So you're getting worked up over something that at this point (and probably the foreseeable future) is in your imagination? Got it. Just wanted to be sure I understood.
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Will you leave the Apple ecosystem because of CSAM?
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By what method would those pictures trigger a false positive? Do you understand how this works? This statement indicates that you do not.
At this time Apple says it will occur on your device each time you go to upload an object to iCloud Photo.
There is a Messenger check if you are on a Child Account.
There is another Siri / Search check.
Check the person's post count. I bet he/she's a troll.
i may be the last to find this out (maybe because i have always thought apple had my back and never bothered to check … silly me) but apparently you can download a lot of the stuff apple knows about you, ala google takeout, at privacy.apple.com
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I had breachguard (Avast) do that for me. I was quite surprised how many third-parties my main email address was sold to. No wonder I was getting spammed to death with emails and phone calls.
Google does one thing better though--they let you actually delete all that data from their end.
Google does one thing better though--they let you actually delete all that data from their end.
thought seriously about deleting my account (and then signing up again fresh) but of course i lose my movies and tv shows which amount to about $2K … i almost never watch old stuff so maybe i’ll still do it one day
yeah, i have used google takeout, i am beginning to think that google is the better choice privacy wise because as you say they will delete stuff, not to mention you have some control over what they track and most importantly you know going in that they want your data, unlike apple who is now speaking out of both sides of their mouth
i meant the data, not the actual account. I leave all the 'activity' settings switched off. Nothing I do with my Google account (which pretty much runs offline on my phone, thanks to Netguard) phones home to them anymore. My movies, shows, music purchased, etc remains also on my phone or available through the YouTube app on my Fire Stick.
On your Google account, you can delete any activity and other data (such as web, search, app, location history, etc) they have gained about you (and likely sell or sold) and make sure they don't save any more. It gimps the Google Assistant a bit (but if you use the smart home part it works fine) but your purchases remain intact.
You can also set an auto delete time for any data. All Avast BreachGuard did was look at my email, name, phone number, etc and had over a hundred records from third parties that the data was sold to. It basically removed that data, I got tons of emails from anyone like magazine subscriptions I never asked for to ads in the mail. After the 48 hours it took to remove it, I never get a single one anymore. Ironically, my Apple ID didn't have anything on it that they could see, but that was before they went and opened Pandora's box. I had my iPhone deactivated since May. My Apple TVs just got switched off a few weeks ago once my Fire Sticks got their second wind (had to rework my Wifi to make them connect properly)
On my phone I got plenty of third party apps running to kill the internet to Google anything, and even some background Samsung services. I use Bixby instead of Assistant. Got another voice assistant (Robin) as an alternative to the Google Assistant. Most apps I run anyway are quite old and are sideloaded in place of the so-called 'modern' (flat UI garbage) apps. Only built-ins I care about are Samsung Health, Messages, Bixby, Internet, Email, Galaxy Wearable, Spotify. Everything else is either disabled, gimped from accessing the internet, uninstalled, or replaced with an old Android 2.3 counterpart.
On your Google account, you can delete any activity and other data (such as web, search, app, location history, etc) they have gained about you (and likely sell or sold) and make sure they don't save any more. It gimps the Google Assistant a bit (but if you use the smart home part it works fine) but your purchases remain intact.
You can also set an auto delete time for any data. All Avast BreachGuard did was look at my email, name, phone number, etc and had over a hundred records from third parties that the data was sold to. It basically removed that data, I got tons of emails from anyone like magazine subscriptions I never asked for to ads in the mail. After the 48 hours it took to remove it, I never get a single one anymore. Ironically, my Apple ID didn't have anything on it that they could see, but that was before they went and opened Pandora's box. I had my iPhone deactivated since May. My Apple TVs just got switched off a few weeks ago once my Fire Sticks got their second wind (had to rework my Wifi to make them connect properly)
On my phone I got plenty of third party apps running to kill the internet to Google anything, and even some background Samsung services. I use Bixby instead of Assistant. Got another voice assistant (Robin) as an alternative to the Google Assistant. Most apps I run anyway are quite old and are sideloaded in place of the so-called 'modern' (flat UI garbage) apps. Only built-ins I care about are Samsung Health, Messages, Bixby, Internet, Email, Galaxy Wearable, Spotify. Everything else is either disabled, gimped from accessing the internet, uninstalled, or replaced with an old Android 2.3 counterpart.
