Windows 11

[Bubble99]

I hope that part of what is included in Win 11 is a more classic UI. The whitespace bloated dialogs and thin-lined fonts are a waste of screen space. I know that a true classic theme is too much to ask for, I'd settle for a Win7-era theme.

Sadly but even internet browsers on desktop are switching over to this mobile look now of more white space, thinker tabs and less buttons to click on saying less features and less buttons is cleaner look than old look with lots of features.

Back in the 90s it was lots of buttons and features and menu bar some times two menu bars.

Now it is the clean look of white space and less buttons being more mobile friendly.

This look like above is too 90s look and are not mobile friendly.

 

[Bubble99]

I'm not disputing that. What I am saying is that windows 7 is a higher risk, pure and simple. as the other member posted about not going down the rabbit hole, I'm done. I've provided source material to show that windows 7 does in fact increase your risk, you've not shown any proof that by and large most/many/some enterprises who are still on windows 7 are paying for extended support.

At this point its beating a dead horse and such I'm done with the whole discussion on windows 7 as I did fall into the rabbit hole.

I think you and him are confusing small and medium businesses vs corporations and enterprise.

And places that have proper security IT departmets.

 

[Bubble99]

Many businesses use Android in Europe too.

Not sure what Android has to do with it. There are many companies out side the US still running windows XP.

And in China, old poor post USSR block and in India there not even legal copies of windows XP.

Windows users have different culture of Apple users that want the best software, OS and hardware every year.

If it is old and works for your work why upgrade is the culture when money does not grow on trees and you have to teach all your workers how to use your new OS.

 

[Axemantitan]

Damn, guys. I didn't intend for my comment to lead to a back-and-forth.

I was just mentioning that my former employer was using some software from the 80s, but that our OS was modern and (at the time) still supported.

I haven't worked for that company for a few years. They might be on Windows 10 by now. I know the IT department was pretty vigorous about IT security.

 

[TopherMan12]

Damn, guys. I didn't intend for my comment to lead to a back-and-forth.

I wasn't you.

 

[Bubble99]

Well, one benefit to the registry is hacking it to totally disable Cortana or Windows Update, so there's that!

Than what does MacOS and Linux use if it does not use registery?

If the registry is so dangerous than what does MacOS and Linux use?

 

[ian87w]

I wonder how many people will still be using Windows 10 once Windows 11 comes around. I know Windows 10 is 6 years old. Though it gone through a bit of changes since 2015. And I got to say will I be upgrading to Windows 11 when it comes out? Of course I will. Would I ever tell anyone to not go with Windows 10 if they don't want Windows 11? No I wouldn't. Why? Cause I feel in my opinion that Windows 10 as of right now is very stable. Is there going to be much im going to miss about windows 10? Likely not. Though I do hope on Windows 11 that I can have the classic look of Windows 10 start menu that just me. With that being said. Lets hope for a good lunch of Windows 11.

I'm still in the opinion that Windows "11" will be just another feature update to Windows 10, meaning it will be available for free to existing Windows 10 users. Microsoft has moved on to a different business model vs the old selling Windows to consumers to upgrade.

Also, currently, Microsoft is still supporting at least 4 versions of Windows 10. Current, and the last three major update versions. At least on the consumer side. So even if people are skipping the Windows "11" feature update, they are still supported with patches etc.

Also, Windows "11" is not an entirely new Windows (unlike 7 to 8). Windows "11" is basically the same Windows 10, with minor tweaks and refreshed skin.

 

[DaveFromCampbelltown]

Than what does MacOS and Linux use if it does not use registery?

If the registry is so dangerous than what does MacOS and Linux use?

Previously answered by maflynn here

 

[iHorseHead]

If you want to run enterprise software or video games, Windows is your only choice right now. Linux/Wine still isn't a perfect solution right now.

How can you be so sure that many companies are actually paying for extended support instead of just updating to Windows 10 for free?

A large majority of Windows 7 computers are not on Microsoft's "extended security updates" program.

You can't prove that the 15.52% of people still using Windows 7 are actually on Microsoft's "extended security updates" program though.

Many companies are even using Windows 7 without any antivirus protection.

How are you going to prove that?

Why is Windows 10 market share rapidly increasing after Windows 7 ended support then? I cannot imagine any companies buying computers that run a vulnerable version of Windows instead of just going with Windows 10.

You cannot be serious, right? Surely you're joking at this point?

Yes, Android is most popular in Europe. We already knew that.

Yeah, agreed. What has this thread even turned into?

No, read the title of this thread. We were talking about Windows 11.

Yet you still can't prove it?

Maflynn has already backed up his claims with evidence. 🤷‍♂️

You want to eat lunch while celebrating the launch of Windows 11?

Jokes aside, I assume the more than 1,000,000,000 Windows 10 users will automatically be updated to Windows 11 when the time comes.

