Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[sir grotius]

Just ordered, too. This machine seems to be targeted to people such as me WFH and appreciating some MS/Gaming capabilities with bootcamp on Intel. I maxed out the CPU and graphics, and went with 64GB RAM and 2 TB storage, although hesitated between 1 - 2 for a little while. Also did the nano screen because it sounds amazing, but not sure how different it'd be. Seems like a great beast, only concern is if it cools okay. I was going to do iMac Pro for a while, looks amazing, but couldn't stomach the 2017 idea for some reason, and the builds always took me to close to 7k.

 

[pldelisle]

Just ordered, too. This machine seems to be targeted to people such as me WFH and appreciating some MS/Gaming capabilities with bootcamp on Intel. I maxed out the CPU and graphics, and went with 64GB RAM and 2 TB storage, although hesitated between 1 - 2 for a little while. Also did the nano screen because it sounds amazing, but not sure how different it'd be. Seems like a great beast, only concern is if it cools okay.

Nice. I wanna see this nano screen. Very interested in some photos you could take when unboxing to see how it looks !

 

[carlos700]

The Radeon Pro 580 to 5500 XT is a bit of a crossgrade. But the fact the $2299 model went from an i5 to having an i7 is a bigger deal. An i7 hasn't been standard for the top-end I think ever for iMac.

 

[pldelisle]

The Radeon Pro 580 to 5500 XT is a bit of a crossgrade. But the fact the $2299 model went from an i5 to having an i7 is a bigger deal. An i7 hasn't been standard for the top-end I think ever for iMac.

Yes it was. The previous i7 was 6-core, while i9 was 8-core.

 

[carlos700]

Yes it was. The previous i7 was 6-core, while i9 was 8-core.

No i7 option on the previous model. The previous 6-core was an i5-9600K at 3.7GHz.

 

[pldelisle]

No i7 option on the previous model. The previous 6-core was an i5-9600K at 3.7GHz.

Oh true !!! I thought it was a 9700K. Sorry!
There was absolutely no difference other than frequency between both cpus(9600K-9700K)

 

[carlos700]

Oh true !!! I thought it was a 9700K. Sorry!
There was absolutely no difference other than frequency between both cpus.

Intel for some odd reason eliminated Hyper-Threading on the Core i7 for ninth-gen at a time when AMD Ryzen was really kicking in to gear. Because of this Apple entirely skipped over offering an i7.

 

[Freida]

I really hope that you got the 64gb not from apple

Just ordered, too. This machine seems to be targeted to people such as me WFH and appreciating some MS/Gaming capabilities with bootcamp on Intel. I maxed out the CPU and graphics, and went with 64GB RAM and 2 TB storage, although hesitated between 1 - 2 for a little while. Also did the nano screen because it sounds amazing, but not sure how different it'd be. Seems like a great beast, only concern is if it cools okay. I was going to do iMac Pro for a while, looks amazing, but couldn't stomach the 2017 idea for some reason, and the builds always took me to close to 7k.

 

[The_Lord_of_Apple]

What RAM do I order for this imac version? Is it the same as the 2019 and does anybody have a link. I got 16GB installed with it but I want at least another 16...maybe 32.

try these guys https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/imac-2019-27-inch

 

[DLary]

Since the CPU is designed to accept 2933 memory. Wonder if the new iMac will recognize 2933 or keep it at 2666?

 

[CWallace]

We need to pay a lot more $$$ for the new "high end" AMD offerings compared to 2017.

In 2017, the Radeon Pro 570 was the standard GPU for the iMac 5K. The Radeon Pro 580 in my 2017 5K was a BTO upgrade option that ran me I believe around $400.

So now the standard GPU is equivalent to the performance of a $400 BTO GPU three years ago.

 

[Martinpa]

Damn. Definitively because of yesterday’s iMac release. Try Kingston if you can. High quality too.

Says it should only take about a week longer, so it’s not that bad

 

[Freida]

Now, anyone here received the unit or still waiting? I think someone mentioned delivery within 2 hours and that was 3 hours ago

 

[DQ11]

Headphones !!!! Which one are you spotting ?

Not sure yet. I used to use a pair of Sony MDR 7506's, as those are what I learned on and I know them sound wise pretty good as I used them for years, but eventually the thin metal jack broke off into the side of my MBP and it's still stuck there to this day. lol

* Sony MDR 7506's / ATH-Mx40's / BD DT 770's..............I think I got the name on all those correct. I've been trying to read as many reviews and watch as many comparison videos online.

I think I'm going to get the MDR 7506's & a 2nd pair so I have another reference. I really like the MDR 7506's but they could be better in the Bass/mids, so I'd like a 2nd pair to help me out when those aren't working.
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Since the CPU is designed to accept 2933 memory. Wonder if the new iMac will recognize 2933 or keep it at 2666?

That is a good question...I'll check out the link you sent too. thanks

 

[DQ11]

Order Crucial RAM or Kingston through their online validator app. Both sell certified RAM for iMac. You can’t go wrong. I prefer Crucial since they use Micron chips.

