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Will you leave the Apple ecosystem because of CSAM?


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In my eyes, Apple hasn't broken my trust. They've outlined exactly what their intentions are and how the software works, just like they've done with every other feature they've implemented. If I don't think Siri is spying on me, then why should I think this new feature is spying on me? That was my point. They could do anything they want, but they don't.
Except when they do...the code for this scanning on device was there since 14.3, which they said it wasn't. They said privacy was the most important thing--except in China, or whenever it becomes financially unfeasable.

We are a long way from the FBI being denied access to an iPhone.

And it is fine that you trust them. We do not.
 
Except when they do...the code for this scanning on device was there since 14.3, which they said it wasn't. They said privacy was the most important thing--except in China, or whenever it becomes financially unfeasable.

We are a long way from the FBI being denied access to an iPhone.

And it is fine that you trust them. We do not.
You should've stopped trusting them long ago. Meanwhile I'll continue to use their services because they are superior to anything else out there.
 
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I think you are overdramatising the whole situation especially if you are yourself a kind of person who are easily bought into “Cold War”, “war on drugs”, “9/11” etc.
Humanity had peacefully slept through a million of wake up calls so it is actually amusing to see all the “awakening”.
uh... peacefully sleeping because only sane men prevailed while others careened carelessly towards disaster, or by sheer luck.

I guess you can go back to sleep now, let the sane folks talk.
 
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The same way they are doing with Child Porn, they might be doing tomorrow with the DVDs you had and ripped and stored on iCloud. It is terrifying that someone is getting in your house to check the file cabinets in your home office without asking for your consent.
I don't think they will do that, but it's their server so they can decide what is acceptable on it. Similarly, you can't upload copyrighted content to youtube.
 
The future...

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One thing is uploading your content to their cloud, another thing is they checking on your local storage on iPhone and iPad for now. Next is macOs.
I guess you must've missed where they said the scan only occurs while your photo is being uploaded to iCloud. Your local library isn't scanned at all until an upload occurs.
 
Apple is sneaky. They got everyone to buy and get hooked to their products, and now the fun/control begins! lol

That "walled garden" everyone loved so much is now biting them in the behind. King Apple is now opening up the playbook :)
That's your opinion.
 
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Here's my opinion:
1. If Apple continues to snoop on my things and others don't I might easily cancel iCloud and move to OneDrive, if others start with the same BS, then it is what it is.

2. No, I will not leave the system right now, but as my Apple devices become obsolete, then I might just go buy the competitors' devices IF they don't adhere to the stupidity that Apple is doing right now.
 
Here's my opinion:
1. If Apple continues to snoop on my things and others don't I might easily cancel iCloud and move to OneDrive, if others start with the same BS, then it is what it is.

2. No, I will not leave the system right now, but as my Apple devices become obsolete, then I might just go buy the competitors' devices IF they don't adhere to the stupidity that Apple is doing right now.
You forgot to mention that "Apple" isn't snooping at anything. They can't see any of your data, they can only see the safety vouchers which don't contain your photo. If 30 vouchers come through flagged as CSAM (astronomically rare), then those images will be unlocked and sent through another perceptual hashing system in the cloud to determine if they are in fact real CSAM images and not just hash collisions. Then, if they ARE real, only then Apple can have humans physically review them. You're scared about all of that?
 
I highly doubt that. But if even half that many abandoned Apple, that would still be a pretty big chunk of business.

Apple's proposed technology works by continuously monitoring photos saved or shared on the user's iPhone, iPad, or Mac. One system detects if a certain number of objectionable photos is detected in iCloud storage and alerts the authorities. Another notifies a child's parents if iMessage is used to send or receive photos that a machine learning algorithm considers to contain nudity.

Because both checks are performed on the user's device, they have the potential to bypass any end-to-end encryption that would otherwise safeguard the user's privacy.

Immediately after Apple's announcement, experts around the world sounded the alarm on how Apple's proposed measures could turn every iPhone into a device that is continuously scanning all photos and messages that pass through it in order to report any objectionable content to law enforcement, setting a precedent where our personal devices become a radical new tool for invasive surveillance, with little oversight to prevent eventual abuse and unreasonable expansion of the scope of surveillance.


The above is from the link you sent me. There are so many things wrong with this text, so I guess even the experts don't know what's going on.

1. "Apple's proposed technology works by continuously monitoring photos saved or shared on the user's iPhone, iPad, or Mac." No it's not. The vouchers are only generated and sent to Apple with the photo that is currently being uploaded. Your library isn't constantly scanned.

2. "Because both checks are performed on the user's device, they have the potential to bypass any end-to-end encryption that would otherwise safeguard the user's privacy." -- First of all, the Messages feature is controlled by the parent and the AI doesn't kick in until the photo has been downloaded to the device and the information stays on the device, so therefore Apple has no idea that anything has happened. Only the parent is notified of questionable content. Second of all, as far as I'm aware, photos in iCloud are not end to end encrypted. Apple holds the master key to everyone's photo library and they can unlock them at any time.

3. "Immediately after Apple's announcement, experts around the world sounded the alarm on how Apple's proposed measures could turn every iPhone into a device that is continuously scanning all photos and messages that pass through it in order to report any objectionable content to law enforcement, setting a precedent where our personal devices become a radical new tool for invasive surveillance, with little oversight to prevent eventual abuse and unreasonable expansion of the scope of surveillance." -- Again, they're not being continuously scanned. Apple outlined exactly how the software works in their documents. If the experts took the time to read everything, they might learn a thing or 2.

Also, there's more than one single check going on. The first check is on your device, the second check is in the cloud, so therefore, with this system, your photos have more privacy than before because the only photos Apple can unlock are the ones that matched the first hashing process and then those photos are unlocked and sent through another separate different perceptual hash to weed out any false positives. Then if those photos still match CSAM content, then Apple has humans verify their contents and contact the appropriate organization to report it.
 
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I highly doubt that. But if even half that many abandoned Apple, that would still be a pretty big chunk of business.
If one makes the assumption about the spending habits. There are one billion iphone users. Not all spend money on the ecosystem, but all are capable of spending money. For all we know, that '25%' are the bottom feeders in terms of Apple ecosystem $$$.
 
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