Well, all I really have to do is what I have already done. Use something else... Problem solved. I know from your bubble you may find this hard to believe, but there are other tech companies. Never put all your eggs in one basket.
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Will you leave the Apple ecosystem because of CSAM?
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Nothing to hide but the principle bugs me. Will end using icloud.
Isn't that the case? Very few of the posters are arguing this, this is why they are contemplating alternatives. I think it's funny that people are actually offended that others are going to leave, they go on and on about how Apple can do no wrong, and trying to gaslight the ones who are leaving that they are 'outraged' or 'screeching' or 'freaking out'.
Most of the posts are quite level headed, they aren't trying to encourage others to leave, and some are taunting them to pull out pitchforks.
Apple made (is making) a decision. So are we, because of said decision. Why is that being taken so personally by a select group?
Have Apple stated they didn't have perceptual hashing code in iOS 14.x? Where?
Have Apple stated explicitly that privacy is the most important thing? Where?
Look, I don't have pics of naked people on my phone, nor I have ripped DVDs on my Mac. All the software I have is legit. Even though I don't want people to look at my files. Go away Apple with your BS.
Whoa, chief. This here's a dignified group of refined people.
But I'm sure she would say "If you seek Amy, hit me baby one more time."
You are aware that, with Android Open Source Project, it is actually possible to build your own OS, right?
Not per se. But they've implied the code wouldn't be in there until the next major release. It still isn't--well, not that we know of, but part of it is. Bad optics, if nothing else.
Srsly? Have you been living under a rock? It's been one of Apple's big selling points over the competition. Heck, they're even trying too claim they're doing CSAM scanning on the devices to preserve privacy. (Which is about as tortured logic as ever I've seen.)
Oh I have plenty to hide. But it's not illegal, and it's definitely not CSAM.
I will hide everything that is no one's damn business but mine, not because I'm scared or embarrassed, but because I value my privacy and autonomy. I don't give a damn what complete strangers think about me or my reasons for not sharing everything with everyone.
I am not happy about it but if I leave the Apple ecosystem this is just kinda the last reason. I have been a fan of Apple since the Mac II series (all I could afford was cheap commodores - not even Amigas or Ataris before that). I stuck with Apple through the lean years, even when I worked for their competition.
I was not happy about paying the Apple tax But I bought Apple because I believed it was better.
I was not happy about Apple gaming. But I bought a Performa 640 with a 486 daughter card so I could game. When I upgraded to PowerPC, I got another low power daughter card.
I was not happy about phones with no sd slot for storage. But I stayed with Apple.
I was not happy about Macs with little or no upgradability in hard drives or ram. But I stayed for Apple.
I was not happy about underpowered or throttled intel macs. But I stayed and made use of boot camp when I could.
I was not happy about underpowered video in the mac mini when I couldn't justify a $2K iMac. But I stayed with Apple and added an eGPU. I even stayed when boot camp was "broken" if you tried to use an eGPU.
I was not happy with using my HomePod ad a Homekit hub. But again I stayed with Apple.
I am not happy how limited the voice functions are with Siri on my HomePod compared to other assistants. But I stayed with Apple.
Only thing I have never had an issue with are my Apple TV (3ed set) and my Apple watch.
With my now limited income my choices are to buy years old Apple systems, or build my own and get the same specs. Get an Android phone that cheaper and better than an iPhone SE with a lot better specs. I just have to deal with Android.
Overall I felt even with all those issues, Apple was a better company and I honestly felt Apple was one of the ONLY companies I would trust with things like my passwords. I guess I was wrong.
I was not happy about paying the Apple tax But I bought Apple because I believed it was better.
I was not happy about Apple gaming. But I bought a Performa 640 with a 486 daughter card so I could game. When I upgraded to PowerPC, I got another low power daughter card.
I was not happy about phones with no sd slot for storage. But I stayed with Apple.
I was not happy about Macs with little or no upgradability in hard drives or ram. But I stayed for Apple.
I was not happy about underpowered or throttled intel macs. But I stayed and made use of boot camp when I could.
I was not happy about underpowered video in the mac mini when I couldn't justify a $2K iMac. But I stayed with Apple and added an eGPU. I even stayed when boot camp was "broken" if you tried to use an eGPU.
I was not happy with using my HomePod ad a Homekit hub. But again I stayed with Apple.
I am not happy how limited the voice functions are with Siri on my HomePod compared to other assistants. But I stayed with Apple.
Only thing I have never had an issue with are my Apple TV (3ed set) and my Apple watch.
With my now limited income my choices are to buy years old Apple systems, or build my own and get the same specs. Get an Android phone that cheaper and better than an iPhone SE with a lot better specs. I just have to deal with Android.
