on 3dB less actually is only half as loud of a machine if i understood it properly. Pretty big deal, if less noise also comes with better cooling this machine literally is everything a sane person (that knows Apple, cause apple sort of is not sane) could have hoped for. - Maybe with the exclusion of the redesign that Sonny got everybody hopes up. (prosser did not by the way
)
We will need to wait for official reviews and geekbench scores.
As long as I can say, the Vega64X has more TFLOPs power than the 5700 XT. But will it translate into real world usage, I don't know. RDNA1 has a lot more benefits than just raw crunching power.
CPU wise, the i9 10 core beats the Xeon 10 core. For sure.
32 or 64 GB is up to your use cases.
The iMac Pro has :
- the space black color
- A Xeon CPU for allocating more RAM (but today's iMac can have 128 GB of RAM).
- ECC RAM for higher stability in CAD/AR/VR development scenarios (very little effect)
- more core on BTO
- a thunderbolt 3 controller more for adding 2 more TB3 outputs (mainly due to the increased number of PCI-Express lanes in the Xeon CPU, a normal Comet-Lake-S CPU only has 16 lanes).
- I can't see anything else it has to offer more.
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I follow one rule that usually works really well in most cases.
Its: 'If you have to ask then you don't need it'
iMac Pro is a workstation computer so do you do anything that would take advantage of that?
I would dare to say that current iMac is much better deal and overall computer than the iMac Pro so unless you really much have Xeons, ECC ram and the cooling then iMac is the way to go. You also save money on top of it.
You go to 64gb when you ran out of 32gb and its constant bottleneck.
I have 16gb on this junk 2017 MBP and its a pain. Sometimes just switching to another user account takes ages before the system 'wakes up' and starts being responsive again
Its: 'If you have to ask then you don't need it'
iMac Pro is a workstation computer so do you do anything that would take advantage of that?
I would dare to say that current iMac is much better deal and overall computer than the iMac Pro so unless you really much have Xeons, ECC ram and the cooling then iMac is the way to go. You also save money on top of it.
You go to 64gb when you ran out of 32gb and its constant bottleneck.
I have 16gb on this junk 2017 MBP and its a pain. Sometimes just switching to another user account takes ages before the system 'wakes up' and starts being responsive again
For a more legit comparison wait till 18th-20th when these speced out machines drive at you tubers and they try to dish out benchmark videos within seconds after the unboxing.
There is probably very little tasks right now were you need 64gb of ram. it really depends on what you want to do though. Clear advantage over the pro is that you can always put in more on the normal iMac because of the RAM door.
Can't comment on the processor.
1. Didn't know its for business, in that case I apologise as that is completely different story. Thats fair there.
2. I know Prada but what is Rode? Anyway, I don't buy expensive stuff but when I do I do my research and make sure that its the right thing, right value, right timing etc. When it comes to Apple, I used to work for them when I studied (for 2 years) and trust me, there is a difference if you bought directly from Apple or not. The difference was not really in normal CS. It was mostly when it came to 'the extra mile' or 'bending the rules to help the customer' etc. Of course it was always on individual case but one thing was for sure. If you bought directly from Apple you had much bigger chance to receive the extra mile. So, I've learnt that this thing matters so I follow that logic.
3. As mentioned (unless you have good relationship) its ok too. If you build something with them then you probably have some 'loyal' approach from them etc. so that is a bonus also.
As for the 3dB - you took that out of context as I mentioned that my 2017 MBP much lower number and yet its a jet engine (9dB vs 13dB to be precise) so I said that I think its probably not very illustrative of noise levels. However, if I am wrong and then new iMac is 13dB and my MBP is 'only' 9dB and yet it sounds so crazy when under load then I'm never buying this iMac as MBP is already too much noise so if iMac has much more than no thank you.
I still feel that the measurements are in a specific condition and probably not under heavy load. Not sure though.
sane person or not - we now that Apple overcharges for a tons of stuff there so 'sane' is probably a little stretch here)
But please do keep 'correcting me' as I learn something new everytime. Thats what discussion is for
2. I know Prada but what is Rode? Anyway, I don't buy expensive stuff but when I do I do my research and make sure that its the right thing, right value, right timing etc. When it comes to Apple, I used to work for them when I studied (for 2 years) and trust me, there is a difference if you bought directly from Apple or not. The difference was not really in normal CS. It was mostly when it came to 'the extra mile' or 'bending the rules to help the customer' etc. Of course it was always on individual case but one thing was for sure. If you bought directly from Apple you had much bigger chance to receive the extra mile. So, I've learnt that this thing matters so I follow that logic.
