If you are not afraid to lose your apps you can "Refresh" your PC. Though I don't remember how that is treated from an Insiders Perspective. @maflynn do you know?
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Windows 11
- Thread starter AutomaticApple
- Start date
-
- Tags
- windows 11 windows11
- Sort by reaction score
Oh I got store back, by doing tons of PowerShell commands (90% of which failed) and now it got the updated store. YAY! I don't know why I had to go through such a rigramorole though.
Odd though it still has the old icon. Newish icon shows when it's open and pinned to taskbar, but Start has the old icon.
Odd though it still has the old icon. Newish icon shows when it's open and pinned to taskbar, but Start has the old icon.
No matter how much things seem to advance, MS won't win over any Mac converts, save for those who are possibly on the fence and/or have gotten burned somehow by the Intel-to-M1 switch. People generally tend to stick with what works for them and that never changes.
As for me, the upgrade won't be a big deal. My gaming laptop is supported, so I'll give it time and let the kinks get worked out.
Both machines my better half uses though, are not. The desktop is a homebuilt rig with a Core i7-920 I put together back in 09-10. Her laptop is an Asus with a i3-5010U. (PC Health Check said the former was a no-go because of the lack of SecureBoot and the latter because of the CPU).
Hopefully as the release date gets closer, specs and other information become more reliable and that'll make it easier to plot out an upgrade path.
As for me, the upgrade won't be a big deal. My gaming laptop is supported, so I'll give it time and let the kinks get worked out.
Both machines my better half uses though, are not. The desktop is a homebuilt rig with a Core i7-920 I put together back in 09-10. Her laptop is an Asus with a i3-5010U. (PC Health Check said the former was a no-go because of the lack of SecureBoot and the latter because of the CPU).
Hopefully as the release date gets closer, specs and other information become more reliable and that'll make it easier to plot out an upgrade path.
I don't think that this focus is to try to steal marketshare from Apple. They've moved on from the mentality of I win, by you losing.
Plus with only 10% (or there abouts) of marketshare MS has probably more important segments of their business to address that would gain from windows 11. I consider the GamePass and integration of the xbox app. I see MS's focus to be more towards the gaming community and home market where they can further promote their subscription services.
Finally more consistent OLED friendly dark theme but need to tweak the colors. Still getting used to the new UI changes. Found the new elusive quick settings menu to change display brightness. It's now under speaker from task bar. Feels a little more snappy too.
Windows 11 might support Intel 7th generation processors and 1st generation Ryzen processors after all.
Update on Windows 11 minimum system requirements
Windows Insiders, Today we’re releasing our first Insider build for Windows 11, and we’re looking forward to the insight that comes from you installing and using on a variety of your PCs. Last week’s
blogs.windows.com
I hope they work on those window titles for the release version… and the blue in the title bars… is this the win11 default theme in dark mode?
They're the built-in ugly contrast themes but customizable.
I just want the default with dark UI elements. Will try customizing colors or maybe Penumbra theme will get updated for 11.
Yes, definitely. Windows has some 90% market share of the operating system market. Microsoft is probably not concerned about the 10% market share held by Apple in desktop operating systems.
Keep in mind this number is calculated from a tracker that websites use to see what operating system is hitting their site. It's a good indication of web traffic - that being said, there's many many many more Windows devices out there that aren't ever going to encounter those websites (Servers, intranet devices, embedded devices and similar, and so on), which is what contributes to Windows having a higher deployment number.
But yes, the Mac has been growing for years. It's great to see.
Its safe to say its in the 9 to 15% percent.
NetMarketShare is reporting macOS in the 8 percent mark
I'm sure there's so many different ways to estimate the market share, but it seems world wide, its being reported to be less then 15%
I wonder if they fixed the theme problem? With windows 10 if you set say a dark theme it would be dark in lot of places but some places have no dark theme.
What they need to do is add in a way to theme it light/dark automatically since that's what Macs could do since Catalina.
It should be difficult to get an exact figure.
According to this website (https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-200901-202105), Windows market share declined from 95.42% to 73.54% worldwide over the course of 12.5 years. During the same period, macOS grew from 3.68% to 15.87%.
I am not sure how reliable these figures are, but they show that macOS gained market share at the expense of Windows, although during a considerable period of time. I suppose there is not too much market share to be gained, though, as Macs do not compete in the lower end of the PC market.
I am seeing a trending for a few years now that there is indeed a decline in the Windows market and a shift towards ChromeOS and macOS.
ChromeOS really took off in 2020 thanks to the pandemic and so the stats reflect that! The adoption trend was there, but was accelerated when schools went online and that the other appeal of ChromeOS is that it also runs Android apps and at a much lower entry cost.
