Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[teetoo]

Unbelievable! Just seen a UPS van slow up outside my house, pull in the lay-by, I go to the front door to open and he drives off! I then get a missed delivery/next day attempt on the UPS tracking! Fuming! Have just call them and they're going to contact local depot/driver and get a redelivery today. Arggh! I want my iMac!!

 

[DrRadon]

Unbelievable! Just seen a UPS van slow up outside my house, pull in the lay-by, I go to the front door to open and he drives off! I then get a missed delivery/next day attempt on the UPS tracking! Fuming! Have just call them and they're going to contact local depot/driver and get a redelivery today. Arggh! I want my iMac!!

i had that happen before (the house i live in has two doors, it confuses drivers by UPS because they don't nearly deliver as much as Amazon and DHL here)
Calling them actually resulted in them telling me there was no way to contact the driver, yet still a few hours later i had my delivery so apparently they were able to...

 

[pldelisle]

AS. Behold the Titan.

Context. No observer can look at Intel or AMD for the best part of the last ten years and be anything but bemused by the evolutionary state of progress. I don't recall anything too dramatic. After the initial transition of PPC to Intel, things slowed. Intel were happy to sit on quad cores and milk them until AMD got off the canvas and chipletted them at much more affordable prices. In graphics? Nividia is out on the Mac. And 'last year, mid-range' performance is in. Both of these are inadequate for the Mac platform. 1st rate prices to be 2nd rate tech' citizens spanked by PC Gamer's for 'Macs that are crap at gaming.' We hath seen the light too late. As the PCs once again...go on an upward curve of GPU tech' which may never see the light of day in conventional terms on any Mac. Ampere. RDNA2? maybe on the iMac Pro or Mac Pro.

But I think it's a bit of a thing when you pay £3400 and you can't get the latest gpu tech'. Still. AMD don't have it to give right now. And they haven't had a high end offering in years. They haven't got it to give right now. November? Most were bored of waiting. But maybe they wouldn't have been bored of waiting had Apple done this iMac refresh last fall...when the gpu had been out for half a year by then. Or even offered it as a BTO option.

Grumbles aside. This legacy iMac is a worthy upgrade in historical iMac terms. As we can only compare to what was...and not what we think it should be (RDNA2 BTO which just isn't out. Blame AMD for that one.)

This dependency on partners who don't deliver performance or efficiency of power is over. Apple have finally had enough and now the Mac has joined the 'A' for Apple Family series of chips. With all of the destiny controlling power that brings. We would do well not to underestimate them and the computing experience that will bring. I await with intrigue.

The 'A' was, initially, coming from a place of humility and low hanging fruit with the intial iPhone and iPad releases. Even so...the gains from 2017 to 2019 are quite dramatic. As Apple created the A'x' variant, the performance gains ballooned from iPhone to iPad. Though these 'dramatic' gains have slowed down in some areas...the focus on other areas like A.i and machine learning...have been eye popping. And I have no doubt the jump from A12z to A14x will be eye watering for the opposition with the A14x poised to give the consumer Intel chips a right duffing up...

Ergo...what 'ballooning' of performance may we get from the unshackled AS?

Intel painted themselves into a corner. Greed. Hubris. Poor strategy based upon both blinded them.

I expect the single core AS to breeze past the static thermal stagnation of Intel.

The multi-core to blitz them.

And the gpu score to decimate them.

...and specific A.I acelerated user workloads...? Off the charts. Tough to replicate elsewhere with generic, monolithic brute force.

All without the need for a Nuclear Reactor to cool it...or risking meltdown or increasingly agonising cooling solutions which all hinder design progress.

Azrael.

You definitively watch too much medieval movies. 😂 😂 😂

 

[Azrael9]

Unbelievable! Just seen a UPS van slow up outside my house, pull in the lay-by, I go to the front door to open and he drives off! I then get a missed delivery/next day attempt on the UPS tracking! Fuming! Have just call them and they're going to contact local depot/driver and get a redelivery today. Arggh! I want my iMac!!

Aye. The 'knock and run' delivery men.

Highly annoying.

Azrael.
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27-inch iMac with Retina 5K displayArriving Soon
Track shipment

" Shipped "

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Ordering the RAM NOW!

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

Crucial RAM 32GB Kit (2x16GB) DDR4 2666MHz CL19 Memory for Mac CT2K16G4S266M

CT2K16G4S266M is a 32 GB Kit consisting of (2) 16 GB Dual Ranked DDR4 SODIMM modules that operates at speeds up to 2666 MT/s and has a CL19 latency. It is an Unbuffered SODIMM. It conforms to the industry standard DDR4 SODIMM layout of 260 pins and is compatible with systems that take DDR4 2666 M...

www.amazon.co.uk

And I need pldelisle seal of approval on this ram...

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

If I'm to put my old iMac into target mode to get my files off it...

