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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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Had a quick question about Ram upgrade:
I ordered 2 sticks of 16GB memory from Crucial at the same time I ordered my new iMac. The computer should arrive tomorrow, but last wednesday I received an email from Crucial saying they were backordered and it might take up to a week to ship my RAM. Hopped on customer support chat today, and had to pull teeth to finally be told that it should take another 5 to 7 days before they send it. Before I could ask customer support more question, he ended the chat...
So, I'm contemplating cancelling my order and getting OWC, or one stick of 32GB instead of 2x16GB.
Is there a downside to getting 1 stick of 32GB instead of 2 sticks of 16GB, as supplements to the 8GB that comes standard (i.e. 4GB - 4GB - 16GB - 16GB vs. 4GB - 4GB - 32GB - Empty). Also Crucial vs. OWC?
I ordered 2 sticks of 16GB memory from Crucial at the same time I ordered my new iMac. The computer should arrive tomorrow, but last wednesday I received an email from Crucial saying they were backordered and it might take up to a week to ship my RAM. Hopped on customer support chat today, and had to pull teeth to finally be told that it should take another 5 to 7 days before they send it. Before I could ask customer support more question, he ended the chat...
So, I'm contemplating cancelling my order and getting OWC, or one stick of 32GB instead of 2x16GB.
Is there a downside to getting 1 stick of 32GB instead of 2 sticks of 16GB, as supplements to the 8GB that comes standard (i.e. 4GB - 4GB - 16GB - 16GB vs. 4GB - 4GB - 32GB - Empty). Also Crucial vs. OWC?
Don't have only 1 stick. You will loose dual channel and it will be less performant. The iMac might not appreciate it too.
4GB - 4GB - 16GB - 16GB is the correct config.
Wait for Crucial. They worth it. American Micron DRAM chip. Best quality ever.
I am tempted to pick up either stock mid or top tier model with us going back to work from home here. My local retailer has both in stock for click and collect today. I want one, but if I'm really honest my MacBook Pro does what I need. I'd just like to reduce my footprint from MacBook + 40" 4K screen.
Thanks for the reply. I just find it a bit ridiculous that it'll take 2 weeks for them to send it to me... My iMac was supposed to arrive between Aug 19-21, but it looks like it'll be here tomorrow, so I'll be stuck with that 8GB for longer than I had wished. Maybe I'll talk to them tomorrow (the guy I talked to had a hard time understanding what I was asking) and double-check if they have an estimate, and maybe I'll contemplate 2x32GB
That order is from top to bottom correct? Is there a benefit to doing 16GB-16GB-4GB-4GB?
The order would be 4 GB-16 GB-4 GB-16 GB. The iMac will come with the 4 GB sticks taking up slots 1 and 3. The 16 GB sticks should go in slots 2 and 4 to maintain full speed.
I ordered mine from OWC and it just came today...a day early. That was the 16x2 GB = 32GB total. Maybe try them to get it faster.
I read this can cause the RAM to down clock to 2133MHz.
I guess it's a matter of try what works with clock speed. If 2666Mhz is reached, don't touch !
But yes if it comes in Slot 1 and 3, then you have to put the aftermarket in the other two slots in respect to dual-channel.
I read this can cause the RAM to down clock to 2133MHz.
I guess it's a matter of try what works with clock speed. If 2666Mhz is reached, don't touch !
But yes if it comes in Slot 1 and 3, then you have to put the aftermarket in the other two slots in respect to dual-channel.
My 2019 has 48 GB( 2x 8GB and 2 x 16 GB) with the Apple 8 GB sticks in slots 1 and 3. Running at full speed.
that’s probably the same batch that I will get. Ordered on the 6th but got express shipping.
That is the RAM config I will have. I got a BTO with 16 GB and will add 32gb more via 16x2. Good to know that works.My 2019 has 48 GB( 2x 8GB and 2 x 16 GB) with the Apple 8 GB sticks in slots 1 and 3. Running at full speed.
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I didn't know express shipping was an option..lol
As I predicted.
The new iMac buries the iMac Pro.
For?
50-60% less price.
Azrael.
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It will be. Can't wait to get in the driver's seat...
You have to give it to Max Tech'. He gets on with the benches. No blather.
Azrael.
I read this can cause the RAM to down clock to 2133MHz.
I guess it's a matter of try what works with clock speed. If 2666Mhz is reached, don't touch !
But yes if it comes in Slot 1 and 3, then you have to put the aftermarket in the other two slots in respect to dual-channel.
I kind of read this before with AMD motherboards and faster memory on the PC side of things.
But the penny finally dropped with these posts. ie... You have to load balance them in a set order to get the faster potential speed.
I wasn't sure of the channel numbers.
But I am now.
See? I learned something again from your posts.
Humble Pie (with extra thick pastry.)
Azrael.
So 10-20% increase in CPU on average over four years? At the same time the A11 (2017) to 2019 (A13) doubled in multicore score and we have the A14 just around the corner...Puts things into perspective.As I predicted.
The new iMac buries the iMac Pro.
For?
50-60% less price.
Azrael.
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It will be. Can't wait to get in the driver's seat...
You have to give it to Max Tech'. He gets on with the benches. No blather.
Azrael.
I think of the kind of loads that kick the fans up. Games. Video. Rendering passes (eg x3 of them...)
The newer RDNA1 gpus (last year or not...) finally allow the iMac more poise to run games 'within capability.'
