Well for those that act like there is nothing that can be done. There are options other than completely leaving. I for one do not use Apple's ecosystem. One thing you can do is discontinue Apple services. OneDrive is an excellent alternative and it has applications for all Apple products. I have never used iCloud simple because when it debut is was extremely limited compared to OneDrive and DropBox, which is another alternative. In addition I use Amazon music, also available on all Apple products. You don't have to completely leave Apple to send a message. Now there is nothing, short of never updating that you can do about the intrusive software on your devices, but you can stop using the services that it supposedly it is using to flag items with.
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Will you leave the Apple ecosystem because of CSAM?
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I'm just gonna leave this here.
When I first started buying Apple products years ago I made the decision to not use their services so I wouldnt get stuck just in case I want to leave. For example, I don't use AppleMusic, I use Spofity.
I like Spofity, but I choose Amazon Music because 1, I get a discount from being a prime member, it only cost $8 a month. 2, I like to purchase a lot of music and Spofity doesn't have that ability.
am I bothered by it? No. It's more about Apple doing something they said they never would. Makes no difference how they do it, what encryption they use or whatever. It is the fact they are doing on-device scanning, intentionally looking for something. Not about CP, don't have any, will never have any. But what is their next reason for scanning your device? There will be a next.
I am not naive, I have no reason to believe it is not happening on Windows/Android.
The only way to be absolutely sure that what happens on my device stays on my device is to never connect it to anything, i.e. the internet.
Am I leaving Apple because of it? No. Turning off iCloud? No. Just disappointed.
I use a Mac Mini, iPhone, Watch and iPad. But I also use Spotify, Onedrive, I have a PC and so on.
I will continue to use whatever devices work for me. I have no loyalty to any company.
I am not naive, I have no reason to believe it is not happening on Windows/Android.
The only way to be absolutely sure that what happens on my device stays on my device is to never connect it to anything, i.e. the internet.
Am I leaving Apple because of it? No. Turning off iCloud? No. Just disappointed.
I use a Mac Mini, iPhone, Watch and iPad. But I also use Spotify, Onedrive, I have a PC and so on.
I will continue to use whatever devices work for me. I have no loyalty to any company.
No, it isn't. Trust in Apple is the point.
Many people, like myself, went with the Apple ecosystem because we felt we could trust Apple. Consider: Up until recently I trusted Apple with an astonishing amount of highly-personal information. Now, with this move, Apple has, in my mind, called into question their judgement. If I can't trust their judgement, can I trust their motives?
The later is the direction I'm leaning and the direction I've begun to take.
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Well, you could be right, but so far there is no evidence that either Microsoft or Google are putting scanning software on the devices themselves. I use OneDrive and of course I have nothing to hide, but I still can't help but wonder about Apple playing the "privacy" card, and then just blowing it all in one shot.
As I’ve said previously one should always do what’s best for them. The point I was getting to is, if one doesn’t trust google or Microsoft or Samsung or etc what is one to do?
CES 2019 - Vegas.
”What happens On your iphone, stays on your iPhone.”
Big ol’ billboard. Actually it was the side of a tall building.
Update: Here is the AI article on it. https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...near-las-vegas-convention-center-ahead-of-ces
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This. Anyone who thinks the situation is any better on any other platform is fooling themself. If the backdoors aren’t baked into the software, they’re probably baked into the hardware instead—especially since most of it is made in China. Remember this story from just a few years ago?
Does Your Motherboard Have a Secret Chinese Spy Chip?
A Bloomberg news story claiming that China has been secretly planting a spy chip in server motherboards used by US companies has prompted a rush by security researchers to try and find it, amid denials from the companies affected.
The truly safest thing you can do is party like it’s 1999 and practice safe surfing. Don’t use cloud services, and don’t use social media. The internet isn’t the humble little place it once was.