Overall I felt even with all those issues, Apple was a better company and I honestly felt Apple was one of the ONLY companies I would trust with things like my passwords. I guess I was wrong.
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What what what, angry emojis??
So what, if you're a parent at this point in time, and refuse these protective measures offered because of your 'privacy protection ideology', and lets say, in 15 years time your child comes crying to you that they were molested by online predators, and they ask you as a parent, 'why didn't you protect me?'.
What will you consider what your emotion is going to be then.
Will you still be proud of yourself for upholding your self centred 'privacy'?
You know in animal kingdom, as well as humans in 'most countries' in the world, adults reproduce and so instinctively they'll protect their offspring with their life.
What what what, angry emojis??
So what, if you're a parent at this point in time, and refuse these protective measures offered because of your 'privacy protection ideology', and lets say, in 15 years time your child comes crying to you that they were molested by online predators, and they ask you as a parent, 'why didn't you protect me?'.
What will you consider what your emotion is going to be then.
Will you still be proud of yourself for upholding your self centred 'privacy'?
You know in animal kingdom, as well as humans in 'most countries' in the world, adults reproduce and so instinctively they'll protect their offspring with their life.
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But... But... But... We've got to do something! Who cares if it isn't particularly effective and stomps all over people's privacy in the process? At least it's something! How can you be so selfish, cold-hearted and uncaring? After all: It's for the children!
When someone tells you it's "for the children," you know right off the bat you're about to get bent over.
I do have young children. Two girls, in fact. And your tactic is embarrassingly bad.
The last people I need protecting my kids are Tim Cook and Apple employees. I wouldn't leave my children unsupervised for 5 minutes with those degenerates.
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It's for the children.
No because
- this is a legitimate argument for apple to block government mandated encryption backdoors ON DEVICE. i'd rather have no backdoor encryption key in my crypto
- most other services are already doing this, or similar
- hosting such stuff in icloud leaves apple liable for it
- if you're really that paranoid, you shouldn't be using icloud backup anyway, and you can turn it off.
Only if you follow the individual arguing on that basis down their rabbit hole of irrationality
No, they are not.
No, it does not. Not criminally liable, anyway. Not if they're not aware of it. They are not required by law to take preemptive action, which is what this would be.
Wait, you are arguing for monitoring of user's phones by Apple and the people who argue on the side of privacy and the presumption of innocence and freedom from unreasonable search are the overbearing overlords?
Help, I'm being oppressed by freedom!!!!
And yes, we are all Jesuits who are arguing for this... 🙄
It is a bad sign. Companies more and more do what ever questionable governments ask. Look at China. Even chinese people living in the states get blocked on facebook for one day, if they post critical content about China. Facebook is following Chinese orders here. Now they scan for illegal photos. What if governments determine other things illegal soon?
No-one made any such argument, those are your words.
A company proposes a solution to an existing problem, everyone runs to the hills and screams loss of privacy. None of you (people against it) as Adults can do everything or have the power to protect your kids yourselves, yet your'e all outraged when a company offering solutions that require services you already have enabled. Ironically, then you'd probably blame (or in the the USA, sue) the company because you did what iCloud on to protect your kids...
You're already submitted to accepting iCloud, it needs to be on to use Apple Pay, to use AirDrop, to save passwords to Keychains etc.
In the 80's TV had Charlie the cat child safety awareness programmes, such as 'charley said, always tell your mummy before you go off somewhere'. You think parents stop their kids watching because they thought the big baddie TV companies were trying to control them???
lol settle down
Except that it is not a solution. This has already been pointed out. If you are going to tell the perps how not to get caught... What good is it? And keep up, this is not about scanning iCloud. No one has an issue with that. This is about spyware on your personal devices. And yes, most of us are perfectly able to protect our own children. The facts are that children are more often abused and molested by their own family and people close to the family. And for those children that are actually abducted (Elizabeth Smart), sorry, spyware on a iPhone does nothing to prevent that. I have nothing against kids being monitored, but spyware on the device is not the way.
You specifically called the other poster a policeman of the internet. What a ridiculous accusation.
Everyone as in the EFF? Edward Snowden? The ACLU? Stop trying to make it sound like the only people who are concerned are 3 forum goers and a dog. The only one who is screaming is you.
Again crooked slander by trying to put words in my mouth, nice turn around after trying to weasel out of your own previous accusation. No idea what you’re trying to prattle on about either.
No one ever disputed this, why does this keep being brought up? Why don’t you do your homework and read the thread instead of making spurious claims?
What does this have to do with the discussion at hand? Asking everyone else to ‘settle down’ when it is you who decided to jump in without reading the past discussion and getting into everyone’s face is the height of hubris, because obviously you’re the smartest guy in the room. Not.
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