Also, you can currently bring back the classic look of the start menu if you really want to.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1404909886446600196

In its current state, Windows 11 is more like a construction site.
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You wrote too much. I'm not going to argue with you or prove anything.
I said I work in IT Support and I know what computers many of the companies are using. That's enough and I do see the updates they receive. That's enough.

 

[polyphenol]

8 was completely underrated. 8 was actually faster than 7, but people don't like the start screen.

The difference between 8 and 8.1 was itself considerable - close to being a full version.

There were many things that simply did not work in 8.

Faster in a benchmark, quite possibly. Faster under a user's fingers? Very questionable - even if they had a touch-screen.

 

[iHorseHead]

The difference between 8 and 8.1 was itself considerable - close to being a full version.

There were many things that simply did not work in 8.

Faster in a benchmark, quite possibly. Faster under a user's fingers? Very questionable - even if they had a touch-screen.

I remember using 8. I and no one else liked it. Windows 8.1 was ok though.

 

[Steve Adams]

I agree with part of the statement. Faster in benchmarks is pointless. Synthetic usage of speed means nothing compared to how a device is actually used. Take my old dell 2 in 1 as example. It had a 4405u processor. In benchmarking tests you would think it would not be able to open a web browser it was so terrible. However, in real world usage, I could actually edit groups of photos, video, do graphics creation and more. Benchmarking is a joke.

 

[grmlin]

😂

 

[maflynn]

How can you be so sure that many companies are actually paying for extended support instead of just updating to Windows 10 for free?

I posted earlier that paying for extended support in an enterprise makes no sense. Not when Microsoft gave an incredible amount of notices and warnings, and even now in 2021, yet as my screen shot below shows, there's still a lot of windows 7 machines - baffling.

A large majority of Windows 7 computers are not on Microsoft's "extended security updates" program.

Yup, and seeing how much discussions are occurring on how there's so many unpatched systems (regardless of the version of windows) its clear that many businesses, utilities and government entities are failing to protect against hacking. Windows 7 represents a huge security risk - especially since it represents 15% of windows installed base.

or prove anything.

That's because you can't prove anything. You think just because in your small circle of life, things are occurring a certain way that means its the that way for everyone. The bottom line is that windows 7 represents a security risk and so far you're unable to show any evidence that all those machines in the wild are being patched and people are paying for extended support

 

[nickdalzell1]

I hope that part of what is included in Win 11 is a more classic UI. The whitespace bloated dialogs and thin-lined fonts are a waste of screen space. I know that a true classic theme is too much to ask for, I'd settle for a Win7-era theme.

Sadly but even internet browsers on desktop are switching over to this mobile look now of more white space, thinker tabs and less buttons to click on saying less features and less buttons is cleaner look than old look with lots of features.

Back in the 90s it was lots of buttons and features and menu bar some times two menu bars.

Now it is the clean look of white space and less buttons being more mobile friendly.

This look like above is too 90s look and are not mobile friendly.

That's not the 1990s--that was Netscape 9, from like 2005-7?

This would have been the 1990s:

If you watch the Michael MJD Video about the leaked Windows 11 build, it has far more skeuo than I expected--in fact I find it a very nice looking OS. I call the design 'utopian' since it's not 2010s skeuomorphism, but a modern take on it, with depth, and organic looking colors, as well as peaceful sounds.

Windows 11 Leaked - Let's Explore It! (Build 21996.1 Overview & Demo)

Kinda looks Samsung.

 

[AutomaticApple]

I'm still in the opinion that Windows "11" will be just another feature update to Windows 10, meaning it will be available for free to existing Windows 10 users. Microsoft has moved on to a different business model vs the old selling Windows to consumers to upgrade.

Also, currently, Microsoft is still supporting at least 4 versions of Windows 10. Current, and the last three major update versions. At least on the consumer side. So even if people are skipping the Windows "11" feature update, they are still supported with patches etc.

Also, Windows "11" is not an entirely new Windows (unlike 7 to 8). Windows "11" is basically the same Windows 10, with minor tweaks and refreshed skin.

The leaked build is very much unfinished though.

You wrote too much. I'm not going to argue with you or prove anything.
I said I work in IT Support and I know what computers many of the companies are using. That's enough and I do see the updates they receive. That's enough.

Okay, you can't prove it then. No worries... 🤷‍♂️

If you watch the Michael MJD Video about the leaked Windows 11 build, it has far more skeuo than I expected--in fact I find it a very nice looking OS. I call the design 'utopian' since it's not 2010s skeuomorphism, but a modern take on it, with depth, and organic looking colors, as well as peaceful sounds.

Windows 11 Leaked - Let's Explore It! (Build 21996.1 Overview & Demo)

Kinda looks Samsung.

That design language is known as Neumorphism.