The newer AMD gpu VCN 1.0 codecs really take the burden of video off the system. And some of those video benches are quite dramatic... (*spanking* the iMac Pro and Mac Pro in the process?)
And rendering, anthony13, himself(! *waves*) has finally(!) got his rig...and done some early testing for his Arch'-Vis tool of choice and got more polished, faster renders without breaking sweat.
You're closing in on it, Dr. The iMac will be with you before long. (You're just over a week out? But still awaiting a specific date confirmation?)
I'm 7 days out.
It's the final countdown.
Azrael.
AS. Behold the Titan.
Context. No observer can look at Intel or AMD for the best part of the last ten years and be anything but bemused by the evolutionary state of progress. I don't recall anything too dramatic. After the initial transition of PPC to Intel, things slowed. Intel were happy to sit on quad cores and milk them until AMD got off the canvas and chipletted them at much more affordable prices. In graphics? Nividia is out on the Mac. And 'last year, mid-range' performance is in. Both of these are inadequate for the Mac platform. 1st rate prices to be 2nd rate tech' citizens spanked by PC Gamer's for 'Macs that are crap at gaming.' We hath seen the light too late. As the PCs once again...go on an upward curve of GPU tech' which may never see the light of day in conventional terms on any Mac. Ampere. RDNA2? maybe on the iMac Pro or Mac Pro.
But I think it's a bit of a thing when you pay £3400 and you can't get the latest gpu tech'. Still. AMD don't have it to give right now. And they haven't had a high end offering in years. They haven't got it to give right now. November? Most were bored of waiting. But maybe they wouldn't have been bored of waiting had Apple done this iMac refresh last fall...when the gpu had been out for half a year by then. Or even offered it as a BTO option.
Grumbles aside. This legacy iMac is a worthy upgrade in historical iMac terms. As we can only compare to what was...and not what we think it should be (RDNA2 BTO which just isn't out. Blame AMD for that one.)
This dependency on partners who don't deliver performance or efficiency of power is over. Apple have finally had enough and now the Mac has joined the 'A' for Apple Family series of chips. With all of the destiny controlling power that brings. We would do well not to underestimate them and the computing experience that will bring. I await with intrigue.
The 'A' was, initially, coming from a place of humility and low hanging fruit with the intial iPhone and iPad releases. Even so...the gains from 2017 to 2019 are quite dramatic. As Apple created the A'x' variant, the performance gains ballooned from iPhone to iPad. Though these 'dramatic' gains have slowed down in some areas...the focus on other areas like A.i and machine learning...have been eye popping. And I have no doubt the jump from A12z to A14x will be eye watering for the opposition with the A14x poised to give the consumer Intel chips a right duffing up...
Ergo...what 'ballooning' of performance may we get from the unshackled AS?
Intel painted themselves into a corner. Greed. Hubris. Poor strategy based upon both blinded them.
I expect the single core AS to breeze past the static thermal stagnation of Intel.
The multi-core to blitz them.
And the gpu score to decimate them.
...and specific A.I acelerated user workloads...? Off the charts. Tough to replicate elsewhere with generic, monolithic brute force.
All without the need for a Nuclear Reactor to cool it...or risking meltdown or increasingly agonising cooling solutions which all hinder design progress.
Azrael.
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Bloomberg 'leaks' talk of 50-100% for AS Macs.
And I think for certain workloads eg. 8k video encoding we may have even more dramatic gains where it encodes like butter. In fact. Max Tech' have already show certain codecs on iPad trouncing Mac Pros.
So, user work flow cases instead of artificial benches are where we should apply the slide rule of AS.
Video. Np. Gaming Np. OS 'teh snappy'? Np.
If I could get that from an AS iMac? All in a sexy form factor with no hairdryer?
I'm in.
Azrael.
A solid review.
Hard to disagree with what he said with AS on the horizon.
He makes it clear this is a solid machine for the average user. But I'd augment what he said by adding, this is a sound machine for any pro'.
It thumps the iMac Pro in many, many cases for less than half the price. It humbles the Mac Pro on certain workloads. And that's without seeing many 5700XT 16 gig GPU based machines in action.
As for the games. I smiled with irony.
There aren't many PC machines that can run '4'k at 60FPS on the latest games. To run 4k with all the bells and whistles you're probably looking at a 2080Ti and they cost alot(!@) of money.
To see the latest games such as Doom Eternal running at 70FPS+ on the iMac at HD and upto 80+fps 2440p on a 5300 gpu made me smile. And that's the low end gpu of this iMac generation..! But the monitor only refreshes at 60 hz!!!
As most reviews for PC games are obsessed with higher refresh rate monitors and high FPS in HD and 2440p.
Mainstream gaming is HD. Not 4k. It's not based around a 2080Ti. The mainstream doesn't have 2080TI performance. PC or Mac.
More likely it's based around 5700XT levels of performance. And AMD did a good job of giving the mainstream 50% of the performance of a 2080Ti for 1/3rd of the price. Clever move.
And what's the iMac got? A 5700XT and with 16 gig of Vram which some scoffed wouldn't happen on the iMac.
It may be last year's mid range card. But it's the best gpu the iMac has ever had. A gpu that can finally run games within capability. So when he says he wouldn't recommend a Mac to game on? I'd now disagree. For £1750 you DO have a Mac you can game on!!! And it included a 5k monitor!!!!!!!! I wonder what fps the 5700 XT will bring...
Finally. An iMac that can game.
And there are those that doubt the AS will be able to transform Mac gaming...
Azrael.
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