Do I need a TB3 cable?​

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or fast Pen/Thumb Nail drive?​

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Or could I just transfer the files to my external SSD...and pull them over to the new iMac.​

The external SSD has a previous version of Mac OS on it. High Sierra. Or something. (It has been 6 months since I booted into the thing...)

Advice?

I'm buying Windows 10 Home addition from a local PC shop...so I can set up Boot Camp.

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

So 10-20% increase in CPU on average over four years? At the same time the A11 (2017) to 2019 (A13) doubled in multicore score and we have the A14 just around the corner...Puts things into perspective.

it is going to be interesting to see the jump.
I know apple wants it. But if you see people having better results now by lots of ram you pretty much need to maintain a ram door or lower prices from silly to somewhat normal. Otherwise some of the power due to better thermals might just be lost on fewer ram. Especially if apple goes "iPad Pro" style in the sense of just having a large tablet with some extra ports and no touch.

 

[Azrael9]

it is going to be interesting to see the jump.
I know apple wants it. But if you see people having better results now by lots of ram you pretty much need to maintain a ram door or lower prices from silly to somewhat normal. Otherwise some of the power due to better thermals might just be lost on fewer ram. Especially if apple goes "iPad Pro" style in the sense of just having a large tablet with some extra ports and no touch.

AS.

RAM.

Standard amounts of 8, 16, 32 or 64 or 128. And we'll pay it. And 'like' it. (A bit like how the iPhones and iPads work.)

Maybe a good time for AS to standardise Macs on 16 gigs of Ram. It would add a selling point to these machines. Well, for Macs.

Azrael.

 

[pldelisle]

Crucial RAM 32GB Kit (2x16GB) DDR4 2666MHz CL19 Memory for Mac CT2K16G4S266M

CT2K16G4S266M is a 32 GB Kit consisting of (2) 16 GB Dual Ranked DDR4 SODIMM modules that operates at speeds up to 2666 MT/s and has a CL19 latency. It is an Unbuffered SODIMM. It conforms to the industry standard DDR4 SODIMM layout of 260 pins and is compatible with systems that take DDR4 2666 M...

www.amazon.co.uk

And I need pldelisle seal of approval on this ram...

Azrael.

But I read many times here on this forum that mixing the stock RAM with aftermarket RAM works randomly. If you can, buy two kits, 64 GB RAM total. Sell the 2x4GB here for someone who wants 16 GB total of "real" Apple RAM. 16 GB is still very respectable for any tier-1 or tier-2 iMac and compatibility is 100% sure for this person.

And you'll be in 4:1 ratio for CPU:GPU VRAM

 

[teetoo]

Aye. The 'knock and run' delivery men.

Highly annoying.

Yeah, except he didn't even get out of the van. Apparently he left a card at another house down the lane, what a friggin muppet. They've spoken to him now and he can't make it back to my area today, but he can leave at a pickup point in the next town and I can collect in an hour. Not ideal, but just don't want the same crap again tomorrow.

 

[tomwilson]

8gb ram really sucks. Amazon says my 2x16 wont be here until the 29th even though its shipped already. Rip Australia.

 

[CWallace]

If I'm to put my old iMac into target mode to get my files off it...

Do I need a TB3 cable?​

​

or fast Pen/Thumb Nail drive?​

​

Or could I just transfer the files to my external SSD...and pull them over to the new iMac.​

In my experience, doing Migration Assistant over Thunderbolt is the fastest, however nowadays I just use my Time Machine backup to migrate.

 

[Whiteman007]

@Azrael9 my iMac finally cleared customs the UPS app says tomorrow delivery I’m not sure about that date tho

 

[timidpimpin]

The obvious point here is that Apple would never release two different iMacs in the same year. The first AS Mac will be a MacBook of some sort.

 

[Tomba108]

Are you in Chesterfield Azreal? Same here. I'll buy your 8gb ram haha.

 

[John90976]

@Azrael9 my iMac finally cleared customs the UPS app says tomorrow delivery I’m not sure about that date tho

Mine finally cleared customs as well. 2-3 days sitting in China, 1 day in South Korea, 2 days in Anchorage, now in Louisville, and finally San Diego tomorrow. UPS is dragging its feet, wouldn't be complaining if they didn't alter the delivery date 5 times and act like my package was lost, and unfortunately they have always have been like this, seems like especially in the context of international shipping, I want to see if Express is worth it next time.

 

[Martinpa]

Mine finally cleared customs as well. 2-3 days sitting in China, 1 day in South Korea, 2 days in Anchorage, now in Louisville, and finally San Diego tomorrow. UPS is dragging its feet, wouldn't be complaining if they didn't alter the delivery date 5 times and act like my package was lost, and unfortunately they have always have been like this, seems like especially in the context of international shipping, I want to see if Express is worth it next time.

Our Macs might have been in the same initial shipment; sitting in China, then South Korea, then Anchorage, then Louisville. It went through Clearance twice for some reason... in Anchorage and in Louisville. It’s now in Ontario. So many stop gaps where it just sits for a day or two. I payed for express, bought it right before midnight the day it came out, so I don’t k ow that that was a worthwhile expense...

