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Will you leave the Apple ecosystem because of CSAM?
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What happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone (unless you plan on uploading said content to Apple's servers, then it's no longer on your iPhone is it?)
The statement on the poster was not conditional. (There's no "unless" or "except" or whatever in it.) It clearly reads "What happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone." The proposed scanning occurs on your iPhone. If the scanner gets a "hit" it sends the results off your iPhone. Therefore, in that case: What happens on your iPhone clearly does not stay on your iPhone.
Others are not privacy advocates and don't use privacy to build their image. That's the big difference.
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Stepped out to stretch my legs a bit and it all-of-a-sudden hit me: Apple claims they'll only scan image content destined for iCloud, yes? I imagine everybody's thinking that means iCloud photo (and video) storage/sharing, right? But that really wouldn't address the problem Apple claims they mean to address. What if I turn off iCloud photo sharing and manually share them to Files, instead?
Is Apple also going to scan things you save to Files when it's an iCloud target? Or is there a hole in their plan?
Is Apple also going to scan things you save to Files when it's an iCloud target? Or is there a hole in their plan?
The first pass happens on your phone yes, but it only happens if you're uploading data to the cloud, so while the processing is done on your device, you are still uploading that data to the cloud regardless, so it's not a part of the "stays on your phone" statement.
Your logic is faulty on two counts: Again: Apple's claim was not conditional. It didn't claim "What happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone unless..." It asserted "stays on your iPhone," period. The analysis happens on your phone. The analysis may leave your iPhone. It can't possibly get any more the opposite of "stays on your iPhone."
You can argue night is day and day is night, what's white is black and what's black is white, until the end of time, but that won't make your arguments ever be true.
Yes, the nice Apple police helps you put your shoes on before you go outside.
Apple cop swears s/he won't look inside the rest of your house, while sitting in the hallway.
Why can't they wait outside my property like the Google cops?
With your logic, anything to do with iCloud doesn't stay on your phone. If everything "stayed on your iPhone" then you wouldn't have an internet connection at all. It would be an iPod.
So yeah, Apple has the right to check for illegal images that are being uploaded to iCloud. If you don't upload anything, it stays on your iPhone. The vouchers are upload along with the photo that you're uploading. You gave the iPhone permission to upload your data.
And my primary criticism is validated. You can guarantee this will happen.
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Has there been a single credible security professional, organization, or group, or privacy group or organization, that's expressed support for Apple's plans?
No doubt the FBI loves it.... but you're asking for credible organizations, so no - none.
Apple already has systems in place to scan iCloud, and they have for years. Just like everyone else. This is a step much further in scanning devices.
True. I'm phasing out all of my Apple products.
Actually it’s completely relevant…to me NOT buying their products.
If it weren't for my Apple Watch, I would think about getting a Pixel as my next phone. There's more to leaning towards leaving the ecosystem than this whole CSAM thing. It's the unreliability of CarPlay, it's I miss a podcast app that was Android only, and while I do have an Apple TV and a Mac, it would be pretty easy to adapt to Android and be in both ecosystems. However, the Watch is pretty much what is keeping me on the Iphone, and while it's a Series 4, it's a watch that still works.
I'm glad to see it looks like some people were already starting to think about moving away from OSX, and this has brought that consideration back to the front of their minds.
That's the situation I'm in. My laptop is 5 years old now and a new purchase isn't too far away. The new architecture sounded intriguing, but I really hate the Big Sur interface changes. Aesthetically it just looks like ****, basically. Plus it's gotten pretty damned offensive with the level of lock-down and opaqueness in communication with Apple servers. And considering the current topic, this trend is only going to accelerate.
It's looking almost certain that sometime in 2022 or maybe even before that, I'll be getting a System76 laptop.
The good news for me is that I'm not an "ecosystem" guy. I don't give a damn about the phones at all, and rarely use mine for anything except old fashioned voice calls. I get my wife's hand-me-downs because that's how much I just don't care. The watch... never even considered it.
I guess you missed Apple CEO Tim Cook's open letter on Apple's (alleged) dedication to privacy. Here ya go: https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...-privacy-policies-in-open-letter-to-customers
I guess you likewise missed this, too:
Nowhere in that billboard do they say that privacy is the most important thing. They only talk about information flow.
Nowhere in the letter from Tim Cook does he write that privacy is the most important thing to Apple.
"At Apple, your trust means everything to us." -Tim Cook
It could be construed to mean Apple believes trust is the most important thing to them, but trust isn't privacy.
"Security and privacy are fundamental to the design of all our hardware, software, and services [...]"
Fundamental != most important.
"Our commitment to protecting your privacy comes from a deep respect for our customers."
They have commitments to protecting privacy, they have respect for customers. Nothing here that privacy is the most important thing.
I am aware, but putting similar code which only forms part of the system isn't the same as putting the feature into iOS.
But for those who refuse to use devices which have this kind of code installed on it, having it installed in iOS 14.x creates a huge problem for them.
Why are you parsing like a shady lawyer? You're going to stick with Apple, and some others aren't. It's getting pretty pedantic with this "committed to protecting privacy" vs "privacy is the most important thing."
I am some others have decided that privacy isn't as important to Apple as it is to us.
100%. Gotta do what’s right for you. I believe the majority of the potential hundreds of millions won’t care…but we all gotta do what makes us happy.
I am in the ecosystem, but at the end of the day do I really care? I thought about it and for my usage it's not really a big deal. Sure, my text messages sync to my iPad but I NEVER text on my iPad anyway because it's easier to just grab my phone and respond there instead of trying to type on a big ipad. Sure, my photos sync to my MacBook Pro but I never send pics on my Macbook. I usually just do it from my phone. My phone gets most of my usage out of all the Apple products I own.
Everyone is different of course, but for me, the ecosystem is kind of overrated and not needed. I'm probably more of a casual user for these products than the more hardcore folks on this forum.
My current MacBook Pro is 4 years old and it has the crappy keyboard. So I'm researching what to buy next. It won't be another MacBook. I've had too many issues with them with my current and last Macbook.
Let's say Elizabeth Hurley, Emily Scott and Gemma Atkinson instead
Traci Lords was nasty. Still is.. wait, is she dead? I don't know. She was in "Zack and Miri make a porno" - it's all I know - I swear.- Status