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Will you leave the Apple ecosystem because of CSAM?
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You're back! I missed you. Remember the one is a Trillion is a made-up number. There are no actual facts behind it.
I don't know, once I realized they were just pulling a number out of their ***, I stopped paying attention. Jayson is the one to ask for details on the quote.
Any pervert who is stupid enough to pass around CSAM on an icloud account has probably already been caught.
Not if Facebooks numbers are accurate.
Looks like there are plenty of idiots to go ‘round.
In the very least, it would, in the event that Apple does eventually offer encrypted iCloud storage, allow them to confidently tell law enforcement that there should be no / minimal instances of child pornography residing on their servers, because these images would have been vetted prior to being uploaded and because any would-be offender would presumably be smart enough not to upload them to iCloud to avoid detection.
There are other ways to load photos ex: via the web.
The more I look at this, the less sense this makes from a resource investment project.
I think data will show that the majority of iphone users still upload photos to iCloud directly via their iOS devices. Using the iCloud web interface feels extremely cumbersome, and Apple could always adjust their privacy policies in the future to also scan images uploaded this way.
While I agree I find it strange that Apple basically tells potential criminals on how to game their new system.
Apple is not going to offer encrypted iCloud storage. And even if they did, it would not make on device scanning acceptable. People need to stop "reaching" for this "encryption" argument.
I am not opposed to CSAM scanning, with or without encrypted iCloud.
It’s not different from laws being made common knowledge in a country. You cannot make a law so hidden that nobody knows it exists, then arrest them when they unknowingly break a law they didn’t know existed in the first place.
I am not opposed to CSAM on any public server. I am opposed to being spied on.
Agree. I think this is more about Apple trying to whitewash its image rather than a serious attempt to fight CSAM.
That's because it's a clumsy, opposite-of-subtle trojan horse into the realm of censoring wrongthink. It won't work on anyone willing to look past the current month, or even past the explicitly stated press-release language.
And yet it's done constantly against people who fall into any arbitrarily created category of dissident. It doesn't even have to be a crime anymore, but simply an opinion that you're suspected of holding.
Well let's put it this way - the authorities won't need to rely on intrusive device scanning to catch these people. They will continuously screw up in any number of ways. Anyone who does investigative work as a hobby could out these morons with minimal effort, to say nothing of the trillions in resources available to corporations and governments.Not if Facebooks numbers are accurate.
Looks like there are plenty of idiots to go ‘round.
Your last sentence I feel is out of context. Not a new law. Rather a new method of enforcement. When a new method of enforcement comes into play, it doesn’t come with an Appendix that tells you how to bypass or get around the law and an alternative method of committing the crime.
I am not focusing on the term “CSAM”. I am looking at the proposed solution.
At this time, I am firmly against “on my device”.
After learning about these new features (as best I can), more and more I am coming to the conclusion that this is either:
1. This is part of a bigger system Apple is designing and using “CSAM” as the excuse to kick it off
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2. All a big PR stunt by Apple in an effort to encourage folks to stay in the Apple Garden (away from FB and Android)
1. This is part of a bigger system Apple is designing and using “CSAM” as the excuse to kick it off
or
2. All a big PR stunt by Apple in an effort to encourage folks to stay in the Apple Garden (away from FB and Android)
Which is really funny when you think about it, as it has done for more to get us to leave the Apple Garden than encourage us to stay. But I agree with you that they thought it would do that.
It's both, considering the main reason why Apple hasn't gotten round to encrypting iCloud is reportedly because the FBI told them not to.
It's peace of mind, really. I used maybe 2 App Store apps anyway, so I'm not missing out on much. Texting can be done through SMS, so nothing missed there either. I also don't use FaceTime.
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I had Apple One Premier, yesterday I canceled it.
1. Arcade - I don't play games
2. Music - Spotify shows up on my BMW and I have full control without looking at it. Apple Music doesn't.
3. Apple TV+ - POS
4. Fitness + - I really liked it, but now I have a trainer due to my back injuries in an accident
5. Apple News - Great Product, but I don't have the time to read the magazines.
6. 2TB Icloud - I am keeping it, but I started a trial with Dropbox, if they continue this crap I will tell them to go pound sand, will reactivate my 3TB time machine and I will pay Dropbox.
It is really their choice, this is me saying I don't need someone snooping on my things. They just lost revenue yesterday.
1. Arcade - I don't play games
2. Music - Spotify shows up on my BMW and I have full control without looking at it. Apple Music doesn't.
3. Apple TV+ - POS
4. Fitness + - I really liked it, but now I have a trainer due to my back injuries in an accident
5. Apple News - Great Product, but I don't have the time to read the magazines.
6. 2TB Icloud - I am keeping it, but I started a trial with Dropbox, if they continue this crap I will tell them to go pound sand, will reactivate my 3TB time machine and I will pay Dropbox.
It is really their choice, this is me saying I don't need someone snooping on my things. They just lost revenue yesterday.
I'm deep in the Apple ecosystem.
I won't upgrade iPhones this year after owning every one since the 3GS.
Apple Silicon looks really nice but my 2018 MacBook Pro has many years in it still.
I've cancelled my iCloud One subscription with 2TB of storage and removed all my data from iCloud, including a fairly large Photos library.
I won't be buying any other new Apple products, either.
I will slowly extricate myself from Apple's ecosystem over the next few years unless Apple unequivocally drops CSAM scanning and, hopefully, the people responsible for it.
I won't upgrade iPhones this year after owning every one since the 3GS.
Apple Silicon looks really nice but my 2018 MacBook Pro has many years in it still.
I've cancelled my iCloud One subscription with 2TB of storage and removed all my data from iCloud, including a fairly large Photos library.
I won't be buying any other new Apple products, either.
I will slowly extricate myself from Apple's ecosystem over the next few years unless Apple unequivocally drops CSAM scanning and, hopefully, the people responsible for it.
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