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Will you leave the Apple ecosystem because of CSAM?
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Sell your Apple stuff. I am/have. Already switched to a Surface Pro, Pixel 5a...
HP Laptop running Linux, Samsung Galaxy S20 FE 5G, Galaxy Watch 3, Galaxy Buds Live, plenty of Android tablets both old and new. I prepared early as I saw the writing on the wall early on (Apple has made many past decisions I haven't agreed with.)
Yeah, I was sure late to this party. My IT buddies are making fun of me. Thank you Tim Apple.
Better late than never. Look at the number of posters with blinders on who will defend Apple to their last breath.
I always have backups for each scenario. I even have some rather old Android phones around just in case they make us run a vaccine cert app later on (it's coming, unfortuantely) so I won't reveal if I'm vaccinated or not, they will be handed my Samsung Galaxy S Relay slider and when they can't find the app, to prove or disprove they can't refuse me at the door. We're headed for a scary future. Always have a backup, a workaround, heck, even a generator.
Part of this dates back to the 2009 Ice Storm we had. We lost power for MONTHS, and it was utter chaos. You really saw the worst in people then. Since that mess, I learned never be caught off guard.
I hate to be saying this, but it starts looking more and more like some of those tinfoil hat guys might have been on to something after all.
Part of this dates back to the 2009 Ice Storm we had. We lost power for MONTHS, and it was utter chaos. You really saw the worst in people then. Since that mess, I learned never be caught off guard.
I hate to be saying this, but it starts looking more and more like some of those tinfoil hat guys might have been on to something after all.
As an aside, my airpods work great with my Pixel 5a. The only issue is I can't check battery level or google assistant. I also have Galaxy Buds Live (the bean looking open ear ones) and I like the airpods slightly more.
They're at least on-par with AirPods Pro sound wise, they have a wireless charging case, and last at least 5 hours on a charge (the airbuds, not the case--it can go 21 hours of charging; 5 hours is as long as I've listened to them and haven't heard any low battery alert yet. They also have voice command and tap gestures (the voice command can either be Bixby, Google Assistant hears you as well if you prefer that, even other assistants work)
the Buds Live work better in my ears, don't fall out or trip the ear detection as much as my Pros did.
for a few more $$$ you can get the Buds Pro, but in the list of features I can't see what's different/better than the Live as all the same features are there, but they just look different and are $199 vs. $169
Like many have already expressed, I do not appreciate Apple (or any other company) going through my personal stuff. I think that this planned scanning that promises to protect children is a false claim and only an excuse for mass surveillance. Luckily I can get by without the newest tech (just writing this with a 2005 PowerBook G4 running Linux). I really liked Apple from let's say the last 5-20 years and I do have many Apple devices (almost every one of them now considered vintage by Apple). The newest Mac I have is from 2012 (Macbook Pro 13") and the newest iDevice I have is from 2017 (iPhone SE). In the last few years I really couldn't convince myself to buy anything newer from them due to their shady practices (mainly anti-repair measures and now the rolling out of spyware). I love Mac OS X but I also do not like the direction it is going (I consider Mojave to be the last great MacOS). Thankfully there is Linux which of course has a learning curve but once you got the hang of it, it really is a great substitute for MacOS. As for my next phone I'm really uncertain with what I should replace the iPhone with as of now but I hope I can still use my SE productively for the foreseeable future. I really think the pinnacle of Apple is in the past (of course it is still a massive successfully tech giant but that is because the average joe does not care about repair and privacy unfortunately).
Yes. Indeed, one thing I like about Linux is that it reminds me of what the 1980s computer world was like--a world that allowed tinkering and encouraged exploration--that otherwise is pretty much long gone.
I have that feeling, too...
Does anyone else remember when Steve Jobs and crew flew that pirate flag, and encouraged folks to open up and hack their Apple II's? He even made sure it looked beautiful inside for that reason too!
What happened to that Apple? The one with the rainbow logo that feels more relevant today than in the 80s?
Where's NeXT when we need it now? I guess Linux. We need a Linux logo that resembles the NeXT one
What happened to that Apple? The one with the rainbow logo that feels more relevant today than in the 80s?
Where's NeXT when we need it now? I guess Linux. We need a Linux logo that resembles the NeXT one
The anti-repair issues are something else I don't like... Indeed, I remember my initial enthusiasm for the M1 Macs being considerably dampened within hours by seeing a Louis Rossmann video talking about the anti-repair issues of Apple!
There is a learning curve--but it's not really that terrible, at least as long as one is dealing with a user friendly distro. I did my first experiments about 2004, and found that the learning curve was no worse than the learning curve with Windows.
Edit: corrected name spelling error.
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I agree with you. The learning curve isn't overwhelmingly steep but if you come from aWindows environment only it can be quite different. Right now I only do Linux here and there (since MacOS does fit my needs for now) and I have to admit that Linux isn't that different from MacOS if you don't look too closely. You can choose a distro that resembles the look and feel of MacOS and the fact that both operating systems are UNIX based does make the other system seem kind of familiar (e.g. directory structure, similar commands in Terminal, etc.). Also we have to remember that popular Linux distros are pretty much plug and play nowadays and driver issues are nowhere near a problem they were maybe 10 years ago.