This argument of "Everyone does it" does not absolve Apple, who claimed to be better than everyone else. They built their entire campaign around that notion. There are many Apple faithful that trusted Apple based on that idea. I didn't, but that is beside the point. And again, the decision to use Cloud services and social media is up to the individual. Now Apple is say, there is no choice in what they are doing, except not to use their products at all. They are counting on people being too locked in to leave... Only time will tell if they are right.This. Anyone who thinks the situation is any better on any other platform is fooling themself. If the backdoors aren’t baked into the software, they’re probably baked into the hardware instead—especially since most of it is made in China. Remember this story from just a few years ago?
Does Your Motherboard Have a Secret Chinese Spy Chip?
A Bloomberg news story claiming that China has been secretly planting a spy chip in server motherboards used by US companies has prompted a rush by security researchers to try and find it, amid denials from the companies affected.www.pcmag.com
The truly safest thing you can do is party like it’s 1999 and practice safe surfing. Don’t use cloud services, and don’t use social media. The internet isn’t the humble little place it once was.
I’m not absolving Apple of anything. I’m talking about the people that are switching away to different platforms that think that’s going to solve their problems.
That article was complete BS, and we don’t have actual proof that any other company is literally doing this on the device….so….This. Anyone who thinks the situation is any better on any other platform is fooling themself. If the backdoors aren’t baked into the software, they’re probably baked into the hardware instead—especially since most of it is made in China. Remember this story from just a few years ago?
Does Your Motherboard Have a Secret Chinese Spy Chip?
A Bloomberg news story claiming that China has been secretly planting a spy chip in server motherboards used by US companies has prompted a rush by security researchers to try and find it, amid denials from the companies affected.
The truly safest thing you can do is party like it’s 1999 and practice safe surfing. Don’t use cloud services, and don’t use social media. The internet isn’t the humble little place it once was.
Sure you are. You're essentially arguing the other guys are doing Evil Things, so why is it such a big deal that Apple is?
It'll solve the problem of running a device with Apple's spyware installed on it.
It's not that I needed any further convincing, but the more weak arguments I read here in defence of Apple's plans, the more convinced I am too walk away, if not run, from the Apple ecosystem.
(Still waiting to see anybody but Apple and Apple cheerleaders defend Apple's plans.)
As far as I know and could find out, no other platform has client side scanning.
You don't really have to use any of them--or Apple.
Laugh all you want, but, since my Apple Watch has been sitting in a drawer, turned off, for the last <looks...> fifteen days or so (?), and my life apparently didn't come to an end (!), I'll soon be shopping for a more traditional watch. Three weeks ago I'd never imagined I'd ever wear a traditional wrist watch again. So it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility a newer version of something like that is in my future for a phone, as well.
Yup, a few months ago I got tired of always being connected. So I bought a traditional watch and now I only use my Apple Watch when I’m at the gym. And life didn’t end. I don’t even miss the Apple Watch much. When it dies or it’s time to replace I’ll probably get a Garmin like I’ve had in the past.
Don’t understand why people are getting worked up about this, if you’re that worried, don’t use iCloud photos, watch every other company copy apple with this, if you’re really concerned about privacy, get rid of your bank cards, all the tech you own and live off the grid.
Can’t wait for the iPhone 13 event. 😍
You don't know that it won't. You like many others keep trying to imply that what Apple is doing (planting spyware on the devices themselves) is what everyone is doing. The evidence does not support that. If that were the case in all this firestorm, it would have become known by now. For example, when the issue of Apple's app store policies came up, soon articles appeared pointing out Google's policies were similar. All the reports that have surface from various security experts weighing in have made it clear that Apple is crossing a different line.
Yes, that is why I wanted information on your trial. For myself I will stick with the $30 options at this point. I too like traditional watches and I have some very nice ones.
I am not a betting person, but I am pretty sure no other company is going to try this after this "sand storm".
Guess we’ll find out soon, all the people that aren’t happy, all they have to do is turn off iCloud photos and nothing changes.
I still hope they abandon it and move to server side inspections if they insist on doing them. Imagine a company being that much image concerned suddenly facing some user revolt like this? About some of their claimed core competences, privacy.
At least they are aware now how fundamentally some people oppose it. Can't imagine apple will go ahead with this.
At least they are aware now how fundamentally some people oppose it. Can't imagine apple will go ahead with this.
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