I've heard good things about Crucial. may go with them. thank you.

 

[Freida]

We have beaten this topic in this thread many many times. I myself criticised Apple, along with @Azrael9 and others. I myself personally was hoping for 6600 RDNA2 and was hoping that this would be released at least a month or so later so we can get up to date GPU. But in those 300+ pages you will find why Apple did again what they always do so you coming here and 'attacking' him personally was a bit off.
Sure it could be your english and you perhaps were talking in general but at the same time, you should have checked yourself and maybe even offer apology.
Like me, when I often completely disagree with DrRadon and I suspect that we wouldn't get along in person I challenge him and when he busts my bum I back pedal and often even say sorry.
Its fine to challenge or provoke, its not fine to do what you did.

You are stuck on 5700XT whilst we talked about this on at least 50 pages. I'm not asking you to check but if you want to keep yourself busy whilst waiting for your iMac maybe read the last 100. You will be entertained for sure

@pldelisle offered tons of info to this topic (unlike you) so coming here and whine only is yet another reason why I will defend pldelisle and will not like your approach.
Balance it out - we all have strong opinions and FOR FUSION SAKE we have done this here a lot but Who are you again? See?

No one is fanboy here - at least definitely not and others here. We have been upset in this thread many many times so don't assume or use generic "excuse" just because it fits your story.
I'm sure @DrRadon will have a great smart word for it as he often teaches me something new that I didn't know before.

So maybe ask before you shoot. On the other hand, this is a tech forum and you can do whatever you want just like other people that like to hide behind computer. What I say here I have no problem to tell you in your eyes as I am wired like that. (and yes, it does sometimes put me in difficult situation as not most people are ready to hear what one things)

So yeah, backpedal and balance it. Or even better, say that you are sorry and that you didn't mean to pick on him. Only I can do that to Dr....(ok I'll stop now - not funny anymore I know )

Anyway, its just a machine (who said that? I wonder )

 

[Homy]

Well that is the key, isn't it? The 27" 5K iMac used to come with a 1TB or 2TB Fusion Drive as standard. Now they come with an SSD as standard.

Yes, the SSD capacity is smaller than the Fusion Drive capacity, but considering how much flack the Fusion Drive got on this thread and others, almost nobody would be willing to take the larger capacity of a Fusion Drive because of the HDD part and would all prefer a smaller-capacity SSD as the only drive.

Yes but both models had 1TB so you had to buy the second model 3.1 GHz only if you wanted a better CPU or GPU, not because of a too small HDD. Now you almost have to buy the second model even if you get a better CPU. At the same time you don't get a better GPU. Having only 256GB is like having 8GB of RAM. You must upgrade it somehow for an additional cost. Oh well, that's the way it is now. Looking forward to AS. Hope Apple doesn't disappoint and play cheap next year.

 

[DQ11]

* Can we mix and match RAM. I ordered mine with 16GB...I'm assuming that means 2x8GB. Does that mean I have to get 2X8GB for 16 = a total of 32GB ram, or can I get 2x16GB Ram sticks and have those included as well?

I wasn't sure if you can match 16 & 8Gb ram, or do they all have to match?

* If not, would I just have slot 1&3 be the imac ram, and slot 2&4 be the new ram?

What would be the main difference in Kingston, Crucial or OWC Ram? Price? Reliability?

 

[CWallace]

I believe you to be incorrect sir.

That is a specific model in a specific configuration of CPU and GPU.

This is I believe the basic Store Configuration model and it has a Radeon Pro 570: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/...7-inch-aluminum-retina-5k-mid-2017-specs.html

Here is the mid-level model, which has a Radeon Pro 575: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/...7-inch-aluminum-retina-5k-mid-2017-specs.html

This is the BTO model I had with the Core-i7. Note how you can order it with the Radeon Pro 575 (standard) or the Radeon Pro 580 (upgrade): https://everymac.com/systems/apple/...7-inch-aluminum-retina-5k-mid-2017-specs.html



Take a look at the Wikipedia page for the 2017 iMac and you will see that there were three GPU options: AMD Radeon Pro 570, 575 and 580. The latter two were BTO upgrade options (though the 575 came as standard on the higher Store Configuration).

 

[quagmire]

* Can we mix and match RAM. I ordered mine with 16GB...I'm assuming that means 2x8GB. Does that mean I have to get 2X8GB for 16 = a total of 32GB ram, or can I get 2x16GB Ram sticks and have those included as well?

I wasn't sure if you can match 16 & 8Gb ram, or do they all have to match?

* If not, would I just have slot 1&3 be the imac ram, and slot 2&4 be the new ram?

What would be the main difference in Kingston, Crucial or OWC Ram? Price? Reliability?

No problems mixing as I did the same with my 2019. Just would have to keep the 8 GB sticks in slots 1 and 3 and the 16 GB sticks in Slots 2 and 4( or vice versa). The OEM RAM will already be in slots 1 and 3 so won't have to worry about it too much.

As for brand, don't know too much. I haven't had any issues with Crucial RAM though I went with OWC with my 2019.

