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Will you buy the iPad Pro with Face ID?

  • Yes

    Votes: 142 66.4%
  • No

    Votes: 72 33.6%

  • Total voters
    214
Actually yes.

I resisted the iPhone X and hate the idea of face ID on an iPhone. But... I often use the iPad 12.9” at a stationary 45° angle, and I’m always finding it an inconvenience reaching down for the home button. I think Face ID may have a more justifiable use on the iPad IMO.
 
I share kazmac’s concern. I understand the data is stored on the separate secure chip, but just because it’s safe now doesn’t mean it always will be. Everything is hackable, it’s just a matter of will and time. If/when that day comes I’m willing to deal with the consequences of my fingerprint being out there (partly because many organizations already have my fingerprint), but having my accurate 3D face out there is new territory with unknown potential dangers, and frankly just creepy. It’s like these companies that want your DNA in exchange for family history. No thanks. This is getting way too invasive.

Thank you for saying this in a way that I simply could not. I agree with you and this is exactly why I do not want to use Face ID (especially as someone who went through identity theft in the past), it's not something I want or need in my tech.

@akash.nu thanks for the explanation.
 
I share kazmac’s concern. I understand the data is stored on the separate secure chip, but just because it’s safe now doesn’t mean it always will be. Everything is hackable, it’s just a matter of will and time. If/when that day comes I’m willing to deal with the consequences of my fingerprint being out there (partly because many organizations already have my fingerprint), but having my accurate 3D face out there is new territory with unknown potential dangers, and frankly just creepy. It’s like these companies that want your DNA in exchange for family history. No thanks. This is getting way too invasive.

As far as we know the secure enclave has not been breached.

I think your concern is probably misplaced because:

If you have a passport or driving license government already has your image and it’s probably not stored as safely as your FaceID data.

If you have any sort of photo ID like a Student ID or a work ID then you can pretty much guarantee it’s not stored as safely as FaceID data.

If you or anybody you know has ever posted pictures of you on the internet then absolutely anybody has access to them.

If you have ever been filmed on CCTV then who knows what organisations already have your face.

If you’re ever out in public then anybody can take a picture of you.

If you’re concerned about it then I would focus on these first.
 
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Quite happy with my 10.5 and don’t usually upgrade my iPads yearly. Only upgrade after about 2-2.5 years. Upgrade my iphone yearly, it is my main computer as I use it the most. Will keep my iPad Pro for another year and likely upgrade in 2019. My MBA gets less use so I probably won’t upgrade that until it stops working. I doubt Apple will bring out a new iPad mini so I’ll just have to keep using it until it goes to iPad heaven.
 
As far as we know the secure enclave has not been breached.

I think your concern is probably misplaced because:

If you have a passport or driving license government already has your image and it’s probably not stored as safely as your FaceID data.

If you have any sort of photo ID like a Student ID or a work ID then you can pretty much guarantee it’s not stored as safely as FaceID data.

If you or anybody you know has ever posted pictures of you on the internet then absolutely anybody has access to them.

If you have ever been filmed on CCTV then who knows what organisations already have your face.

If you’re ever out in public then anybody can take a picture of you.

If you’re concerned about it then I would focus on these first.

No doubts all valid points made.
 
As far as we know the secure enclave has not been breached.

I think your concern is probably misplaced because:

If you have a passport or driving license government already has your image and it’s probably not stored as safely as your FaceID data.

If you have any sort of photo ID like a Student ID or a work ID then you can pretty much guarantee it’s not stored as safely as FaceID data.

If you or anybody you know has ever posted pictures of you on the internet then absolutely anybody has access to them.

If you have ever been filmed on CCTV then who knows what organisations already have your face.

If you’re ever out in public then anybody can take a picture of you.

If you’re concerned about it then I would focus on these first.

I’ll just quote myself:

“I understand the data is stored on the separate secure chip, but just because it’s safe now doesn’t mean it always will be.”

“having my accurate 3D face out there is new territory”
 
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I’ll just quote myself:

“I understand the data is stored on the separate secure chip, but just because it’s safe now doesn’t mean it always will be.”