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when i talked about deleting my account i was actually referring to my apple account
sounds to me like you have a smart setup
i am going to turn off as much as i can where i can and basically use google apple and microsoft and spread my data around giving as little to each provider as possible
i have tried linux and even the “simple” distros are no fun for me
also, maybe most important i am asking myself how much internet data do i really need ?
i have gallons of it and i find i only go back and look at about 2% i don’t even watch my apple movies and tv shows that i bought
Try using DuckDuckGo if possible. If you must use Google, disable javascript. their ability to track is severely gimped by not having javascript available. In fact, you often just get 'old google circa 2010'
The Apple TV app exists on the Fire TV Stick, which runs a Google-free, fork of Android 5.0.1, Lollipop (titled Fire OS 5.6.2.0 on my ~ 2016 model) The app can access all your shows/movies (some of which I can't get elsewhere) and it can't force any updates on you, or tell you do do anything you don't want to. You don't even get that little 'two men shaking hands' privacy giveaway prompt to use it like on actual Apple hardware.
Since all I used my MBP for was browsing the web, YouTube/BitChute, playing music and occasionally accessing email, Linux was an easy one for me. My gaming rig also runs Linux and all my games work fine although most required a lot of terminal jargon to make work.(for one, Proton wouldn't support Fallout 4, and when I got it running, I had no sound). Android is based on Linux and easy to de-Google if you know how it works. Don't need root, either. I no longer get ads, those annoying 'this site uses cookies' crap, and I can make websites look just the way I want to based on what extensions I get. I can also disable Firefox's incessant update nags/auto installs which I never could fully eliminate on macOS or Windows.
The Apple TV app exists on the Fire TV Stick, which runs a Google-free, fork of Android 5.0.1, Lollipop (titled Fire OS 5.6.2.0 on my ~ 2016 model) The app can access all your shows/movies (some of which I can't get elsewhere) and it can't force any updates on you, or tell you do do anything you don't want to. You don't even get that little 'two men shaking hands' privacy giveaway prompt to use it like on actual Apple hardware.
Since all I used my MBP for was browsing the web, YouTube/BitChute, playing music and occasionally accessing email, Linux was an easy one for me. My gaming rig also runs Linux and all my games work fine although most required a lot of terminal jargon to make work.(for one, Proton wouldn't support Fallout 4, and when I got it running, I had no sound). Android is based on Linux and easy to de-Google if you know how it works. Don't need root, either. I no longer get ads, those annoying 'this site uses cookies' crap, and I can make websites look just the way I want to based on what extensions I get. I can also disable Firefox's incessant update nags/auto installs which I never could fully eliminate on macOS or Windows.
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Imagination? Not happening in the forseeable future?
Sure, it's all just paranoia, right? Meanwhile, back in the real world:
Users Behaving Badly – the Online Harms White Paper
Last Monday, having spent the best part of a day reading the UK government's Online Harms White Paper , I concluded that if the road to he...
Democratic countries (in this instance the UK) are now drafting bills that grant them sweeping powers to monitor and remove content from the internet that causes users "harm", an undefined term that includes the usual mention of CSAM but also explicitly includes content that is legal but may cause "harm" to people (again, they fail to provide a definition of "harm"). Here's one of their broad definitions of harm:
“threatens our way of life in the UK, either by undermining national security, or by reducing trust and undermining our shared rights, responsibilities and opportunities to foster integration.”
Here's another laughable definition included in the draft:
“encouraging us to make decisions that could damage our health, undermining our respect and tolerance for each other and confusing our understanding of what is happening in the wider world.”
This could include content that questions the status quo because the status quo is what the people running the country define as "our shared rights," an alias terminology for their right to exploit people. Someone leaks information about government wrongdoing? Well we better remove it because it "undermines national security" and causes "public distrust." Independent journalists refuting establishment propaganda talking points about global politics? Oh sorry, that "confuses people's understanding of what's happening in the wider world" therefore we're removing it. The US and UK government have a history of harassing, arresting, and assassinating activists/journalists that threaten their corporate handlers.
Why is it unforeseeable to you that they're moving toward increasingly invasive surveillance all in the name of 'public health'? It seems like those of us that are worried about our digital rights have more of a leg to stand on than those that think there's no threat.
Other bills being discussed here in the US include mandatory content scanning on E2EE chat apps for "extremist material" (what does that even mean), sounds really similar to what Apple just created. Reminder that a college student's Google account got deactivated recently because they were uploading videos of human rights violations in Palestine that got flagged as "terrorist material."