3. As mentioned (unless you have good relationship) its ok too. If you build something with them then you probably have some 'loyal' approach from them etc. so that is a bonus also.
As for the 3dB - you took that out of context as I mentioned that my 2017 MBP much lower number and yet its a jet engine (9dB vs 13dB to be precise) so I said that I think its probably not very illustrative of noise levels. However, if I am wrong and then new iMac is 13dB and my MBP is 'only' 9dB and yet it sounds so crazy when under load then I'm never buying this iMac as MBP is already too much noise so if iMac has much more than no thank you.
I still feel that the measurements are in a specific condition and probably not under heavy load. Not sure though.
sane person or not - we now that Apple overcharges for a tons of stuff there so 'sane' is probably a little stretch here
)But please do keep 'correcting me' as I learn something new everytime. Thats what discussion is for
No.
1. Student discount, someone else on the bill, kicks it out of my taxes (another 16%). It's for business, but even as a private citizen you can write of computers here in Germany.
2. You buy everything you buy at "not sony", "not Prada", "not Rode". But buying a Apple product at not Apple is bad because?
3. "not Apple" is actually better. This is the only Apple licensed repair store in the county i am in. When my HDD in the old iMac died, they handed me over the HDD apple provided them for AppleCare, and they just build in the 1TB SSD i handed them. NEVER would happen at a Apple store.
4. Never had an issue with a reseller. Bought....three iPads, two MacBooks, one iPhone, now the third iMac... and i think only one iPad and the iPhone were bought directly at Apple. Never had issues. Saved tons of money.
And while i am at correcting you. "Not a big deal" on 3dB less actually is only half as loud of a machine if i understood it properly. Pretty big deal, if less noise also comes with better cooling this machine literally is everything a sane person (that knows Apple, cause apple sort of is not sane) could have hoped for. - Maybe with the exclusion of the redesign that Sonny got everybody hopes up. (prosser did not by the way
Theoretically it was 1 business day shipping for non-BTO. So today by the end of the day or tomorrow at worse we *should* start to see benchmarks coming (not on 10 core models) and user unboxing. Maybe tomorrow for an iFixit review (they made it for the MBP 16). We should know very soon what cooling this machine has.
No.
1. Student discount, someone else on the bill, kicks it out of my taxes (another 16%). It's for business, but even as a private citizen you can write of computers here in Germany.
2. You buy everything you buy at "not sony", "not Prada", "not Rode". But buying a Apple product at not Apple is bad because?
3. "not Apple" is actually better. This is the only Apple licensed repair store in the county i am in. When my HDD in the old iMac died, they handed me over the HDD apple provided them for AppleCare, and they just build in the 1TB SSD i handed them. NEVER would happen at a Apple store.
4. Never had an issue with a reseller. Bought....three iPads, two MacBooks, one iPhone, now the third iMac... and i think only one iPad and the iPhone were bought directly at Apple. Never had issues. Saved tons of money.
And while i am at correcting you. "Not a big deal" on 3dB less actually is only half as loud of a machine if i understood it properly. Pretty big deal, if less noise also comes with better cooling this machine literally is everything a sane person (that knows Apple, cause apple sort of is not sane) could have hoped for. - Maybe with the exclusion of the redesign that Sonny got everybody hopes up. (prosser did not by the way
Interesting. You can write off computers in Germany. Even though not a business?
Sometimes 3rd parties can look after you better. Apple is all about the £££. Especially in terms of repair.
You have a trusting relationship with the reseller. Stick with them.
Every discount you can get on eg. £3k as a 'round number' can make a big difference. 10%=£300. That's ram. That's SSDs.
The 'less noise' sounds intriguing. I can't wait to get my machine. I know iMacs. They get hot. Then then blow hard. (No jokes...folks.)
We'll see if this 'new' contender maintains its grace under duress.
Azrael.
Actually, this is defo worth considering/taking a look - I bought a maxed-out i9 yesterday eve using my daughter's student edu access and once at checkout you log in using your apple id (mine) so all billing, etc. in my name and good for expenses. I saved £350+ and she gets a free set of airpods from the edu deal. (plus it's a mid-August delivery which I guessed might happen way back in June
)If the rate of progression on the A chip in the phone and pad is anything to go by...the AS Macs are going to get significant progression in the next 3 years.
Not just hotter and incremental like with Intel. Or GPUs that are a year out of date and unoptimized.
Azrael.
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