I honestly wanted to buy a new MacBook a few years ago but I don't want soldered storage and memory. Let's be honest those components do go bad and not seldom (looking at my 2008 MacBook Air in the drawer that has bad memory as I'm writing this). I mean I still can use a PowerBook G4 in 2021 and those devices are at least 15 years old. I know they are very slow by today standards and obsolete for many modern tasks but they can easily be fixed and used as a backup or hobby computer for example My PowerBook G4 I'm currently writing this from had a bad hard drive and I could easily swap the broken part out and put a new one in. Now if I have a M1 MacBook for example and the SSD goes bad I can basically trash the entire machine (or boot from an external device for the rest of the lifespan of that MacBook which can't be as the inventor intended).
I just hope that other brands do not follow these trends. I don't want to be sentimental but I really miss the old Apple where they even presented user upgradeable memory in their keynotes as a feature and reassured that they respect user privacy. I probably will always like the old Apple and feel enthusiastic about it but the Apple of 2021 isn't very enticing for me anymore.
Being familiar with CP/M and DOS back when made it easier to adjust to the terminal in Linux (I also used to work at a medical office that had a 286 Dell with a database system running on SCO UNIX) the only differences I had to adjust to was 'DIR' is 'ls' and '\' is '/' and so on. minor really. I tend to still use the terminal to install things since it's faster than launching whatever a distro calls an 'app store'.
If enough people stop buying, they will. Unfortunately too many stupid people exist who will keep this going.
Though anyone who avoids Apple and buying a new phone they don't even need every year or two will be beneficial to the planet.
Though anyone who avoids Apple and buying a new phone they don't even need every year or two will be beneficial to the planet.
All it really took was one approach to try and hinder child pornography. Now everyone has their pitchforks out - it looks to me that it's all about having wanted to move on to a different platform and as soon as something like CSAM scanning comes along the whole house of cards fall. Because "it's my right as a private individual. *puts the pacifier back in*"
So what is the real cause of this exodus? All the stories about developers getting paid too little by charging for their overpriced apps via subscriptions like Hey! Fantastical. 1Password etc?
Can it really only be CSAM scanning?
Sorry if I come across extremely naïve - I just don't have the mental capacity to understand this rage. How can each one of you go about in the open world and when recognised go "Hey apeface.. leave me alone... also call me tonight, maybe we can schedule a meeting tomorrow and have a bite to eat and talk about the good old days"
Also,, let me say that of course I recognise that it only takes a little thing for the house of cards to fall. The jews killing off that fellow; Jesus - started a whole crucifixion thing -before he killed mind you. crucifying after Jesus was dead sort of led to some terrible movies about that man. If he even was a man?!
So of course it's possible that only one thing causes this war cry.
So what is the real cause of this exodus? All the stories about developers getting paid too little by charging for their overpriced apps via subscriptions like Hey! Fantastical. 1Password etc?
Can it really only be CSAM scanning?
Sorry if I come across extremely naïve - I just don't have the mental capacity to understand this rage. How can each one of you go about in the open world and when recognised go "Hey apeface.. leave me alone... also call me tonight, maybe we can schedule a meeting tomorrow and have a bite to eat and talk about the good old days"
Also,, let me say that of course I recognise that it only takes a little thing for the house of cards to fall. The jews killing off that fellow; Jesus - started a whole crucifixion thing -before he killed mind you. crucifying after Jesus was dead sort of led to some terrible movies about that man. If he even was a man?!
So of course it's possible that only one thing causes this war cry.
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If you post your pictures on facebook or other social media sites for your Apple devices, you shouldn't be complaining about CSAM. Even if I had iCloud sync on for photos, I wouldn't be worried about as I only take pics of landscapes, place I go on vacation, or family events.
Anyways, I'm almost out of apple ecosystems already as I want to make able to access my photos, notes, emails, etc on all my devices like my Galaxy Tab S7 tablet, Windows PCs, or my iPhone.
Anyways, I'm almost out of apple ecosystems already as I want to make able to access my photos, notes, emails, etc on all my devices like my Galaxy Tab S7 tablet, Windows PCs, or my iPhone.
Most of what he talked about is just a standard privacy agreement. Of course Apple needs to know your banking information if you’re using Apple Pay. Yes if you don’t want to share your banking information with Apple then Apple Pay won’t work duh 🤦♂️
Of course they are allowed to share your information with their lawyers that’s in case you become a legal threat to them. If they didn’t you could sue them and they couldn’t even give their lawyers your information. They’re not sending their lawyers the entire Apple iCloud list. This guy could make a video about any privacy agreement and say exactly what he said. By the way Apple owns Shazam.
That's the thing. We don't care that it won't change anything. We really don't. I am happy they gave me a reason to leave. Many of us in this very thread have said that even if they said they would undo it all it wouldn't matter. Trust is broken.
We are not trying to change Apple. We are just making it so Apple can't change us.
Man, that sounds pretentious.
Look at it this way. Who are all the people talking about how bad an idea this is. Most, if not all, security and IT experts. So, yes, if you want to say you are naive, I am not going to disagree. It is up to you if you stay that way.
To an extent, I agree. On the other hand, facebook doesn't get to install spyware on my literal phone.
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