“having my accurate 3D face out there is new territory”

Do you really think your face has not already been scanned (in 3d) and lives in some government database now?
 
I just don’t understand all this paranoia about Face ID. Do you use Touch ID on your current iPad and iPhone? The two technologies work exactly the same way from a security standpoint. A sensor collects biometric data, which is then stored, encripted, on the Secure Enclave of your device’s processor. This data is separate from the rest of the device and not able to be accessed or transmitted. Anytime you want to unlock your device or use biometric authentication in an app, a new scan is taken and compared to the one on file in the Secure Enclave. The ONLY thing the app receives from the Secure Enclave is a simple “yes the scans match” or “no the scans don’t match”. The actual scan data never leaves the Secure Enclave. The only differences between Face ID and Touch ID are what part of your body is being scanned and the actual sensor type that is doing the scanning. The actual biometric data that is collected is handled exactly the same way between the two technologies.

Being freaked out about Face ID while being totally fine with Touch ID strikes me as a little silly.
 
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These are the same people that put tape over their ipad, iphone & macbook cameras cause they think the Goverment is spying on them. Nothing wrong with protecting oneself in this high tech world of identy theft...but some of this borders on paranoia. Trust me, i’m no fan of big government...but i think they’re too busy to look thru the ipad camera of Joe Blow from Tulsa Oklahoma. Get a grip people.
 
These are the same people that put tape over their ipad, iphone & macbook cameras cause they think the Goverment is spying on them. Nothing wrong with protecting oneself in this high tech world of identy theft...but some of this borders on paranoia. Trust me, i’m no fan of big government...but i think they’re too busy to look thru the ipad camera of Joe Blow from Tulsa Oklahoma. Get a grip people.

While I agree that some attitudes can border on paranoia, unfortunately the too many cases of corporate and government entities selling or carelessly losing our personal data go a long way to feeding it. Even Apple had an agreement with Facebook on access to Facebook's data. As I mentioned above, I lost a huge amount of personal (and extended family) data to the Chinese hack of the OMB security clearance database.
 
I just don’t understand all this paranoia about Face ID. Do you use Touch ID on your current iPad and iPhone? The two technologies work exactly the same way from a security standpoint. A sensor collects biometric data, which is then stored, encripted, on the Secure Enclave of your device’s processor. This data is separate from the rest of the device and not able to be accessed or transmitted. Anytime you want to unlock your device or use biometric authentication in an app, a new scan is taken and compared to the one on file in the Secure Enclave. The ONLY thing the app receives from the Secure Enclave is a simple “yes the scans match” or “no the scans don’t match”. The actual scan data never leaves the Secure Enclave. The only differences between Face ID and Touch ID are what part of your body is being scanned and the actual sensor type that is doing the scanning. The actual biometric data that is collected is handled exactly the same way between the two technologies.

Being freaked out about Face ID while being totally fine with Touch ID strikes me as a little silly.

I think you’re referring to me, but I’m not sure because it seems like you’re responding to things I never actually said. Perhaps what you’ve heard others say?

These are the same people that put tape over their ipad, iphone & macbook cameras cause they think the Goverment is spying on them. Nothing wrong with protecting oneself in this high tech world of identy theft...but some of this borders on paranoia. Trust me, i’m no fan of big government...but i think they’re too busy to look thru the ipad camera of Joe Blow from Tulsa Oklahoma. Get a grip people.

Yup! I do cover my internet-connected cameras when not in use.

“they think the Goverment is spying on them”

They were/are spying on us, as the Snowden leaks proved. Whether one cares or not is up to the individual.

The paranoia border is shifting around tremendously these days, which is appropriate with everything that’s been in the news.

With such a complex technological world we live in, it’s hard to hit the exact right balance of convenience and risk. I guess I prefer to err on the side of paranoia.
 