I still think Windows should command roughly 70% of the market share with ChromeOS and macOS sharing roughly equal remainder of the market share moving forward, but I don't think macOS would increase its market share further because of the entry cost, which is higher than either ChromeOS and Windows for low-end machines and serves a particular niche market. If Intel and AMD are able to introduce the ARM offering to compete with Apple which I foresee they would in the future, then Windows would still be able to maintain its dominant market lead due to its well established roots in many industries that depend on Windows.
ChromeOS really took off in 2020 thanks to the pandemic and so the stats reflect that! The adoption trend was there, but was accelerated when schools went online and that the other appeal of ChromeOS is that it also runs Android apps and at a much lower entry cost.
I still think Windows should command roughly 70% of the market share with ChromeOS and macOS sharing roughly equal remainder of the market share moving forward, but I don't think macOS would increase its market share further because of the entry cost, which is higher than either ChromeOS and Windows for low-end machines and serves a particular niche market. If Intel and AMD are able to introduce the ARM offering to compete with Apple which I foresee they would in the future, then Windows would still be able to maintain its dominant market lead due to its well established roots in many industries that depend on Windows.
Last edited:
Yes, it seems that many people bought a Chromebook. A Chromebook is fast and responsive even at a low price, but it is limited. A Mac can do pretty much anything, but it is expensive. Windows is still the logical choice for many people buying a computer, as it offers plenty of features at any cost.
Jobs always believed these should be separate devices. He probably was right. A tablet comes with a battery most likely detached from the power grid. It is touched. Laptops often are plugged in and are mouse driven. It makes no sense using the same OS. The battery will also benefit if the OS is less demanding. You want that autonomy on a tablet.
As for the ghost town known as Windows Store MS blew it. They had the greatest OS market share. Devs didn't find it interesting enough to develop native apps. I read some actually tried to but MS worn them down. Same story for Windows Phone apps. Yes, MS could have had a coherent ecosystem.
They're left with chaos. Ms claims their Surface devices are tablets. If they were that good a solution devs would serve laptop and tablet with 1 coding effort on the unified OS. Consumers and devs think otherwise. So now MS desperately tries to integrate android apps while MS has it own tablets running its own OS. Windows Phone? Over and out.
As usual Steve nailed it.
Last edited:
The rise of Chrome OS probably bothers Microsoft more than macOS. I think it should bother Apple as well. Google rarely does something right and this is one rare example. Those devices are cheap and they cover 95% of what a Joe Normie wants from a computer. Apple should ship a cheap iPad + keyboard + trackpad combo to fight with it.
Well it different philosophy.
People who buy an iPad use it like a tablet not a laptop. It is very touch friendly and has lots of apps to choose from and good quality apps.
People who buy windows surface tablet and try to use has a tablet not a laptop the touch is not as user friendly and the apps are garbage. So people just use as laptop not a tablet.
Well despite Microsoft pushing only one OS for touch and desktop. They failed with windows 8 and failed with windows 10.
But windows 11 at least in the demo videos look like they may have pulled it of. Well when it comes out some time this fall we will have to see how touch friendly it is or not.
Steve Job was probably basing it on the fail of windows 8 and probably had software engineers in the lab experimenting with one OS and could not pull it of. Well Microsoft software engineers seem to thing they can pull it of with one OS.
But Tim Cook now has got the iPad so of the road now it is having problem of what is it and is it iPad. The iPad got a keyboard, mouse support now, pro apps, M1 that is faster than many i7 and i9 CPU from the Intel and a stand to use the iPad like laptop at the desk. And people are saying the hardware is way ahead of the limitation of the software and OS.
Steve Jobs would not approve of the keyboard, mouse support, M1 chip and pro iPad. Apple is walking down the same path now as Microsoft but stuck some where in the middle.
Now we have people complaining of the lack of pro software not semi pro software, desktop apps and limitation of iPadOS and mobile apps the apps not as good as the desktop version. With hardware way ahead of many i7 and i9 CPU from the Intel and 16GB of RAM. That the software and OS is holding it back.
So I don’t know what Apple is going to do now. Well every year Apple adding more and more things what Microsoft would do.
Last edited:
Android has very low market share in the US. So I don’t know where you are going with this.
The Android CPU and GPU are like 5 years behind Apple so it not a problem.
ChromeOS is coming in very hot.
Chromebooks dominate the global PC market to 275% growth, with HP leading the charge
The Chromebook market hits new heights, in response partially to the pandemic, with cheap laptops dominating with a whopping 275% growth.
9to5google.com
I agree that Apple is way ahead in many regards but most people don't need the best. They want to buy a cheap device that does what they want, so they get a Chromebook and get locked into Google's ecosystem.