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Will you leave the Apple ecosystem because of CSAM?


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You still miss the point; it isn’t about CSAM or It’s to protect the children. That is the excuse being leveraged By Apple.

If the worst case comes to pass, it will be too late and you apparently want to wait till it directly impacts you.

Your choice.
Best of luck.

Unfortunately, the average Joe thinks like the guy you quoted! They lack the critical thinking and foresight to envision the possibilities of simply accepting for the sake of convinience or blind brand loyalty!
 
Your logic is so massively flawed that at this point I'm sure your either TRYING to be obtuse or your mental walls are just thinner than Nicki Minaj.

This! …The guy (or whoever it is) is clearly (let me be politically correct for the ultra sensitive folks/mods) ‘special’ ;)
 
Although I am feeling a little elated that Apple appears to have gotten the message, it’s a little too early for a victory dance…. On the bright side this is kinda apples MO, they “sometimes” say they are delaying stuff and it just slowly dies on the vine without them having to admit they were wrong. on the dark side…. Over something so serious it was one of those things they should have very publicly apologized for and done a full reversal…. It’s kinda like they still don’t understand we encourage them to do more csam scanning…. Just not on our devices. Forbes says this in the article below but it’s kinda buried in the rehash.

so anyway… main point now is to see if the code gets removed from the iOs15 gold master and if it remains inactivated…let’s hope they have the sense to take it out or they continue to screw themselves

 
I wouldn't be surprised if they called it something different and enabled it anyway. You'd be surprised how people see something bad as something good by giving it as cutesy name, such as 'putting to sleep' vs. 'killed the dog'
It kind of would surprise me…. unless they still just don’t get it…..or unless the conspiracy theories hold water and this was a farce to just give the government a back door. What I would expect is the pause gives them time to develop an intermediate server that hashes the photos off device on the way to the iCloud servers…. That would satisfy owners with minimal changes to the work they have already done to implement this
 
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I wouldn't ignore the conspiracy theories entirely out. I mean sure, we all know the Earth ain't flat, but if you read the book 'The Great Reset' which was published sometime around 2010-14 (not sure of exact date) the entire covid narrative is playing, well, literally, 'by the book'. I wouldn't put anything past anyone at this point in time.
 
I wouldn't ignore the conspiracy theories entirely out. I mean sure, we all know the Earth ain't flat, but if you read the book 'The Great Reset' which was published sometime around 2010-14 (not sure of exact date) the entire covid narrative is playing, well, literally, 'by the book'. I wouldn't put anything past anyone at this point in time.
If you put a thousand monkeys at a typewriter indefinitely eventually one of them will type out war and peace.
 
No, Forbes. They didn’t give us a reason to upgrade, but they gave me a reason to hold off buying a Pixel with CalyxOS on it. Scrapping the idea altogether or at the very least, do what Dropbox does, might get me to keep my iPhone, but I never will use iCloud again regardless.
 
There is a fundamental difference between using Apple products and being an "Apple user".
Using Apples or any other technology requires understanding of the product and services on a fundamental and abstract level.
The transition of Apple from company for technologically educated users to "semi-pro" and "feeling cool and virtue signaling" crowd is now complete.
This is a defining moment for user privacy that will go away as always into the history as a win for governments and corporations and loss for the users.
From here now the crowd is divided with big red line. There is no more "middle ground".
On one side of the fence are users like me, who are creating tech products from long enough to know what is coming down on a global tech and political pipeline, and as a minimum are starting to demand more control over our data and devices by searching and building alternatives based on open source software and hardware.
Others are just tech users. They will buy and eat anything with enough social validated value and polished marketing that makes them feel special. They have "have nothing to hide" and are usually a target for the old proven "saving the children" mantra used by politicians to start wars on terror and commit atrocities all over the world. This is systematic problem, naive and uneducated masses always will be the selling point in a model based on Hegelian dialectic.
So after 20 years of using Apple products I finally reached a point in which not only I will not give a dime to this behemoth and evil corporation but I will not give a damn about any product made by them.
This future of corporate fascism is well planned by the real elites in Davos and they openly communicated it. I will not be a part of this.
There is no conspiracy, those who are thinking in this line are simply uninformed, which is normal because all the media outlets are working for the richest percent.
Read this book by Klaus Schwab : Covid 19: The great reset.

Educate yourselves for once, stop being sheep.