I just don’t understand all this paranoia about Face ID. Do you use Touch ID on your current iPad and iPhone? The two technologies work exactly the same way from a security standpoint. A sensor collects biometric data, which is then stored, encripted, on the Secure Enclave of your device’s processor. This data is separate from the rest of the device and not able to be accessed or transmitted. Anytime you want to unlock your device or use biometric authentication in an app, a new scan is taken and compared to the one on file in the Secure Enclave. The ONLY thing the app receives from the Secure Enclave is a simple “yes the scans match” or “no the scans don’t match”. The actual scan data never leaves the Secure Enclave. The only differences between Face ID and Touch ID are what part of your body is being scanned and the actual sensor type that is doing the scanning. The actual biometric data that is collected is handled exactl the same way between the two technologies.

Being freaked out about Face ID while being totally fine with Touch ID strikes me as a little silly.


After the cameras at a Apple store on display iMacs were on and identified me over the last
3 weeks- I received numerous spam-phishing calls pretending to be from that Apple store two-three days after my visit. So, yes, someone has my image already, but that is as far as it will go. I actually turned off the cameras on all three iMacs, the second time I was there. I reported that to Apple. I will not step foot in that particular store again.

So I get that some folks do not understand my particular feelings on this. Enjoy your more expensive iPP.
 
I think you’re referring to me, but I’m not sure because it seems like you’re responding to things I never actually said. Perhaps what you’ve heard others say?

Yeah it was more of a general response to some of the back and forth I’ve been watching on this and other threads. It wasn’t really directed at anyone in particular.

After the cameras at a Apple store on display iMacs were on and identified me over the last
3 weeks- I received numerous spam-phishing calls pretending to be from that Apple store two-three days after my visit. So, yes, someone has my image already, but that is as far as it will go. I actually turned off the cameras on all three iMacs, the second time I was there. I reported that to Apple. I will not step foot in that particular store again.

So I get that some folks do not understand my particular feelings on this. Enjoy your more expensive iPP.
Just out of curiosity, how can you prove that it was the cameras on the display iMacs that led to the phone calls? And how did those cameras supposedly taking pictures of you lead to people calling your phone number? Are you claiming that they matched your picture to one they already had on file for you that was also linked to your phone number? And if someone had that level of personal information, wouldn’t they be using it to do something more than spam you? In any case, I don’t really feel like this example is applicable to what I posted about how Face ID works.

Your experience aside, my point was that using Face ID is no more or less risky than using Touch ID from an identity theft standpoint. The data for both is stored in the Secure Enclave and not acessible by any app. If you don’t want to use any biometric security features out of fear your biometric data might be compromised, that’s your business. Though, you may want to wear a mask and gloves out in public if you’re that worried since most stores these days try to collect as much biometric data on you as they can (which includes face recognition). But there is no rationale for being ok with Touch ID but afraid of Face ID. They are equivalent from a security standpoint.
 
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After the cameras at a Apple store on display iMacs were on and identified me over the last
3 weeks- I received numerous spam-phishing calls pretending to be from that Apple store two-three days after my visit. So, yes, someone has my image already, but that is as far as it will go. I actually turned off the cameras on all three iMacs, the second time I was there. I reported that to Apple. I will not step foot in that particular store again.

And how do you hypothesise this happened?
 
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After the cameras at a Apple store on display iMacs were on and identified me over the last
3 weeks- I received numerous spam-phishing calls pretending to be from that Apple store two-three days after my visit. So, yes, someone has my image already, but that is as far as it will go. I actually turned off the cameras on all three iMacs, the second time I was there. I reported that to Apple. I will not step foot in that particular store again.

So I get that some folks do not understand my particular feelings on this. Enjoy your more expensive iPP.

Perhaps those eyes that you have been sketching on your iPad are spying on you as well... o_O
 
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After the cameras at a Apple store on display iMacs were on and identified me over the last
3 weeks- I received numerous spam-phishing calls pretending to be from that Apple store two-three days after my visit. So, yes, someone has my image already, but that is as far as it will go. I actually turned off the cameras on all three iMacs, the second time I was there. I reported that to Apple. I will not step foot in that particular store again.

So I get that some folks do not understand my particular feelings on this. Enjoy your more expensive iPP.

Sounds too far fetched. Somebody tried to phish you because a camera on a display iMac was on? And how did that data from Apple got to that spammer?
 