Speaking of which, I once had a post removed from Facebook (back in 2013, a vegan recipe I shared) because a group of meat eaters took issue with it and reported it as 'propaganda'. That's where we're headed. Anything, no matter how innocous it is, will be 'offensive' to someone, somewhere. That's how stupid 'hate speech' laws come about.Imagination? Not happening in the forseeable future?
Sure, it's all just paranoia, right? Meanwhile, back in the real world:
Users Behaving Badly – the Online Harms White Paper
Last Monday, having spent the best part of a day reading the UK government's Online Harms White Paper , I concluded that if the road to he...www.cyberleagle.com
Democratic countries (in this instance the UK) are now drafting bills that grant them sweeping powers to monitor and remove content from the internet that causes users "harm", an undefined term that includes the usual mention of CSAM but also explicitly includes content that is legal but may cause "harm" to people (again, they fail to provide a definition of "harm"). Here's one of their broad definitions of harm:
“threatens our way of life in the UK, either by undermining national security, or by reducing trust and undermining our shared rights, responsibilities and opportunities to foster integration.”
Here's another laughable definition included in the draft:
“encouraging us to make decisions that could damage our health, undermining our respect and tolerance for each other and confusing our understanding of what is happening in the wider world.”
This could include content that questions the status quo because the status quo is what the people running the country define as "our shared rights," an alias terminology for their right to exploit people. Someone leaks information about government wrongdoing? Well we better remove it because it "undermines national security" and causes "public distrust." Independent journalists refuting establishment propaganda talking points about global politics? Oh sorry, that "confuses people's understanding of what's happening in the wider world" therefore we're removing it. The US and UK government have a history of harassing, arresting, and assassinating activists/journalists that threaten their corporate handlers.
Why is it unforeseeable to you that they're moving toward increasingly invasive surveillance all in the name of 'public health'? It seems like those of us that are worried about our digital rights have more of a leg to stand on than those that think there's no threat.
Other bills being discussed here in the US include mandatory content scanning on E2EE chat apps for "extremist material" (what does that even mean), sounds really similar to what Apple just created. Reminder that a college student's Google account got deactivated recently because they were uploading videos of human rights violations in Palestine that got flagged as "terrorist material."
You're making stuff up. Next you'll tell us that Siri is listening to everything we say.
That's one reason I never fly. I don't want to be strip-searched to go on vacation. I'll gladly drive several hours or days just to avoid that.
While the analogy may be true now, a big and credible fear is that down the line the photo checking happens entirely on-device, even without iCloud. At that point, there is no escaping the scanner with anything less than not taking or saving any photos with the iPhone, or not using the device at all.
The unique problem with iCloud is that there is no "what you choose to upload". When you turn on iCloud Photos, EVERYTHING in Photos goes to iCloud. And for many Apple users that blindly accept all of the out-of-box options (you know, the big blue buttons instead of the little text below them), ALL data on the iPhone goes to iCloud, with everything except Keychain, Health, and a few others in a format that is readable by Apple (encrypted in transit and on-server, but readable by Apple).
Here is a breakdown of what Apple claims for encryption, including a separate list below the table for items E2E encrypted (not readable by Apple):
iCloud data security overview - Apple Support
iCloud uses strong security methods, employs strict policies to protect your information, and leads the industry in using privacy-preserving security technologies like end-to-end encryption for your data.
It does. How do you think "Hey, Siri" works? It constantly has to listen for something that sounds like those two words in that order to receive a request. That part is on-device because it's impractical to try and do that server-side (massive hits on data usage and battery life, not to mention how it handles having no internet access). It's insane the number of conversations that were sent to Apple's servers because my watch thought I was talking to it. Siri on the S chips is the worst.
I returned my first HomePod in 2019 because the microphones were scary powerful. I could whisper from the other side of the house and it could hear and understand me.
I am just sick to death of this stupid argument. Multinational corporations have far more power than the US government now, and with the amount of money they have used to own politicians they practically control the US government. In fact, the government engages in open collusion with tech companies to get around laws forbidding them from doing whatever they want. All they have to do is farm it out to "private" companies.
It's a dishonest argument and more people need to reject it.
Making progress. I figured out ways to maintain control of my HomeKit gear without Apple, Amazon, or Google. The important things even have internet-based control outside the house, which allows for some drastic energy savings with my iCloud replacement. Hello, Belkin Wemo and TeamViewer.
iCloud storage has been dropped from 2 TB to 200 GB until I can figure out an elegant solution for family members. I've already rolled myself back to my Sandisk Ibi. Once I get them figured out, iCloud storage is dropping to 5 GB.