“The World Economic Forum, which organizes the annual conference Davos, has launched an initiative called, yes, ‘the Great Reset’. It has its own website.”​

Indeed it does.​

But, after noting the involvement of “partners” such as Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, IBM, IKEA, Lockheed Martin, Ericsson and Deloitte, Sixsmith doubts whether the Great Reset can be seen, as some like to suggest (even allowing for a bit of hype) as “socialist Left Marxist” or a “global communist takeover plan.”​



You don't own your iPhone. You rent it. And the freakin iPhone owns you.
Next Apple will "transform" cars, refrigerators, blenders, homes. For the betterment of society:)
 
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Klaus Schwab is the perfect Bond Supervillian. Just needs a fluffy cat to pet.

Obviously I don't entertain most conspiracy theories such as the Flat Earth Society or the 'faked moon landing' or the 'chemtrails to turn frogs gay' mess, but there are some that have played out over time. We have one playing out right now, but people seem to not even notice.
 
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The fact that Apple’s decision to run client-side monitoring prompted genuine questions over whether users should stick with the brand, shows just how fundamental an issue this quickly became.

This is a disaster for Apple—while hitting pause will be PR’d as listening to user feedback, the reality is that there are fundamental issues that can’t be resolved without a complete reversal of its plans. And worse for Apple, the company has now lined up behind its major rivals, following their own embarrassing reversals this year.
It's one thing when the security and privacy communities raise hell about something. And it's one thing when a bunch of dissatisfied customers are raising hell. But it's quite another thing when a business publication writes stuff like that--suggesting it's probably been a pretty serious misstep. Apple, and, perhaps more importantly, APPL investors, have to be reading that and cringing.
 
Klaus Schwab is the perfect Bond Supervillian. Just needs a fluffy cat to pet.

Obviously I don't entertain most conspiracy theories such as the Flat Earth Society or the 'faked moon landing' or the 'chemtrails to turn frogs gay' mess, but there are some that have played out over time. We have one playing out right now, but people seem to not even notice.
wisdom just from living so long has made me think although most conspiracy theories are false, some usually have some morsels of truth…. Enough to keep them going anyway….. did the clintons really kill all those people? Probably not, but they probably killed a couple 😂….. is Apple in cohorts with the government to install a back door? Probably not but you can count on the government licking their chops to exploit it. Anyway, moral of this story remains, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance , I hate when people do things that make me not trust them because that’s where all conspiracy theories are born
 
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It's one thing when the security and privacy communities raise hell about something. And it's one thing when a bunch of dissatisfied customers are raising hell. But it's quite another thing when a business publication writes stuff like that--suggesting it's probably been a pretty serious misstep. Apple, and, perhaps more importantly, APPL investors, have to be reading that and cringing.
Investors seem to have not paid much attention, Apple stock never did take a hit…. However I do think it would have… if 15% of people from this forum were saying they wouldn’t stay with Apple, that really might have been a pretty big hit…. I mean it at least gives you an idea of how many might have left since we are mostly Apple fans here
 
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I wouldn't ignore the conspiracy theories entirely out. I mean sure, we all know the Earth ain't flat, but if you read the book 'The Great Reset' which was published sometime around 2010-14 (not sure of exact date) the entire covid narrative is playing, well, literally, 'by the book'. I wouldn't put anything past anyone at this point in time.
The great reset is a conspiracy, but it's not a theory. It's playing out right before our eyes.
 
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He's referencing the Infinite Monkey Theorem:


And it was the complete works of Shakespeare, not War and Peace.

This bit might have been the relevant piece for this discussion, however:

The theorem can be generalized to state that any sequence of events which has a non-zero probability of happening, at least as long as it hasn't occurred, will almost certainly eventually occur.
 
He's referencing the Infinite Monkey Theorem:


And it was the complete works of Shakespeare, not War and Peace.

This bit might have been the relevant piece for this discussion, however:
Which is a theorem I refuse to take seriously. It reminds me of the invisible cat in the chair argument. Prove to me there isn't an invisibla cat in that chair. If I even go sit in the chair, oh! Just jumped away.
 
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I do know that. But I can't seem to get anyone else to believe it, not my family, and each post here often gets the meme image of a guy in a tinfoil hat looking nuts. People really can't see it. How dumbed down has our species become?!

Wizard of Oz syndrome.
Nobody wants to look behind the curtain.
 
No, they won’t.
The challenge I have with the concept of brute forcing everything came from reading "Super Intelligence" by Nick Bostrom. I belive it was even generating every possible 100x100 pixel image (256 color options for each pixel) would take longer than the lifetime of the universe if the universe was all converted to computers. Brute force is extremely limited.
 
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