I’d like if tracking also showed the full route from the beginning, so I’d know yo expect that many steps and I wouldn’t expect the package to go straight from China to North America, or wouldn’t expect it to go from Anchorage to Ontario, or Louisville straight to Montreal...

 

[CWallace]

The obvious point here is that Apple would never release two different iMacs in the same year. The first AS Mac will be a MacBook of some sort.

If the first AS iMac is a different size (~24"), a different industrial design (iPad Pro-like) and with new capabilities (FaceID, etc.) then I could see it happening in the same year as the two models would be differentiated enough:

1) Intel iMac for those who need the ability to run native x86 code and OSes (i.e. - Windows)
2) Apple Silicon iMac for those who can use x86 code via emulation and do not need to run other OSes and who want to take advantage of the new capabilities that Apple Silicon brings over Intel.

 

[John90976]

Our Macs might have been in the same initial shipment; sitting in China, then South Korea, then Anchorage, then Louisville. It went through Clearance twice for some reason... in Anchorage and in Louisville. It’s now in Ontario. So many stop gaps where it just sits for a day or two. I payed for express, bought it right before midnight the day it came out, so I don’t k ow that that was a worthwhile expense...

Ah yes our macs may have shared a plane unless they're playing rapid catch up. A shame express doesn't change anything, in my googling I saw in past forum posts (2007! 2010!) people dealing with the exact same UPS stalling measures for new macs and some people in the chat said they just got Express and were given FedEx tracking, no fussing. I guess express does not get you FedEx anymore based on your experience, a shame. At least the end is near and way better than waiting until the 20th!

 

[teetoo]

It's here, I'm typing on it. Yes, finally!!! Unboxing got a bit messy, too many layers of sticky plastic, normally unbox MBPs and much less fuss, that said, I did find the theme song from Ferris Bueller's Day Off in my head as I first opened the box up haha. Anyway, setup has taken about 20mins and I'm now about to start installing some bits.

Ram not arrived yet so still got the standard 8 in for the mo but happy to run a few tests if anyone wants to see how it gets on?

 

[DrRadon]

The obvious point here is that Apple would never release two different iMacs in the same year. The first AS Mac will be a MacBook of some sort.

I agree. While the small iMac did not get it's update yet, a ARM release with new design would clearly hurt the Intel 27 incher in it's sales by showing of the future new design and other gimmicks. ARM iMac will probably hit February or march.

I assume next will be the bigger, more powerful, MacBooks and after that it's 27 inch iMacs turn before eventually MacPro and iMac Pro (if they keep it around) follow. They sort of need drip feed the "power levels" to the consumer so they can get exited about things to come (like right now, with possible GPUs, comparability and such). 27 inch will sell better if you can say "twice aspowerfull as the small one", MacPro will sell better if you can say "4 to 20 (if you trade in one of your houses for it) times as powerful as iMac 27 inch".

Also for the more pro machines it obviously helps if software has some time to come around and be optimized while the first years also might reveal some hardware things to be fixed on apples side of things.

I doubt this will go much quicker than the two years they announced.

If Apples makes the MacBook Pro (meaning not portliness) again i might be in the marked for a more recent 13 incher in a few years. Otherwise i will probably just hope that my final cut will automatically come with the iPad Pro App and just switch to a iPad Pro from my 2018 iPad for the time being.

 

[Kjs100]

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The obvious point here is that Apple would never release two different iMacs in the same year. The first AS Mac will be a MacBook of some sort.

If Apple had updated the 21.5" iMac at the same time as the 27" iMac then I might not have expected the ARM iMac this year however the smaller iMac is due an update, which also accords with Kuo's prediction of a Q4 2020 24" ARM iMac.

 

[Whiteman007]

It's here, I'm typing on it. Yes, finally!!! Unboxing got a bit messy, too many layers of sticky plastic, normally unbox MBPs and much less fuss, that said, I did find the theme song from Ferris Bueller's Day Off in my head as I first opened the box up haha. Anyway, setup has taken about 20mins and I'm now about to start installing some bits.

Ram not arrived yet so still got the standard 8 in for the mo but happy to run a few tests if anyone wants to see how it gets on?

what one you get? Also my ram should be here today and the IMac UPS gave me a notification saying tomorrow

 

[Azrael9]

In my experience, doing Migration Assistant over Thunderbolt is the fastest, however nowadays I just use my Time Machine backup to migrate.

CWallace,

Thank you for the advice.

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

It's here, I'm typing on it. Yes, finally!!! Unboxing got a bit messy, too many layers of sticky plastic, normally unbox MBPs and much less fuss, that said, I did find the theme song from Ferris Bueller's Day Off in my head as I first opened the box up haha. Anyway, setup has taken about 20mins and I'm now about to start installing some bits.

Ram not arrived yet so still got the standard 8 in for the mo but happy to run a few tests if anyone wants to see how it gets on?

Well done.

Sure, run some tests and tell us how 'she' handles.

Azrael.