 

[_Skyfire_]

That is a specific model in a specific configuration of CPU and GPU.

Take a look at the Wikipedia page for the 2017 iMac and you will see that there were three GPU options: AMD Radeon Pro 570, 575 and 580. The latter two were BTO upgrade options.

Unfortunately Apple only keeps records of online orders for 18 months so I cannot pull up my receipt and with the new Macs, one cannot look at an older version of the store's configurator page.

Yes it's a specific configuration, but so is the price of $2,300, no? I was comparing the "bang-for-your-buck", and if for $2,300 you could get Radeon Pro 580 in 2017 and only 5500 XT today, which basically offers same level GPU performance, that's just wrong

To clarify further, from the get-go I thought I was comparing the highest base config from 2017 (with the i5 3.8Ghz), to the highest base config from 2020, each without any BTO upgrades. But obviously I could have been mistaken about that

1. perhaps you were talking in general

2. -You are stuck on 5700XT
-coming here and whine only
-use generic "excuse" just because it fits your story.
-Who are you again?

1. Yes, I was talking in general. Once again, it's not my responsibility if a grown man blows a fuse over me observing why is it Apple makes pricing decisions like they do

2. Lmfao, way to pile on. That's quite an ad hominem. Pretty despicable behavior... "It's just a computer ", was clearly a dishonest statement from you. Apparently you now attack people just based on a computer 😂

 

[Freida]

Oh man, this is beyond repair. I've tried.
Good luck, I won't be responding to you anymore. Clearly not reasonable

Yes it's a specific configuration, but so is the price of $2,300, no? I was comparing the "bang-for-your-buck", and if for $2,300 you could get Radeon Pro 580 in 2017 and only 5500 XT today, which basically offers same level GPU performance, that's just wrong

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To clarify further, I thought I was comparing the highest base config from 2017 (with the i5), to the highest base config from 2020, without any BTO upgrades


1. Yes, I was talking in general. Once again, it's not my responsibility if a grown man blows a fuse over me observing why is it Apple makes pricing decisions like they do

2. Lmfao, way to pile on. That's quite an ad hominem. Pretty despicable behavior... "It's just a computer ", was clearly a dishonest statement from you. Apparently you now attack people just based on a computer 😂

 

[DQ11]

No problems mixing as I did the same with my 2019. Just would have to keep the 8 GB sticks in slots 1 and 3 and the 16 GB sticks in Slots 2 and 4( or vice versa). The OEM RAM will already be in slots 1 and 3 so won't worry have to worry about it too much.

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As for brand, don't know too much. I haven't had any issues with Crucial RAM though I went with OWC with my 2019.

Yea I'm leaning towards OWC at the moment...that or crucial. Thanks for the quick response though.

I wasn't planning on the imacs shadow dropping yesterday, so now I'm scrambling to get the RAM, Heaphones,desk, chair, Audio interface and Midi keyboard to have ready for when the imac gets here.

Haven't made music in a few years so I'm getting a whole new set up.....My 2007 MBP isn't cutting it...hasn't since 2013..lol

 

[Homy]

That is a specific model in a specific configuration of CPU and GPU.

This is I believe the basic Store Configuration model and it has a Radeon Pro 570: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/...7-inch-aluminum-retina-5k-mid-2017-specs.html

Here is the mid-level model, which has a Radeon Pro 575: https://everymac.com/systems/apple/...7-inch-aluminum-retina-5k-mid-2017-specs.html

This is the BTO model I had with the Core-i7. Note how you can order it with the Radeon Pro 575 (standard) or the Radeon Pro 580 (upgrade): https://everymac.com/systems/apple/...7-inch-aluminum-retina-5k-mid-2017-specs.html



Take a look at the Wikipedia page for the 2017 iMac and you will see that there were three GPU options: AMD Radeon Pro 570, 575 and 580. The latter two were BTO upgrade options (though the 575 came as standard on the higher Store Configuration).

Radeon 580 was standard on the top model with 3.8GHz CPU. The BTO option was for the 4.2 GHz CPU. It could be had with iMac Radeon 575 or 580. https://everymac.com/systems/apple/...7-inch-aluminum-retina-5k-mid-2017-specs.html

5500XT is actually similar to 580X. Here you can see that RX 5500XT performs the same as RX 580 in some games and a little better in other games. So not much improvement over the past three years. 5700 should be standard on the top model. You never know with Apple though. They may have clocked 5500XT in such a way that it appears to be faster than 580X.

 

[ekwipt]

Since the CPU is designed to accept 2933 memory. Wonder if the new iMac will recognize 2933 or keep it at 2666?

I've only found these so far?

128GB Kit 4x32GB DDR4-2933 PC4-23400 SODIMM Laptop Memory by Nemix Ram

Capacity: 128GB Kit (4 x 32GB)Type: 260-Pin DDR4 SODIMMSpeed: DDR4 2933 (PC4 23400)Voltage: 1.2VDimm Type: SODIMMRank: 2Rx8

www.nemixram.com