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Dont care about face ID per say, but Im really interested in less bezel. So that would be the selling point. However, if the camera isnt flush, I probably wont buy it.
 
Yeah it was more of a general response to some of the back and forth I’ve been watching on this and other threads. It wasn’t really directed at anyone in particular.


Just out of curiosity, how can you prove that it was the cameras on the display iMacs that led to the phone calls? And how did those cameras supposedly taking pictures of you lead to people calling your phone number? Are you claiming that they matched your picture to one they already had on file for you that was also linked to your phone number? And if someone had that level of personal information, wouldn’t they be using it to do something more than spam you? In any case, I don’t really feel like this example is applicable to what I posted about how Face ID works.

Your experience aside, my point was that using Face ID is no more or less risky than using Touch ID from an identity theft standpoint. The data for both is stored in the Secure Enclave and not acessible by any app. If you don’t want to use any biometric security features out of fear your biometric data might be compromised, that’s your business. Though, you may want to wear a mask and gloves out in public if you’re that worried since most stores these days try to collect as much biometric data on you as they can (which includes face recognition). But there is no rationale for being ok with Touch ID but afraid of Face ID. They are equivalent from a security standpoint.
Because those calls pretended to originate from that Apple store and the cameras have never been on any iMac I ever tested at any Apple store before. The two times I visited that store in the last month someone knew I was there and I got robocalls from ”Apple Support” and spoof calls from the Grand Central store. Never happened before in my 13 years of going to Apple stores. I also keep all location etc. turned off on my phone.

I knew I would be questioned over saying something: that is okay. I find it very suspicious that the cameras were on every single Mac on display and I had to turn them off. Whatever the case, they knew what I looked like and who I was. I alerted Apple the morning after I got the second wave of calls (10 in one day) claiming to be from Apple Grand Central and wanting to talk to me about my crendentials. What am I supposed to think?

I do not have time to read everyone else’s comments as I just got a virus on my iMac again because of school (thank you professors using 6 year old assignments to questionable web sites) and have to wipe that and my external drive. Needless to say, I am pretty disgusted right now especially at my college.

Enjoy your day and your iPP.
 
This is news to me. Can you show me any evidence for this claim?

Im not going to do your leg work for you. It would take about 30 seconds of googling to see that Facial Recognition systems are already deployed and in use at many airports, train terminals, government building, arena's, etc. across the globe. I had my face scanned going through security at an airport twice in the last 4 months.
 
FaceID doesn’t seem very practical on an iPad, but idk

I think I might cherish my 12.9 2017 even more

I have no fingerprints so Face ID would be a Godsend. I have the iPhoneX and I love Face ID. My iPad is over 4 years old and I will be replacing it as soon as the new ones are available.
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FaceID doesn’t seem very practical on an iPad, but idk

I think I might cherish my 12.9 2017 even more

My iPad is 4+ years old and needs replacing. I have no fingerprints so Face ID is great for me. I have the iPhone X and really like this feature since I no longer have to key in password numbers.
 
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Im not going to do your leg work for you. It would take about 30 seconds of googling to see that Facial Recognition systems are already deployed and in use at many airports, train terminals, government building, arena's, etc. across the globe. I had my face scanned going through security at an airport twice in the last 4 months.

Why would I do the legwork to prove a claim of something I don’t believe? I would only do it if I somewhat believed it, or if I was trying to disprove it to you, which I am not. If you don’t want to back up your claim, that’s ok.

I forgot about those airport scans because in my mind they barely constitute as 3D scans, not the kind we’re talking about with Face ID. They’re basically just photographs mapped over a relatively simple polygons—very little 3D data and very inaccurate algorithms—probably on par with a Samsung phone, or any entertainment face app. Face ID is taking it to a completely different level. The accuracy is astounding, which makes it incredibly powerful, which makes me incredibly cautious.
 
Face ID is taking it to a completely different level. The accuracy is astounding, which makes it incredibly powerful, which makes me incredibly cautious.

I’m curious what you’re cautious about? What could your FaceID data actually be used for? Are you thinking something along the lines of a Mission Impossible plot where somebody pretends to be you and ruins your life?
 
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