Neumorphism in user interfaces

How UI trends reach for inspiration into the real world and what problems do we have to solve to make those trends work.

uxdesign.cc

Neumorphism: The art of shadow and light

What does neumorphism look like in UI design and what can it do for your product? We've got the full run-through for you on this new trend!

www.justinmind.com

 

[Bubble99]

The leaked build is very much unfinished though.

Okay, you can't prove it then. No worries... 🤷‍♂️

That design language is known as Neumorphism.

Neumorphism in user interfaces

How UI trends reach for inspiration into the real world and what problems do we have to solve to make those trends work.

uxdesign.cc

Neumorphism: The art of shadow and light

What does neumorphism look like in UI design and what can it do for your product? We've got the full run-through for you on this new trend!

www.justinmind.com

That is really strange that Apple and Microsoft are going with Neumorphism design now a more mid way to skeuomorphism. But Android is going from flat design to really flat design now.

Well Android 12 is not Neumorphism.

 

[DaveFromCampbelltown]

It is interesting that the Dock UI is now standard in a number of not inconsequential Operating Systems --

• macOS (the Original)
• Elementary OS
• Ubuntu Budgie
• Ubuntu Mate (select on first start up, or later)
• Windows 11

 

[11235813]

It is interesting that the Dock UI is now standard in a number of not inconsequential Operating Systems --

It's because monitors are getting wider and wider. It's hard to reach bottom left corner on a huge wide screen monitor, when your mouse is on the right side. The middle is equally easy to reach from all sides of a wide screen. After so many years, Microsoft finally admits their mistake and puts the icons to their ideal place.

The next mistake to correct will be to make a menu bar and put the clock and tray icons to the top.

You can't beat perfection. You can only admit your mistakes and copy it.

 

[Bubble99]

It is interesting that the Dock UI is now standard in a number of not inconsequential Operating Systems --

• macOS (the Original)
• Elementary OS
• Ubuntu Budgie
• Ubuntu Mate (select on first start up, or later)
• Windows 11

But one of the reason also is because of Android and iOS. Always three or so apps at the bottom.

A Dock makes more sense than a taskbar on a phone or tablet.

A windows 98 or windows XP look would be really hard on a phone or tablet.

Well people get use to iOS, Chrome, Android Dex it is well less of learning curve for all the people using iPhone or Android phone now.

And more OS makers are going that way now, and well Microsoft is making more midway look. I don’t think Microsoft will go all the way to not come across OSX clone. But a looking really close just not a clone.

Even Android Dex and Chrome OS have it so it less of learning curve having a app like icon than a taskbar.


This is less friendly on a phone or tablet.

Sort it be more like taskbar that acts more like Dock.

Even windows 7 started this move. Not a classic taskbar but a taskbar that acts more like a Dock. Windows 11 just moved it to the middle than the left and the start menu displays icons and name now not a list view like before.

Also making the learning curve similar to people use to way Android, Chrome, and more so the iOS that is very popular in the US.

It comes down to really.

A. classic windows 98 and windows XP look
B. OSX/ iOS look
C. midway look that is used in windows 7 and windows 10 and more so in windows 11

D. Windows 8 metro look.

Windows 8 was a major flop so Microsoft does not want to go that way and does not want a pure OSX look so is finding a midway look.

 

[polyphenol]

It's because monitors are getting wider and wider. It's hard to reach bottom left corner on a huge wide screen monitor, when your mouse is on the right side. The middle is equally easy to reach from all sides of a wide screen. After so many years, Microsoft finally admits their mistake and puts the icons to their ideal place.

The next mistake to correct will be to make a menu bar and put the clock and tray icons to the top.

You can't beat perfection. You can only admit your mistakes and copy it.

On a wide screen, I prefer my taskbar or dock on the side - vertically. Unfortunately, when I have done that on Windows, there have been issues - like flyout menus disappearing or not being readily clickable. Currently running MacOS with dock on left of screen and it is working fine - for me.

(This is not some mega-super-wide device just a fairly normal wider-than-used-to-be monitor.)

 

[pi=e=3]

Has there been any changes to text rendering? I can't seem to find an absolute answer on this. I see a new font at the least.

Windows has always been so behind with this, cleartype is horrible on modern high DPI panels. There's always MacType, but it can conflict with programs.

 

[maflynn]

Has there been any changes to text rendering? I can't seem to find an absolute answer on this.

The media event is tomorrow, and we're all basing a lot of what to expect on a leaked unfinished version I'd hold off on any judgements until you can get your hands on the actual beta.

 

[mi7chy]

Doesn't look like any performance difference over Windows 10. Whatever the changes are it had better be worthwhile to get a major 11 release vs 21H2 update to 10. I know it's an early developer/test release but don't expect major kernel level changes at the last minute.

 

[AutomaticApple]

That is really strange that Apple and Microsoft are going with Neumorphism design now a more mid way to skeuomorphism. But Android is going from flat design to really flat design now.

Well Android 12 is not Neumorphism.

Android uses Google's "Material Design" language.

Material Design - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org