Apple Music is still undecided. I'm paid through next May, so I might keep using that for a while. Not sure yet, though Spotify does run on Linux. My relatively new pair of 2018 HomePods makes this tough. I could also go back to a sandboxed browser tab and listen to music from YouTube and skip having an account at all.
The iPhone 12 might be going away as I roll back to my iPhone X running 13.4.1. I'd rather have crap call quality than miserably short battery life (seriously, how does a phone lose 30% charge overnight with nothing running?). My MacBook is likely going to my friend to replace his old Air. The iPad Pro will likely be a Christmas present to replace another family member's iPad Pro 9.7. The increased storage should allow them to no longer need iCloud.
The Watch is being sold. Bought it on a whim and confirmed that I don't care to wear a watch. While I'd like to simply box up every Apple product I own and go to the store and try to sell it all back to Apple as a form of protest, I question the effectiveness of that (they'll turn around and sell them as refurb, whereas gifting the devices to family/friends makes Apple lose a few sales). I'll keep using the AirPods Pro until I no longer have a use for Bluetooth headphones (in a side-by-side comparison of iPhone 12 with APP and iPod nano with EarPods, the wired EarPods actually have a more natural sound from the open design while retaining the acoustics).
As for software, I actually have most of my contacts in Telegram now, so cross-platform communication is mostly there. My iCloud replacement is cross-platform and offline with the power physically cut when not in use, so there's a huge jump in security and usability. Also, it only uses a server to facilitate a connection, not for storage, so privacy is increased. Going forward, everything has to be cross-platform or platform-agnostic, and account-less where possible.
iCloud storage has been dropped from 2 TB to 200 GB until I can figure out an elegant solution for family members. I've already rolled myself back to my Sandisk Ibi. Once I get them figured out, iCloud storage is dropping to 5 GB.
Apple Music is still undecided. I'm paid through next May, so I might keep using that for a while. Not sure yet, though Spotify does run on Linux. My relatively new pair of 2018 HomePods makes this tough. I could also go back to a sandboxed browser tab and listen to music from YouTube and skip having an account at all.
The iPhone 12 might be going away as I roll back to my iPhone X running 13.4.1. I'd rather have crap call quality than miserably short battery life (seriously, how does a phone lose 30% charge overnight with nothing running?). My MacBook is likely going to my friend to replace his old Air. The iPad Pro will likely be a Christmas present to replace another family member's iPad Pro 9.7. The increased storage should allow them to no longer need iCloud.
The Watch is being sold. Bought it on a whim and confirmed that I don't care to wear a watch. While I'd like to simply box up every Apple product I own and go to the store and try to sell it all back to Apple as a form of protest, I question the effectiveness of that (they'll turn around and sell them as refurb, whereas gifting the devices to family/friends makes Apple lose a few sales). I'll keep using the AirPods Pro until I no longer have a use for Bluetooth headphones (in a side-by-side comparison of iPhone 12 with APP and iPod nano with EarPods, the wired EarPods actually have a more natural sound from the open design while retaining the acoustics).
As for software, I actually have most of my contacts in Telegram now, so cross-platform communication is mostly there. My iCloud replacement is cross-platform and offline with the power physically cut when not in use, so there's a huge jump in security and usability. Also, it only uses a server to facilitate a connection, not for storage, so privacy is increased. Going forward, everything has to be cross-platform or platform-agnostic, and account-less where possible.
Nothing.
This is just snarky urbanites showing how much they hate anyone who doesn't put their career ahead of family and wait until they're 40 to have kids.
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Well, they could make a video, share it, and it would be considered CSM in jurisdictions outside of where they live. It'd be legal for them to make and publish the video, but illegal for others to watch it, and any that do could be in a heap of trouble.
As for me, if someone can escape the rat race while not being a drain on the system or take advantage of others, more power to them.
I went on Privacy.Apple.Com and did the big request for what data Apple has on me.
HOLY MOUNTAINOUS MOLEHILLS BATMAN!!!!
Apple has more info on me than Google!
I’ve been doing Apple for quite a while and have been doing Android / Chrome for just as long.
This coming week I am going to see what Apple will allow me to “remove” from this ginormous dumpster.
HOLY MOUNTAINOUS MOLEHILLS BATMAN!!!!
Apple has more info on me than Google!
I’ve been doing Apple for quite a while and have been doing Android / Chrome for just as long.
This coming week I am going to see what Apple will allow me to “remove” from this ginormous dumpster.
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